This article is an answer to the article entitled “The New Macedonian question" and published in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RMDigest/message/6557 by Risto Stefov at January 2007.
Below, the term Macedonian has its proper meaning that was and is “Greek from Macedonia” and the term Macedonia refers to the land from Pindus to Strymon and from Olympus to Ohrid-Gevgelja line. Skopje never was in Macedonia.
The Macedonian question was really answered at 1912-13, but another Macedonian question has risen since then! At those times it was a region taking problem, now it is a human right’s violation matter.
History decided you SlavoSkopians, being Bulgarians, thanks to Bulgarian arrogance, to get occupied by Serbians. Tito could continue Serbian policy to serbianize you, but being a Croat, he wouldn’t love a strong Serbian presence in Yugoslavia. To let you being Bulgarians was out of question. Thus he decided to make you Macedonian but not Greek. But this is a contradiction by itself. He was manipulating old (1893) Bulgarian banner: “Macedonia to the Macedonians”. Apart getting you away of your Bulgarian identity, he had raised real claims against Macedonian land, that is against Greek sovereignty. All of you were brutally imposed to believe that you are Macedonian after 1944, although you knew what you and Bulgarians meant with that banner. Do you see how easy is for a dictator to make a new nation? If you thing that it is difficult, let us control your education system for lets say three generations! We will make you proud Macedonians, like us.
You claim that you are Macedonians because you deny opening your eyes and seeing the truth: You have been Bulgarians and Macedonians have always been Greeks. A Macedonian is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World and you are not. How shall Macedonians say Thessaloniki? Solun maybe? hahahahahahahahaha !!
Greece says that Macedonians have always been Greeks. In fact Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, gods, dialect and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. Whoever denies Macedonians’ Greekness is an IDIOT or an IGNORAMUS or an IMBECILE SLAVOSKOPIAN PROPAGANDIST.
Ethnic what? What is Macedonian on you bre IDIOTS?
Yes, Macedonia was a well determined region. From Olympus to Pelagonia and from Pindus to Strymon. Skopje never was in Macedonia. Skopje was Dardanian capital, them Kossovo’s vilaet capital, then Vardarska Banovina’s capital. Veles was Peonian capital, while Lychnidos was Lyngestis’ capital. That’s why Lychnidos had a Greek name.
The dream of Greeks’ liberation was alive in Greek minds all the times. So, Macedonians (=Greeks of Macedonia) were always dreaming of unification with southern Greeks. In fact, after Macedonia’s liberation from Turkish occupation and Slavic excruciation, Greeks were dreaming of Byzantine Empire’s restoration, but apparently all peoples around (even Orthodox ones) were against it.
Greeks wanted Macedonia back in order to restore ALL Macedonian names, toponyms, ways, …. Thereafter, all Macedonians are proud to say Thessaloniki, just like HIM, Alexander the Great!
Greece never occupied Macedonia because Macedonia is inhabited by Greeks since the very first times. And yes we can prove to ANY reasoning people that Macedonians have always been Greeks: Macedonians had always Greek names, toponyms, ways, heroes, gods, dialect and spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. Macedonians named after Greek names ALL the cities they built or renamed. Macedonians defended our Greekness against Slavic (Bulgarian, SlavoSkopian) attempt to slavicize us and Macedonia. Macedonians are still defending our Greekness against SlavoSkopians’ attempt to steal Macedonian fame and glory through Macedonia’s name.
Macedonians lived and live in Macedonia the last 3000 years (YOU IMBECILE MALAKA). It’s you SlavoSkopians who live in Macedonia the last 1500 years; when you arrived in the region, we were here in Macedonia to show you HIS LIGHT and bring you to the Civilization. Prove that you don’t care of what happened in Macedonia 2300 years ago by rejecting the Macedonian name for it is older than 2300 years and let us care about those times. In fact, you SlavoSkopians have no reason to care about those times; you were neither subjects nor objects of history at those times!
Fool is whoever says Solun and claim Macedonian. Because Macedonians still are proud to say Thessaloniki.
Yes Macedonians are people with human rights that ALL peoples around (including SlavoSkopians) shall respect. We have been self determinated as Macedonians at 800 BC that is 3000 years ago, when our grandpa Karanos read Homer and found a word describing our land pretty well: Od. 7.105 : “oia te fylla makedanees aigeiroio” Yes you lived in Macedonia the last 1500 years but Macedonia wasn’t empty when you arrived here. It was full of Macedonians speaking Greek, spreading LIGHT on Earth (Kyrillos-Methodios) and reading the fyllada:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/message/1139157781/ Let alone the fact that Thracians were lived in Macedonia much longer than you, yet, being a self-respected people, they never asked to be called Macedonian.
For us Greek (and ANY reasoning people) Macedonia (shall) is Greek because Macedonians have always been Greeks.
We could live with you in Macedonia in peace, but after 18xx you wanted to dominate Macedonia. Well, we couldn’t accept a new foreign domination in the place of an old one. We did have to resist and this is what we have done SUCCESSFULLY so far. After this, you, being defeated, left Macedonia, for you couldn’t live any more here. What’s wrong with that? It is Macedonian issue a matter of land? Do you ask for borders to change? Or do you ask Thessaloniki to be called Solun in Macedonian?
World is not as ignoramus as you are in FYROM and SlavoSkopian diaspora. In fact, World laughs on you when you claim any relation to ancient Macedonians. World will humiliate you after the solution of the name problem if you still claim that you are related to ancient Macedonians.
Greece asked those pupils kidnapped by Communists at 1948-49 during the Greek Civil war (that was not that civil in Macedonia) to come back in Greece, yet all communist countries denied that right to them. You have brainwashed them, they are now yours. We want them back as such: pupils. So, Greece shall give the right to the grandsons on those people to come back in Greece and get their Greek rights back. Parents of those pupils fought against Greek sovereignty and they lost their fortunes in Greece as punishment. Do they prefer another punishment? What? And, why on Earth those pupils want to live in a racist and fascist county as (you) they call Greece?
Greece has no minority problems because it is an EU country.
“There is no international law or precedence that would allow legally or morally for a state to evict people from their lands and rob them of their property and ethnic rights based on 2,400 year old "ambiguous claims"”
You are MALAKAS my dear! What would Albanians of FYROM do if they had lost 2001 rebellion?
Would you allow Bulgarians to be called Krushevians? Would ANY Albanian allow you to be called Tosks? Would ANY German allow ANY Slavic people be called Bavarian? So, call yourselves by a non Macedonian name and let us be in your side in your will to return in Greece. Until then, no Greek can be with you.
“How do we know that the Macedonians themselves who lived in Macedonia for at least 1,500 years have no rights to Macedonian lands and the Macedonian heritage?”
How do you know that Greeks who lived in Macedonia since the very beginning of Macedonian nation have no rights to Macedonian lands and the Macedonian heritage?
We are ready to prove our Greekness to any one. We are Greeks because we are proud of it and we show this pride every day and because there is no any other people more Greek than us around. In fact we are as Greek as ANY ancient or future Greek. You are not Macedonians because you are not proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. In fact, you are ashamed of it and thus you hide its cultural dimension from your pupils. You say no word about Greek Language spread because of Macedonian campaign!
Greece is a “product” of Greeks’ will and blood. After 8 years of brutal struggle, Greeks were helped by European countries (pressed by their own peoples. Turks had already Egyptian help against us). Ancient Greek Culture survived in Greek spirits through our Language and Christianity. After Fathers of Church’s times Christian Greeks were proud of our ancient Greek Civilization. The name Greece is Greek and is in Homer lines, as well as all ancient Greek writers’ lines.
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All those “non-Greek” populations who were in or settled Greece have intention to learn and speak Greek. Greece had no imposed anything to anyone. Greece was not an attractive country.
Risto dear, if you think that you SlavoSkopians are not related to ancient Macedonians, that is that you are not Macedonian, you might tell this to your pupils indirectly and let them find the solution of the problem. You might have a name similar to Novomacedonia. We Greeks do believe that we are as Greek as ANY ancient or future Greek.
After Macedonia’s liberation, Greece restored all known ancient Macedonian toponyms in Macedonia that have been replaced with Turkish and Slavic ones. Now we Macedonians are proud to say Thessaloniki, Aigai, Argos, Aliakmon, Axios, Pella, Orestias, Evropos, Ixnai, …. As for people names, all those SlavoSkopians (Bulgarians) who have fought against Greek sovereignty and were defeated by us Macedonians, had the choice to leave Greece for well or stay and get punished. Just like Greeks of Monastiri, Pelagonia, Eastern Roumelia, Ionia, Pontos, ….
Greeks, including Macedonians have a 4000 years old language that has dialects by region AND TIME! Your SlavoSkopian language is a Bulgarian dialect. That’s why ALL SlavoSkopian heroes asked for Bulgarian schools to open in Macedonia, right after Ilinden uprising fails.
Who is forcing modern SlavoSkopians to declare Bulgarians and get those damn 100,000 Bulgarian passports? Bulgaria, maybe?
The 1914 Carnegie Report is not published yet in Skopje because it doesn’t mention ANY “Macedonian” people!
Greece has never officially accepted the term Macedonia(n) for you and your state. It’s beyond reasoning. Those school books were published by private bookstores, not by Greek state. We are a free country; anyone has the right to publish anything, even SlavoSkopian LIES. But we also have the right to publish the TRUTH: You are Macedonian NOTHING. All what we did and still learn in schools is that the Macedonian name of the city is Thessaloniki. Any objection?
We Greeks have no problem with your identity; we do have serious problems with the name you attempt to grant for it. Because Macedonians have always been Greeks. Yes, we Macedonians want to be called Macedonian by all peoples around including you SlavoSkopians. Respect us, if you want us to respect you. You are not Macedonians because you are ashamed of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World. You pathetically and miserably hide this Greek dimension of that campaign in order to suit to your fake image about Macedonians. You, like CLOWNS, want to steal Macedonian name for its glory and fame while denying our rights over that name. You hide the whole truth about Macedonians from your pupils continuing propaganda that dedushka Tito used to brainwash you. Get out of Underground or better let your pupils get out of it.
Yes, Greek government shall care about violation of essential human rights of Macedonians violated by you SlavoSkopians and your imbecile propaganda machine. The name Thessaloniki shall remain Macedonian and shall not be changed because of the will of some brainwashed people led by their stupid money making leaders. Time for you SlavoSkopian propagandist to find a new job to do, your imbecile Underground times have gone for well. Respect SlavoSkopian people and their children. Imagine how World will laugh on them each time they claim Macedonian related to ancient Macedonians. Protect them from World’s humiliation.
We cannot grant full human rights to the people who deny and violate OUR human rights. Sorry. If you SlavoSkopians of Greece want full human rights, just respect our essential and elementary ones: we have been self determinated as Macedonians 3000 years ago. Respect our name.
What do we Greeks steal from you?
Time for you to stop Risto. Out of Underground, in the Civilization of LIGHT, lies have no long life! Learn a new job, the times of making money from SlavoSkopian propaganda are gone, at least until a new Tito is around.
Istor
Solun or Thessaloniki?
Conflict about Macedonian name