Was a bit weary bout bringing this to the forum cos anyone of Irish blood in
England knows the link between far right neo nazi groups and Loyalist organisations. But apparently the AB(or Brand) started out as an exclusively Irish-American organisation. Over the years the organisation has evolved and gone on to receive white members from various backgrounds and even some of mixed race and is probably a totally different organisation today than the one that started out in San Quentin in 1964. But they still use alot of Celtic symbology and members are very commonly seen with Shamrock tatoos. It is a major symbol of the brand. I think it also hasto be remembered that the Brand did not necessarily start out as a racist organisation but more of a brotherhood of survival in America's most nororious prisons where everything is drawn along racial lines whether a comfortable reality on the outside or not.
They have gone on to become one of the most notoriously dangerous organisationsin the history of crime. John Gotti paid the organisation $50,000 dollars a year for protection and when he decided he could go it alone suffered a brutal beating. He was soon paying up again. This also makes a mockery of scenes in the Sopranos where one glare from a wiseguy and everyone zips up when told or gets off the phone out of fear. As a London Irishman I must admit to being surprised at the mixture of nazi and Celtic imagery used by the organisation and wondered if anyone could shed more light on this issue. Maybe a post like this doesn't belong here but purely from a historical context I thought it might be worth a look into.
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The Gotti tale is one of dozens of examples of AB's vicious domination of the federal prison system, according to prosecutor Michael Emmick. He says the gang, which began in San Quentin State Prison in the 1960s in response to the Black Panthers, is a small but ruthlessly efficient killing machine and extortion-gambling-drug operation that can reach at will into the free population. For monikers, they use the swastika, 666 (the biblical sign of the beast) and the shamrock—because original members were exclusively Irish Americans.
Here's a brief excerpt from an article. http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-03-23/news/monster-s-ball/http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-03-23/news/monster-s-ball/
I got the link from the AB wikipedia article.
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I've dealt with AB members, so I'm pretty well versed in this shit.
Here's the straight dope:
AB picked the shamrock as a mockery. As you know, the 'rock represents the Holy Trinity and St. Patrick used it as a guide to teach the Druids.
So since it's a holy symbol, they "branded" themselves with it as an affront to those who abide by the Trinity. AB prides themselves as stone cold killers. That's why some of the 'rock tats also sport the 666 within it.
It has nothing to do with Irish pride and the founding members of the gang (aka the Blue Bird Gang) weren't all Irish. Matter of fact, California back in the 60s didn't have a whole lot of Irish Catholics behind bars. That would have been more of an east coast predominance.
If you want to read a kick ass book about AB, check out The Hot House.
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I can understand the Shamrock evolving to become a symbol of mockery in todays
AB but even if the founding members weren't exclusively Irish, they were predominantly, and many do associate the Celtic iconagraphy(rightly or wrongly) with the fact that the founding members were mainly Irish Americans. I know Irish pride has little relevance for the AB today but the founding members of one of the most vicious, dangerous and notorious organised crime groups of all time were mostly Irish-American. Many of the older members also formed the gang for vastly different reasons to the ones which represent today's AB and there are many different explanations given for their use of Celtic symbology but some older members do state the Irish American roots of the gang are of some relevance.
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If that's what you want to believe, fine, I'm not going to argue. I've spoken to founding members who are now in their upper years and this is the info I have garnered.
Consider this though, the amount of Irish-Americans who settled in the Calif. area back in the 60's and before was very small. Most of the whites in Cali were either Proties or Mormoms.
Also, the AB was never about pride, remember this is a PRISON gang and these are hardened cons. They have no pride for themselves, let alone a group of people. They are all about power and money. That's what's it's all about in prison.
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I'm under no illusions about what the harsh realities of prison life or about the ruthless nature of the gang. I have friends inside and spent some time inside myself before I made the choice to turn my life round. I believe what you've told
me and I wasn't trying to question what you were saying. I just thought that maybe
the Irish thing was something that bonded gang members in their early days. Many articles on the web seem to indicate this though I realise how often the Irish thing can be overplayed. Thanks for your help. I do actually own a copy of the hot hpuse(about Leavenworth). Haven't read it yet but I know they mention a Westie was held their and logged as a severe security risk. Doesn't say which one though. I'll look forward to reading it all when I get the time. I do also relise West coast regions are not historically as Irish as East Coast ones like New York and Philly.
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Amazingly, there is actually an Irish gang still very active in the California region today. The Family Affiliated Irish Mafia are an organisation with a membership of around 50 or 60 and are said to have close ties with the Aryan Brotherhood. I know very little else about this gang other than the fact that they
appear to be involved in drug distribution as well as other more serious crimes such as robbery and homicide. Formed in San Francisco County in the 1990's, they don't appear to be an organisation close to the scale of the AB they are said to have ties to, nonetheless they are said to be an organisation that has carried out shootings, commited homicides and is growing in strength. There are a few articles about them on the web, here's a link to one.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/15171204/detail.html
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Maybe he's half irish, half Italian and the rules of FAIM are pretty relaxed about recruits as long as they have some Irish in them. How the fuck should I know? It wouldn't exactly be the first time there was a non Irisman in an Irish mob would it? You wanna know more about their initiation processes or who they do or don't let in the gang go to San Franscisco County or wherever the fuck and ask them. Maybe the name of the gang is a nod of respect to the perceived Irish roots of the Aryan Brotherhood. Hence the 'Family Affiliated' part of the name. Truth is, I'm pissing in the wind as I'm not from California (even though I do have one first generation Irish cousin over there, as in talks with an Irish accent Irish). So there is at least one Irishman in that part of the world. Here's a clip(one of many) which indicates the AB was formed by the offshoots of the Irish(or mostly Irish) Bluebird biker gang.
Over the years, the AB has moved away from the Neo-Nazi philosophy, with group members identifying more with Irish ancestry and Norse/Viking symbolism
1964: The Aryan Brotherhood was founded in California's San Quentin maximum-security prison. Irish bikers formed the Brotherhood to fight against the Black Guerrilla Family. It is rumored that the AB sprung from a 1950s gang known as the Bluebirds.
From The Forum Owner: Happy for people to discuss the AB on here but please NO RACIST POSTERS! YOU'RE NOT WELCOME ON HERE! DO NOT USE THIS FORUM TO POST YOUR RACIST AND BIGOTED BILE!
Many of these white Americans in these racist gangs claiming to be Irish are in fact decendants of WASPs (white Anglo Saxon Protestants) or Ulster Scots - Scottish protestants given Irish land by the English! They've watched The Departed and heard The Dropkick Murphys a few times and now they want to be Irish! They are not and should stop hijacking our culture and heritage!
Thank You
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Hey, fuck off I'm a racist, never have been. I'm certainly no supporter of any racist organisation either, whether they see themselves as Irish or not. All I wanted to do was take a look at the early history of the AB and try and find out more about the Bluebird biker gang. I have no sympathy for the AB or any of it's affiliated organisations. However I do have sympathy for prisoners of all races and creeds who are forced into these type of gangs just to survive in these brutal institutions. Reading Mr. Blue by Edward Bunker(who had friends in all prison gangs) really opened my eyes to a brutality of an institution that used to tie weights to teenage kids as punishment. In Mr. Blue Edward Bunker describes many early members of the gang as people who weren't racist. In my view the instituitions where these gangs thrive are as much to blame as the gangs themselves. It is a fact that many friendships between prisoners have to be forgotten when in prisons like San Quentin because of politics which are drawn across racial lines. It's not nice no, but it's a fact. Not everything in life fits squarely into a nice little box and all I was trying to do was probe into the origins of the AB and look into the link with the Bluebird boker gang. Does this make me happy? No? But do I feel it's at least worth looking into?Yes. I'm not afraid to ask difficult questions and thought this was a place I could do that in an adult way. Obviously I was wrong. I think your bang out of order calling me a racist Irish Hood. You don't fucking know me. I've never been
called a racist before. Anyone who thinks that can fuck right off.
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This site features mobsters who killed and reigned with brutality and viciousness. They wouldn't have thrived otherwise. So why get all pious when I try
to probe into the AB. All the articles I linked to were either newsites, California Gang studies or anti-racist sites. I thought the fact that there was actually a gang called the FAMI which had links to the AB something of interest. Yeah, they probably are a bunch of wankers, so what.They were formed way before the Dropkick Murphys or the Departed though so let's deal in facts. Maybe the fact that I've just read a book that goes deep into the complex and harsh realities of California prison life has made me complacent about how I've articulated my posts here. If so I apologise. I just wanna know the full story before I pronounce myself Judge, jury and executioner. Many of these so called monsters from the Crips, Mexican Mafia and AB were dragged up in a sickenenly brutal system. And I'm not the kind of bloke who'll judge a man without walking a mile in his shoes. I'm no apologist for racism. I thought I made that clear. But I'm not afraid to delve deeper into these issues and read between the lines. I'm also confident enough in my heritage not to give two fucks if racist pricks wanna call themselves Irish or not. To those that are that insecure, grow up and get over yerself.
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Hey Matt I wasn't calling anyone on this thread racist! I definetly wasn't calling you racist at all!
I posted that warning incase this site became infested now with racist bigots thinking it was a pro-nazi site! Like I said I'm more than happy for the likes of yourself or anyone else to discuss the AB but that warning was aimed at any nazi's who may stumble across this thread and start posting their shit on here!
You've completely misunderstood my post! It was in no way, shape or form aimed at you!
Jesus Christ!!!!
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I remember fighting with fuckers like C18 alongside Jews,Jamaicans, Greeks, Turks, Irish and English when they tried to march through Tottenham in the late 90's so I apologise if I've taken your warning the wrong way. I understand as forum owner you have certain responsibilities and I respect that. As I've said before I'm probably guilty of been complacent as a result from just having read a book that was looking at this subject from a brutally frank context. Of course I understand the added insult of the Irish name being associated with these idiots but I felt I was having to justify my reasons for looking into the gang and probably got over defensive. Having thought about it I think probably West Beaurau's explanation that all symbology used by these kind of
people is an insult rings most true. I can now understand where your coming from and unless anyone can add any relevant info I'd rather leave this subject alone. I haven't trod carefully enough and to be honest I'm sick of seeing Aryan Brotherhood at the top of the posts pile. I'll certainly be glad to see the back of this thread.
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Can you expand upon your thoughts on the Calif. State Prison system?
Are you aware that these prisons are separated by 4 levels?
1, 2, 3 and 4. Level 1 houses the least violent inmates and Level 4 houses the worst. How you are housed in what level is determined on your prior jail/prison behavior, your propensity for violence, gang status and the conviction which brought you to prison.
Irish Hood,
Do you plan on touring on the west coast as well?
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Of course I realise there is a system of categorisation. But you can't seriously claim that many prisoners are not placed in institutions that are well out of their depth and that many prisoners were not turned into killers by the system. The proof is in the pudding. You treat people like animals they'll behave like animals. The history of San Quentin is testament to that. Your likely to take a partisan view on this and that's fair enough. But remember this. All white juries are much more likely to vote for the death penalty for a black man than a jury of his peers. What does that tell you? It tells you that the further removed you are from the realities that forces people down the roads that lead them to places like San Quentin the less empathy you're gonna have for them. To you, any criminal is the enemy, the scumbag you have to deal with on a day to day basis. Same for Jail guards, probably more so. But unless you solve the widening inequalities in society, you will never solve this problem. You wanna keep this thread going, fair enough, but you've gotta open up and let me know where your coming from. I'm airing alot of views and am the only one being scrutinised here.
I'm anti-Death penalty, believe in social justice and rehabilitation. Areas with the highest rates for the death penalty are also the areas in the world with the highest murder rates. As I've said, the proof is in the pudding.The system doesn't work.
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Matt, the AB was a topic I was planning to post here for discussion in the near future so I'm glad you've started the ball rolling! Once again the warning I posted was not aimed at any posters on this thread or indeed on this site. Many white racist gangs in the US are trying to hijack Irish culture and symbols and use them to promote their crap so it was for any of those who may come on here in the future and joined in this discussion. They are even recruiting Irish American Catholics from cities such as Baltimore! This is a dangerous trend and I'd rather they stayed well clear of this site.
No hard feelings at all. We just got our wires crossed mate!
West Bureau, no unfortunatly we won't be doing the West Coast this March. We will be in New York and Boston mainly for the Saint Patrick's Day/month celebrations.
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I've looked into this subject again and though I'm pretty certain now that the origins or perceived Irish origins of the AB are irrelevant as far as any shamrock
or any other symbology/iconography used by the AB is concerned there does seem to be a great deal of disinformation out there. And I'm beginning to wonder whether the wrongly perceived historical link between the brand's early Irish membership and the shamrock symbology is partly responsible for the creation of a myth displayed by some that wrongly associates the Irish with racism. Especially if their only knowledge of Ireland, as Irish Hood has said, comes from Dropkick Murphy's, the Departed and wikipedia aricles that overplay the Irish origins of the AB. With the forming of the FAMI it seems that groups like the AB will do nothing to dampen the misguided enthusiasm of these kind of groups, and why would they when they're willing to serve them and do pretty much anything to prove their worth to them. Another explanation could be, that whether the early membership from the bluebird biker gang were Irish or not, it could be the link with the biker gang that has more importance as even today the AB has many links to biker gangs, and indeed, in many ways carries itself in a very Outlaw Biker Gang kind of way. All this is speculation of course, but the associated Irish link to the AB is one that needs to be put into a better context because there is alot of misleading information out there. I would still be very interested in anyone though, who has information on the bluebird biker gang as this could help put the history of the AB into a more accurate context. Also, did all members of the Bluebird biker gang get swallowed up or formed into the AB, or did any form alliances, become Hell's Angels or join any other outlaw biker gangs?
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Jeez, you really won't give up this AB/Irish stuff.
Here's the straight dope you won't find in Snopes or Wikipedia.
All of the shit out there is just tidbits of info that was garnered from strands of other tidbits.
The 'Net shrapnel of bullshit is everywhere and the morons who take these reference sites as gospel are even worse.
The Bluebird Gang was maybe 10-20 guys at best. They were just a bunch of dudes who got rolled up and ended up in the same joint when Quentin was the biggest show in town. They are long gone and were never patched over into the HA.
Hell, if you ask active AB guys today what the history of their crew is you'd get 20 different answers.
The Irish angle and AB is nothing. They used the 'rock as a symbol to show how they were against Christian morals and as a shock to the conscience. It's anti-eastablishment.
Cali cons that were part Irish were mostly Proties anyway. The Catholic Irish dominated the Northeast, not the west coast.
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In case you hadn't noticed, this is an organised crime forum, and all I was trying to do was gain a more accurate picture of the bluebird biker gang and the foudations of the AB. If there is alot of duff info out there and racist groups tainting my country with this crap then surely it would be better to gain a more accurate picture. Your esteemed colleagues at the F.B.I spent years trying to sweep OC under the carpet and look how far it got you. You keep contradicting yourself. On the one hand you're the uppermost authority on this subject and know the inner workings of the AB like the back of your hand, and on the other you readily admit that you could get about 20 different answers for the same question. You can't have it both ways. I'd wager I know a hell of alot more about Ireland, Northern Ireland and London than you but I wouldn't sneer if someone was looking for info on a subject I could help them out on. I'm not that bothered whether I get answers on this subject but I would be interested to hear a more accurate picture, and as it's obvious you're more interested in carrying out some stupid, bug up your arse vendetta against me than providing anything else than vague bullshit then as far as I'm concerned you can do one. Here's the straight dope, Bin Laden? Still haven't found him yet, have we?, Whitey? Nowhere to be seen. Maybe if you spent more time getting your dope straight instead of smoking it you'd be further down the road in actually catching these guys and doing the job the US taxpayer pays you shitloads of taxdollars for. Now why don't you stick that into one of your precious F.B.I files and stick it where the sun don't shine, Mr East Coast/West Coast, Biggie/Tupac law enforcement officer.
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Hilarious!!! How predictable that with a little coaxing this ignorant prick shows his true colours and the mentality of a retarded schoolkid. Dickless Tracy???? What, are you five yrs old? Pathetic.
If the capture of Bin Laden and Whitey is so irrelevant then why are they numbers 1 & 2 rspectively in your much heralded F.B.I most wanted list. Take them off if they're so irrelevant. We could also sum everything else in life up in one paragraph, simplify everything to a juvenile level, and that will make it go away, won't it. Cept in the real world it doesn't work like that. We could do it your way and judge people not by how dangerous they are but by how high their IQ is. Cos in your world no one with an IQ of under 156 has ever been a threat or killed anyone, have they. Better still, let's hand the whole forum over to you from now on, and let us check with Mr. Police officer before discussing anything cos only Mr Police officer knows what's good for us. Just cos you have a badge, it doesn't give you a God given right to set the agenda for the rest of us. We don't live in a police state, not yet anyway.
And as for the Paddy remark, please!!!!!!! Do me a favour!!!Heard it all before from you ignorant fuckers. My family grew up in a part of the world where cowardly police would hassle Irish (mostly when they were on their own, these are brave men remember) non stop and dish out beatings for no good reason to often the most placid, non-violent, hardworking people you could meet so your ramblings are nothing new, believe me. This is one area you people excel in, I'll give you that, hassling innocent people for no good reason. You have that down to an art form. Catching the people on that precious list of yours is where things appear to get a llittle sketchier.
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The trouble is there are very little facts in what you're saying, just a load of conjecture, hearsay, opinion and hot air. The news that Whitey no longer reigns supreme in South Boston is hardly the world's biggest newsflash but your crude assumption that Bin Laden, Al Queada, the Taliban and other assorted like minded groups have been quashed to a minimum threat level shows an astounding amount of ignorance of even the most basic facts of the conflict in Afghanistan, the surrounding regions and the knock on effects felt most recently in Pakistan. The fact that you fail to grasp any grip on reality surrounding this issue would be extremely disturbing coming from any law enforcement officer, let alone an officer of the intelligence services. All bullshit aside for a moment, let me explain something and give YOU the FACTS. There would be no offical of the United States States intelligence, or any in the Western world,be it F.B.I or any other intelligence agency, that would agree with your blase synopsis that the conflict against Afghanistan, the Taliban, Bin Laden and his cronies is anywhere near complete. In fact, US intelligence experts readily admit that the search for Bin Laden was a botch job of epic proportions, with miscommunication, language barriers and bad intelligence leading to large amounts od money being handed over to any old Herbert with a camel and a bullshit lead. \Let's be clear, the Taliban have control of the mountainous region between Pakistan and Afghanistan which in turn means they make large amounts of money through Heroin trafficking which in turn leads to a multi million pound drugs trade and abundance of funding for arms and weaponry. This should be all basic knowledge for any member of the F.B.I.or any other agency that deals with terrorism on a global scale. Only the other day your President stated that Afghanistan would be a major challenge for years to come. These, Nobby, are the facts. Now if there's any other way I can help you to know your own job better, don't hesitate to ask, Mr.Police officer.
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You must be some kind of half-arsed journalist or a shut-in university wanker. You definitely don't have real world experience.
The major players that actually took part in the 9/11 attacks are either dead or in jail. Besides OBL and a few other minor participants, they are all defunct.
AQ only had 250 confirmed players. The hajis in Iraq and Afghanistan are just tag-a-long extremists who have never even met an actually AQ operative.
But when the US kicked the hornet's nest over in these countries, it brought about swarms of hornet wannabes and the call to Jihad rang through every Muslim 'hood in the world.
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Haven't lived the real world ay, that old fur coat desperados always revert to when anyone opposes their ignorant views. You don't need to be a journalist or shut in journalist to realise that your puerile ramblings have no basis in fact whatsoever. There is nothing I have stated that any member of your Government, or politician, be it Democrat, Republic or anyone with half a brain would disagree with. Let me put this in simple terms, terms that even someone who feels the need to simplify all the problems of the world to a juvenile level may understand. The U.S Government went to war with Afghanistan to fight the Taliban, partly because they were shielding AQ yes, but nonetheless there is very little distinction between the beliefs of the Taliban, Mujahadeen and the many goals they share with Alqueda. Alqueda is largely a name anyway for a collection of groups and tribes who want rid of the prescence of US and British troops not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also in Saudi Arabia. In fact, it was actually this prescence in Saudi Arabia that activated Bin Laden politically. The actual number of Alqueda operatives can only be guessed at by intelligence services, but they're pretty much irrelevant anyway seeing as the main reason for the war in Afghanistan is to defeat the Taliban as well as the ideology behind extremist forms of Islam. Let's take your logic to another scenario for instance. A large group of 250 crack dealers are locked up. In your world this means the war on drugs is over. Only it's not cos there are many more willing to step into their shoes, mainly because the root causes of hopelessness, depravation and communities where drugs and violence thrive remain. Likewise, no matter how much you simplify the war against the Taliban, Al-Queda and it's connected, like minded groups no-one with even the tiniest degree of intelligence would state that the war against these groups is anywhere near over. We'd all like to be able to simplify life's problems to make us feel better, but anyone with the so-called REAL LIFE experience that you talk about would understand it doesn't work like that. Anyway, this subject matter is veering further away from the intended purposes of this site, and it seems pointless trying to explain even simple political fact to a man who reverts to simplify everything to suit his own views. As for your childish insults, pathetic.
I can't even be bothered to reply to them, water off a duck's back. Take my advice, stick to making those F.B.I's gonna getcha warnings about not showing your DVD to anyone, even your dog and telling yourself the F.B.I are running the world.
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You're really hung up on this FBI thing aren't you? Me thinks you've watched The Departed one too many times.
Labeling any jihadist with anti-American inklings al-Qaeda is like branding every Joe Blow skinhead an Aryan Brotherhood member. They are both two very different and distinct beings. No doubt that both can be very dangerous.
Hell, a broken clock tells the correct time at least twice a day.
Irish Hood,
I hope you had a good craic in Boston. I know I did. Did you hear about the drama with Slapshot?
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Yes, I've seen the Departed but to be honest preferred Internal Affairs. Neither
film shaped my views on law enforcement one way or the other. The 'You've seen the Departed' jibe is getting a little tired now, and a little childish, come on. Surely you can do better than that? Whilst your wooden, all the wit and charisma of a stale weetabix insults are quite amusing coming from an FBI officer let's move away from the nursery playground for a minute. Your statement that I compared any Jihadist with an anti-American agenda to Alqueda is incorrect. You know this, I know this. Your clutching at straws. I also understand that. Let me explain again, the mountainous region between Pakistan and Afghanistan is a very volatile area controlled at this moment by the Taliban, Al Queda and related groups. Al Queda were trained at Taliban training camps. Fact. Again, you should know this. Trying to seperate the Taliban from Al Queda and the Mujahadeen is ridiculous and hardly the same as equating the views of a snotty nosed skinhead to the Aryan Brotherhood. And if you won't listen to me read this from someone who would agree with the facts as laid out in my attempt to educate you.
"al Qaeda remains the most dangerous threat to the safety of the U.S., and outlined his three main points in the war on terror. First, that although Al-Qaeda has suffered serious setbacks, it remains a determined and adaptive enemy. Second, Al-Qaeda is both "resillient and vulnerable." And third, that the safe havens afforded by the rugged terrain along the Afghan-Pakistan border remains the most clear and present danger to the safety of the U.S.
Where do these cazy views come from........?
A) The Communist University Student neo - nazi alliance of Gravediggers?
B) The Worldwide anarchist Union of Jimmy Hoffa's Ghost and the Four Horsemen Of
the apocalypse, or
C) A closely knit band of Jihadist Freedom Fighters who vow to destroy Israel
whilst worshipping at the altar of Saddam Hussain's last toenail clippings.
No, it's Michael Hayden, yes Michael Hayden, Director of The CIA. I rest my case. Now if you won't listen to your own superior you won't listen to me so please don't expect me to reply to your juvenile ramblings any longer unless you can back them up with a better grasp of world affairs than a five year old kid. And if your looking for a career in psycoanalysis, take my advice. Don't give up the day job.
http://www.acus.org/event_blog/cia-director-event
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No, I'm now working on a new thesis. It's called 'The Chimp, the FBI Officer and the hunt for Bin Laden.' You see, due to the global credit crisis and the thousands of US taxdollars squandered by US intelligence officials chasing bum leads that have led to nothing new except dead ends and a whole new flock of camels for the local tribe leaders of Afghanistan it has come to the attention of the new US Obama led administration that evidence obtained suggests encouraging signs that a highly trained squad of chimpanzees may actually stand a slightly better chance of snagging BIN Laden than highly paid but highly incompetent FBI officers currently bungling the job. The percentages are quite clear:
FBI Officer (hope of finding Bin Laden 0.00%)
Trained Chimp(hope of finding Bin Laden 0.01%)
Plans are at an early stage but could involve a hidden camera to follow the whereabouts of a squadron of chimps and some random FBI Officers a they go about resolving a training exercise involving a mountain, an ambush and a firing range. Simon Cowell will then eliminate all but the best two contestants, one chimp, one not so chimp, who will battle it out live on television in a decathlon style training exercise where the last man(or chimp) standing will win the day. If both competitors are standing, the public vote will come into effect. Whatever happens, we'll probably rig it and send the chimp anyway as he statistically stands a much better chance of succeeding. The victor will then be dropped on the Afghan border with a hidden camera, an M16, a compass, false beard, a copy of the Koran and of course, a month's supply of bananas. What do you think? The televised
show will probably be called 'GORILLA WARFARE' unless we can think of something better between now and live broadcast.
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Hey Fleming, stick to your day job. Don't worry, you'll find that needle in the haystack and have enough to round out that Esquire article mined from the 'Net.
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U know reading through all this BS is funny as hell! I heard it all bout 911 from the gov, taking down the WTC and on an on! never heard the AB had part it! hahaha! good shit! I waiting the hear that Jolly Saint Nic dropped a fuckn bomb over it now!
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