Alright... well, my last name clearly is not Irish (it's Italian, it means little bean in the Sicilian dialect of the Italian language), but I'm essentially half-Irish. My father's father was Sicilian (and had some shady ties to certain Sicilian organizations), and his wife was Dutch. However, my mother's side is Irish. My grandfather (again, mother's side) was as Irish as you could get, and his wife was irish-blooded (although, by technicality, scotch-irish. She had pure Irish blood, but her parents were born in Scotland) So... what I'm asking is... would you consider me an Irishman, or just some crazy amalgamation of ethnicities?
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I am from Liverpool and my parents are Irish. I have always considered myself Irish - in the second hand sense - but when I came to live here three years ago I soon discovered that most Irish people do not.
The thing with Ireland is you have to live here to truly understand how the culture works. It is a very sophisticated one and the diddlee dee stereotype of magic and whatnot has a sound factual basis if you know the full sweep of history. But to understand it takes a fair bit of reading, as it begins with the invasion myths and one can see that the culture evolved pretty much unbroken or influenced by external forces, up till the time of Cromwell. They say the Brits have been here for 800 years, but this isn't accurate - in my opinion - as the Normans who first came here came in small numbers and became the main men without any real opposition. A bit like a multinational sending over a few head honchos, who then intermarried and became "more Irish than the Irish" within three generations. P[lus the Normans were really Scandinavians who had conquered North France and gone to England, so weren't British in the sense we understand it to be now.
They ran the country pretty much how it had always been, adopting Brehon law and following tradition and it wasn't till the Tudors gained control of power in England and turned their attention to sorting out the Irish lords that real trouble came.
Everyone wants to be Irish because it is a land where you can suspend your disbelief and buy into magic and fantasy. When I am in a pub in centtral Dublin I see English people over for a few days who drop their social shields and talk to people they wouldn't do so in England, basically because the palce demands you have to be yourself or be miserable. When people talk baout the "craic", what it really means is the "genuine" thing.
And the gaurantee of Irishness is the accent. No one can come here and put on a fake Irish accent which would fool the natives, but the Irish can go anywhere and mimic the natives and fool them. These things go well deep and as I am downloading the paris hilton porno video, I must leave now to have a gander at her and Rick getting jiggy, rather than spout bollocks here.
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He wouldn't be Irish...he could consider himself an Italian-American, Dutch-American or Irish-American, seeing as how he would be 50% Irish, 25% Italian & 25% Dutch.
Bezza, just don't tell Irish-Americans from New York or Boston that they're not Irish you might not walk outta the pub in one piece.
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...BY ANY IRISH BORN IN OR FROM THE OTHER SIDE = IRELAND NOOOO! YOU RE A NARROW BACK EVEN IF YOU RE FULL IRISH ON BOTH SIDES. BY OTHERS IT S WHERE THE HOOD IS IF ITS AN IRISH NEIGHBORHOOD PROB NOT, IF IT S MIXED IF YOUR NAME IS IRISH THEN YEA!
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I think it would make you a mutt. My parents are from Ireland. I married a woman who's parents are also from Ireland. We were both born here. We consider ourselves Irish-Americans and our sons the same.
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I consider myself Irish, i was born in england, my parents are irish and i live in australia. However i have literally hundreds of cousins and aunts and uncles living in ireland and we always go back and visit. I love ireland.
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Why would you want to be considered Irish? Ever even been to Ireland? Why does every othe American and his dog want to be Irish these days? What's wrong with just being "just American."
We've got some strange cousins over the pond.
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my feeling is that you should look it to history for all your ancestry.
you should be proud to be part of have a crazy amalgamation of ethnicities and hopefully be able to understand how other people view the world.
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"We've got some strange cousins over the pond"
by Rhisiart
is the reason people consider americans to be ignorant fucks
unfortunatly americans with crazy amalgamation of ethnicities get stuck with that mud
cause americans with your history of people should be able to see people for what they really are.
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To be Irish you have to be born in Ireland or have Irish parents, as someone pointed out before. So many Americans claim to be Irish because their ex-wife's second cousin's friend's dog's former owner was Irish. It's utter crap. I'm Irish. I live in Ireland, I've lived here all my life. My parents are Irish, I have an Irish surname and I speak the Irish language fluently. THAT is Irish. Having a Shamrock tattoo and a bastardised name like "Shaymus" or "O'Toole" does not make you Irish.
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I'd consider him Irish, just not full Irish. After all, he DOES have some amount of Irish blood in his genes.
Both sides of my family root back to Ireland, but there's also a small amount of German and English mixed in. I still consider myself mostly Irish because that's what my ancestry consists of.
In the states there are many genes combined, but they all originated from somewhere obviously.
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David, what you must also remember is that many Irish neighbourhoods in the US like Southie in Boston or Hells Kitchen in New York are very proud of their Irishness because although many of them are third or fourth generation Irish, these neighbourhoods are so insular that many Irish blood lines were never broken because Irish families married into other Irish families the same as people do in Ireland. The only difference was that they were doing it in America. Do you understand my point?
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Just like the Italians, the Irish are the same way, you can't tell a proud Irish-American that he is not Irish just because he was born in America...it doesn't work. I'm three-quarters Irish and the last quarter is German, so yes I consider myself an Irish-American...but...like my friend JohnnieUpahts whos is full blooded Irish-American with three grandparents fresh off of the boat, you can not tell either of us that we are not Irish, were as my two younger sisters do not care if they're Irish, Italian, German, whatever...I have never seen any girls get angry when you say "You're not Irish, you're American" or whatever nationality they may be. But when it comes to males it is much different me and probably 95% of my friends are half Irish or more(the least are my friends Gary and Adam who are half Irish and half Scottish(Adam) and half Irish and half Hungarian(Gary)) everyone else is mainly three-quarters, seven-eighths or full blooded...you can't tell one of us that we are not Irish face to face because we all take it as an insult...just like one of my friends Marc who is full-blooded Sicilian, you can't tell him that he is not Sicilian, and to him it's an even further insult being called an "Italian-American" because Sicilians do not usually view themselves as Italian but as Sicilians. I know it may seem strange to people in Ireland, England, France, Italy, etc. to here someone from the U.S. saying oh I'm Irish, I'm English, I'm French, I'm Italian, etc. but that's just how it is in America, you remember where your family came from...it's about being proud of your heritage.
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I was born and bred in London England,at the moment I live in Canada,both my parents were Irish,I hold an Irish passport.
In my opinion to be Irish you have to be an anti-monarchist-that is a republican,the amount or purity of your Irish blood is irrelevent,Wolf Tone and Patrick Pierce and James Connelly were only part Irish by blood.
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I was born and bred in London England,at the moment I live in Canada,both my parents were Irish,I hold an Irish passport.
In my opinion to be Irish you have to be an anti-monarchist-that is a republican,the amount or purity of your Irish blood is irrelevent,Wolf Tone and Patrick Pierce and James Connelly were only part Irish by blood.
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sure call yourself what you want, doesn't mean anything to anyone but you.
Just the act of asking shows that your neither Italian or Irish and this type of question usually results in having you're ass beat.
Having a tan don't make black
Having your cock chopped off don't make you a girl.
and because your cailleach of a mother tipped a few to many pints back and spond you via bualadh craicinn a guinie doesn't make you any less Irish. If any thing it shows just how Irish American you are.
For 800 years the last thing anyone was worried about was if they had enough Irish blood in them. If you don't know if your Irish or not you're just a WASP and nothing is going to change that.
As the old joke goes:
They guy in the bar ask the girl if she has any Irish in her.
The girl reply's no.
They guy ask, would you like some!
Téigh trasna ort féin
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i am very proud to be of irish blood,and my grandparents came to new york...you say that i cant consider mysyelf irish? we are a bloodline,its not a tan or your accent!
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As long as you can trace some irish ancestry, i reckn you can claim to b irish... every1s so touchy about their national identity.. I think its a good thing for people to be proud of where they come from, even if it is just ancestory.
péineas!!!! HAHAH
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I'm an Irish-American... I was not born in or around Ireland... I have never been there, but I want to go there, and in some peoples eyes that don't count. Well I could care less what yinz think. But as an Irish-American, we ALL need to stick together regardless... Why are people from Ireland being picky bout some stuff like that? Saying if your not from Ireland then your not Irish... That’s not right, everyone from Ireland should be happy as a pig in mud to have this amount of people here who will support there heritage. A lot of people lose sight of there heritage nowadays. That’s like me saying if you moved from Ireland to America (legally) that you’re not an American. We all need to stick together... Irish supports Irish and if you don't believe that then I have to ask... Are you really Irish then?
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