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Haenel Mod II - pre-WW2 models

May 16 2009 at 7:28 PM

  (Premier Login Garvin2)

I recently picked up a Haenel Model II in .22 cal to go with my Mod II in .177 which I've had for a while. I expected them to make a matched pair but was surprised to see a number of substantial differences between them. The .177 dates from September 1929 and the .22 from November 1938.

Some of the obvious differences are the trigger block shapes, the Haenel logos, the rear sight patterns, the trigger guard shapes, the stocks (is one an "export" style?), the front sights, and the cocking link pivot bolts. There may be more differences internally too.

The rifle with the shinier blueing is the later model, the duller blue/patina the earlier one.

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(Login GTBlackwell)

What a beautiful pair of guns....Some how we have lost the grace of these early designs.

May 17 2009, 12:11 AM 

appreciate the photography too. Looking at these and franks tells me I need to set aside some time and rephotograph mine. Come to think of it many have not been photographed period.

BTW What does D.R.P. stand for. Thanks for posting these lovelies....GB

 
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A new one to me...

May 17 2009, 12:49 PM 

I've seen a number of Haenel Mdl II's over the years, but never one configured like your 1938 version. You may well be right that the marketers in Suhl were turning out an "English style" gun for export.
Very cool indeed!

Don R.

 
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RedFeather
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Why the asterisk following the .177 caliber designation?

May 17 2009, 3:09 PM 

My .22's (both 1928) lack that. I wonder when Haenel went to the arrow trademark?

 
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kennyboy
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I believe it means . . .

May 17 2009, 4:01 PM 

... the barrel is rifled; 'no star' means smooth bore. Haenel used that convention on their pistols, so I assume it is the same for their rifles.

 
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That early model has..........

May 17 2009, 4:55 PM 

a Browning Grade 1 look in the receiver and stock area, its very nice.

 
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(Premier Login Garvin2)

D.R.P. means Deutsches Reichs Patent

May 17 2009, 5:52 PM 

Gaines, the German patents that were in force until 1945. I can't verify the start date for D.R.P. markings, but it looks like they probably began either in the 1870s or 1890s.

The 1938 Model II above, the possible "export" version, definitely has a "BSA" feel to it, what with the rounded trigger and look-alike BSA stock shape.

Thanks Kennyboy for the explanation of the asterisk. Certainly both these rifles have an asterisk and both are rifled.

I can't confirm this either but I read somewhere that the earlier Haenel logo was an "HS" for "Haenel Schmeisser" and the arrow logo was used from 1935 onwards.

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(Premier Login Garvin2)

I've been sent confirmation

June 26 2009, 6:17 AM 

that the rifle with the rounded trigger block is the "English" style or "export" model IIE.

Note the Haenel catalog refers the reader to the IVE for an illustration of this model:


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