the Westchester/PDR people are closed books though. I got one to open up but the conditions applied were stringent indeed. even referring to key people by pseudonym will result in Frank Wilkins being request to delete a post. Very tight and protective group. Almost no-one who took part in the e documentary is happy about it and wished they'd never taken part, to call it a hack job is too mild. The private forums are beyond useless. one has photos of the area around LAX, empty cul-de-sacs with weeds and cracked pavements. Another had photos of wavy gravy, volkswagen vans and young girls in various stages of undress. great sources of information, eh? You have two, maybe three, maniacal tyrants who decide what you read here and because of that this forum is all about scratching the surface and not much more because anything of substance that names the names will be deleted or lost in the shuffle.