Yes. In we humans it works out as our Positive aspect (God the Father) impregnating Mary, the negative or receptive aspect in the New Testament allegory Mary symbolises that mind quality called human) giving birth to consciousness, symbolically depicted by Jesus in the not at all new, New Testament as well as Buddha, Crishna, and every other infant savior born to virgins B-C. As you and others already know Jackie, the characters in the Bible are not, in most cases, flesh and blood people but symbols for evolving mind qualities.
it could have something to do with what the Bible says in 1st Cor. 2:14, along with what John said in 1st John 4:12 concerning spiritual things. And because God is a spiritual being to begin with, when man tries to figure this out in the natural realm, we cannot do so. Even though true, it is a natural reaction for all of us humans to do so. Right?
Only by the grace of God go I,
"If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God or whether I speak of myself.
He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is IN him." John 7:17-18
In the first century, when Rome was consolidating the factions within their influence into a single state sponsored religion, they were faced with three major groups. The Father represents those who worshiped the amanita muscaria(god of war, fire and sacrifice), the Son was the psilocybians(gods of peace, love and cooperation) and the Holy Ghost was ergot,(the insidious god of commerce and politics.
The Trinity gave each of these powerful factions equality in the new religion... Christianity.
Certain species of ants burrow deep into the ground and form massive underground "cities". They're extremely well organized and have a structured social system, with different ants assigned to different jobs.
Just watching ants go about their stuff, it looks as though they're just running around aimlessly and probably just swarm together in some massive clump inside of their hills ...... but they don't. Underground they have many highways and side roads and actually live in their own little apartment pods, much like humans do!
What I find particularly interesting is that they cultivate fungus gardens way down below the ground and actually create ventilation ducts to bring fresh air down to the gardens and exhaust CO2 from other tubes. They create the air currents by storing their garbage near the exhaust tubes so that ...... as it decomposes, it creates heat and since heat rises, it induces convection current, which pulls fresh air down the vent pipes on the other side.
Now what is it about fungus that appeals to them? Surely there are more nourishing things to eat?
There are worse words in my vocabulary than "luck", I assure you. =D
Here's an interesting puzzle: is there no such thing as luck? Does God control every roll of the dice or every turn of the card? Not CAN God control them, but does God CARE TO control them? Does God care about games of chance? Are games of chance a sin? Are games a sin? Because virtually every game requires some measure of luck. Even say...Scrabble. You must have the skill to form the highest scoring words and know where to best place them. But you must have the luck to pick the right tiles, and the luck that your opponent will play the right words in the right places and not use the spots you plan to use.
chose another apostle by the rules of chance. I think it's in Acts...cast lots:
24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, show whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
I believe God is the author of natural law...probability and chance being a part of that natural law. I do think also he will intervene in his own law on occasion to answer a prayer. But I think it is true to say that God invented the laws of probability otherwise known as 'luck'.
Yes, the apostles cast lots, and it was not an uncommon practice.
Numbers 26:55 Be sure that the land is distributed by lot. What each group inherits will be according to the names for its ancestral tribe.
Proverbs 18:18 Casting the lot settles disputes and keeps strong opponents apart.
According to Proverbs 16:33, every decision from cast lots is from the Lord. I can understand that if the person casting lots is seeking an answer from God. But what if it's for a game of chance? Is playing games of chance or dice, etc. considered a sin by the Jews? Maybe Deb knows the answer to that one... the dreidel game is a type of game of chance, but is not casting lots.
The Urim and the Thummin were devices or objects (possibly small flat tablets of wood or bone) the priests consulted to determine the will of God. They were placed in the ephod, the rituallly and symblolically ornamented breastplate worn by the priests:
Exodus 28:30 Also put the Urim and the Thummim in the breastpiece, so they may be over Aaron's heart whenever he enters the presence of the Lord. Thus Aaron will always bear the means of making decisions for the Israelites over his heart before the Lord.
Numbers 27:21 He is to stand before Eleazar the priest, who will obtain decisions for him by inquiring of the Urim before the Lord. At his command he and the entire community of the Israelites will go out, and at his command they will come in.
1 Samuel 28:6 He inquired of the Lord, but the Lord did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets.
Joseph used a silver cup for divination -- a practice known as scrying:
Genesis 44:1 Now Joseph gave these instructions to the steward of his house: "Fill the men's sacks with as much food as they can carry, and put each man's silver in the mouth of his sack. 2 Then put my cup, the silver one, in the mouth of the youngest one's sack, along with the silver for his grain." And he did as Joseph said. 3 As morning dawned, the men were sent on their way with their donkeys. 4 They had not gone far from the city when Joseph said to his steward, "Go after those men at once, and when you catch up with them, say to them, 'Why have you repaid good with evil? 5 Isn't this the cup my master drinks from and also uses for divination? This is a wicked thing you have done.'"
And what about Daniel?
Daniel 5:11 There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. In the time of your father he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods. King Nebuchadnezzar your father--your father the king, I say--appointed him chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners.
.. too many Christians use that term "luck" or "lucky" when
explaining a good thing in their life, when in fact they
should be giving thanks to the Lord. But you definitely
made your points, Sis. Both you and Marge. And as a
male chauvenist, I admit to being rather embarassed at
being shown up by a couple of femal, errr, women.
So please, let's not make this a habit, ladies.
EDITED TO TYPE IN MY NAME
the bloke who posted above is 41 years old
and lives in tiny little Rhode Island!
This message has been edited by Beckett777 on Feb 23, 2009 3:16 PM
Now, John...you make a statement like, "Magic and luck should NOT be in a Christian's vocabulary. Unfortunately, a lot of things shouldn't be, but they are."
Well, that's a pretty definite statement. It's not a matter of showing you up or trying to embarrass you at all =) But the statement certainly bears examination.
I see, as I often do, an odd dichotomy in the Bible when it comes to the discussion of "magic". The Bible on one hand condemns "sorcery" and "witchcraft", but on the other hand the priests and the Apostles cast lots or consulted mystical devices to determine the will of God, Joseph used a silver cup for scrying/diviniation, and Daniel interpreted dreams was appointed chief of the magicians, enchanters, astrologers and diviners. The Magi saw the birth of Christ foretold by studying the stars -- astrology.
What exactly does "sorcery" mean? Some would define it as, "a person saying magical words or performing magical rituals in order to harm or kill another person". If that's the case, then when Paul cursed Bar-Jesus (blinding him in Acts 13:6-12) or when Peter cursed Sapphira (Acts 5:9), were they engaging in acts of evil sorcery by bringing curses on those people? What about when Elisha called up two bears to kill 42 little children for calling him bald? Or the ritual in Numbers 5:12-31, where a priest concocts a magical drink -- a potion? -- to curse a woman who has committed adultery, even to cause an abortion if she is guilty. These curses seem very evil, but were they just doing the will of God?
Galatians 5:19-20 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
This is one of the verses that people refer to specifically forbidding "witchcraft". The word here in Greek is "pharmakos" which actually means "drugging" or "poisoning" (sounds like the passage in Numbers 5).
Another important passage is Deuteronomy 18:10-11 --
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
The original words in Hebrew are:
yid'oni -- Making contact with spirits (not of God) (channeling?)
sho'el 'ov -- Making contact with the dead (perhaps through a medium, like a seance)
qosem q'samim -- Foretelling the future by using lots or a similar system. This is interesting considering that, as we discussed before, the Apostles and the priests cast lots and used the Urim and Thummin.
m'onen -- Predicting the future by interpreting signs in nature. Does this include weather prediction by looking at moss on trees, the thickness of animal fur, or if the groundhog sees his shadow?
m'nachesh -- Enchanting (perhaps related to nachash, a snake). Although there are fringe Christian groups in the deep south of the United States that firmly believe they must handle poisonous snakes to prove their faith (based on a passage in Luke that scholars do not believe is even authentic).
chover chavar -- Casting spells -- presumably evil spells -- by magical knot tying.
m'khaseph -- evil sorcery; using spoken spells to harm other people.
doresh 'el hametim -- "One who asks the dead", probably via another method than sho'el 'ov
So contacting the dead seems to be right out. Although Jesus himself spoke to the dead and commanded them to rise. And Jesus told the parable of the beggar Lazarus and the rich man -- but in that case, they apparently both were already dead, so it must have been okay for them to talk to each other. =) And Jesus preached to the dead for the three days he was in the grave.
Evil spells or doing harm to others is definitely a no-no, and that's a no-brainer. But there are other things -- runes, tarot cards, scrying, palm reading, reading tea leaves, casting lots, astrology, dream interpretation, some kabbalistic practices like wearing a red string around one's left wrist to ward off the Evil Eye...that seem to either be condoned (at least sometimes) or not discussed at all in the scriptures.
This message has been edited by kateothelamp on Feb 24, 2009 2:25 PM
The human mind can only comprehend three categories to put information in
The Triune Brain : The Struggle Within
The human being happens to be in a constant state of warfare, doesn't realize this, and is thus constantly 'confused' and has therefore no idea how to establish, and be at, peace. The ever ongoing battle; between the old mind set and the new; between clinging on to the old and reaching towards the new; between the archipallium and the neopallium, with the paleopallium caught in between:
Red: archipallium brain (reptilian brain)
Yellow: paleopallium brain (limbic system)
Green: neopallium brain (neocortex)
The reptile brain, also known as the reptilian complex, or r-complex for short, evolved first. This corresponds roughly to the idea of an id, or child. From the reptilian complex we get our instinct to survive, fight, flee, gain territory and reproduce. From the reptile brain we get our most basic emotions. The dragon within is very much alive and well, and necessary. Humans wouldn't be human without the reptile brain.
The limbic system, also known as the mammal brain, evolved next. This corresponds roughly to the idea of a superego, or parent. From our mammal brain, we get our urge to nurture, to love, and to join with others. From the mammal brain comes our ability to follow laws and rules. Much of what is best in the human psyche comes from the mammal brain.
The neocortex, also known as neopallium brain, evolved last. It corresponds roughly to the idea of an ego, or an adult. From the neopallium brain we get the skills necessary to make peace between the reptile brain and the mammal brain. From the neocortex comes the ability to forgive and to temper justice with mercy. From the neocortex comes reason, and memory, and logic. From the neocortex comes intellect. We need the neocortex to understand the universe.
"The Most High" has a triune psyche. We call it the trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
It has been speculated that the image of God creating Adam on the Sistine Chapel ceiling is actually a depiction of a cross-section of the human brain, including the frontal lobe, optic chiasm, brain stem, pituitary gland, and the major sulci of the cerebrum.. Some interesting ties there...the Word, the Logos, the Reason, being the creative force of God. Here are a few articles about it: