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GREEKS labelled as "BARBARIAN" in Antiquity

August 14 2007 at 12:46 AM
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By our friend MACEDON http://www.topix.net/forum/world/macedonia/TE2ES4Q5SLC38GI8D

Even in ancient times the word came to have also a cultural rather than a merely linguistic significance, and described people outside the orbit of the Greek city-states, whether or not they spoke Greek; barbarians were therefore thought to be uncivilized, cowardly, cruel, treacherous, and lacking in self-control.
EXAMPLES

1.The word barbarism was originally used by the Greeks for foreign terms used in their language.
Note that a barbarism is an error of morphology, while a solecism is an error of syntax.
hhttp://www.answers.com/topic/barbarism-linguistics

2.verb,
barbarizein, "to act like a foreigner"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barbarizein%2C+%22to+act+like+a+
foreigner%22&btnG=Google+Search

3.
So we have an noun "Barbarus" which means (in ancient greek) a NON-Greek person and an adjective "Barbarus"
which also means NON-Greek but as temporal characterization

NOUN a person, place, thing (PERMANENT MEANING)

ADJECTIVE
The part of speech that MODIFIES a noun
http://www.answers.com/topic/adjective
See below

4."And Clearchus. in the second book of his treatise on Friendship, says,-" Stratonicus the harp-player, whenever he wished to go to sleep, used to order a slave to bring him something to drink; ' not,' says he,'because I am thirsty now, but that I may not be presently.'" And once, at Byzantium, when a harp-player had played his prelude well, but had made a blunder of the rest of the performance, he got up and made proclamation, " That whoever would point out the harp-player who had played the prelude should receive a thousand drachme." And when he was once asked by some one who were the wickedest people, he said, "That in Pamphylia, the people of Plaselis were the worst; but that the Sidetze were the worst in the wl-hIole world." And when he was asked again, according to the account given by Hegesander, which were the GREATEST BARBARIANS, the Boeotians or the Thessalians he said, " The Eleans."
Athenaios VIII 350a

5.Plato characterized the Lesbian Aeolic Greek dialect as ˇa BARBARIAN register˘ while addressing Pittakos of Mytilene. We do know though Aeolic was a Greek dialect. Another example about the abuse of the term “barbaros”
[Protagoras 3410]

6.Another example is the dialogue between Socrates and Strepsiadis in Aristophanes “Clouds”. At a certain moment Socrates call Strepsiadis “antropos amathes outosi kai barbaros” This make even clearer the term “barbaros” was used as a derogatory term since Strepsiadis…was a well-known Athenian. Unless they insist on believing Atheneans werent greeks either.
Quote:
SOCRATES aside
Oh! the ignoramus! the BARBARIAN!
to STREPSIADES
I greatly fear, old man, it will be necessary for me to have recourse to blows. Now, let me hear what you do when you are beaten

Aristophanes,ˇNephelae˘(line 491)

7.The truth is, he is so tactless,so BARBARIAN in his temperament, that when he sees you somewhat angry with anyone and rather more exasperated than the occasion calls for, he at once anticipates your wishes in the moment of your wrath and so opposes your interests.

Demosthenes Against Aristogiton II 17

8.You have perhaps imagined, because he solecizes(makes syntactical errors) in his speech, that he is a BARBARIAN and a man readily to be despised. The fellow is indeed a barbarian in that he hates those whom he ought to honor; but in villainy and in bringing matters to ruin he is second to none.

Demosthenes, Against Stephanus I 40

9.Here˘s another fine example: Aeschines, On the Embassy 2 183
Quote:
A word more and I have done. One thing was in my power, fellow citizens: to do you no wrong. But to be free from accusation, that was a thing which depended upon fortune, and fortune cast my lot with a slanderer, a BARBARIAN, who cared not for sacrifices nor libations nor the breaking of bread together; nay, to frighten all who in time to come might oppose him, he has fabricated a false charge against us and come in here. If, therefore, you are willing to save those who have laboured together with you for peace and for your security, the common good will find champions in abundance, ready to face danger in your behalf.

Here Aeschines when attempting to refute Demosthenes˘ accusations, clearly titles him a “barbarian” that “fabricated a false charge” against him

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Greek+tribes+being+labelled+%27Barbarians%27+-
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http://historyofmacedonia.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/greek-tribes-being-labeled-
barbarians/

Istor
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