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SMWIA SUPPORTS THE RAIL COALITION

by vote no to SMART

Best Freight Rail Contract In A Generation Ratified
Six of the seven rail unions that make up the Rail Labor Bargaining Coalition (RLBC) have ratified their contracts with the National Carrier’s Conference Committee (NCCC).
The RLBC represents seven rail labor unions whose contracts cover more than 85,000 rail workers or more than 50 percent of the carriers’ employees. The seven unions in the RLBC are the American Train Dispatchers Association, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division, the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers, the National Conference of Firemen and Oilers/SEIU, and the Sheet Metal Workers’ International Association.
The NCCC is the carriers’ bargaining coalition representing the nation’s major railroads in national negotiations, including Union Pacific, Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Norfolk Southern, CSX, and Kansas City Southern.
The agreement includes general wage increases totaling 17 percent (18.2 percent compounded over the life of the agreement), which will remain effective until December 31, 2009. Negotiations concluded in May after two and a half years of bargaining, after which the unions submitted the tentative agreement to their members for ratification.
The final results were received today. Of the seven RLBC member unions, just the American Train Dispatchers Association failed to ratify the agreement.
“For the first time in a generation, a major portion of rail labor negotiated in solidarity,” said Fred Simpson, President of the Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division (BMWED), “This agreement represents a historic achievement for rail labor. By standing together, we demonstrated to the carriers that their ‘divide and conquer’ strategy, in which they would pit one union against another to achieve the lowest common denominator, would no longer work.”
"These were difficult negotiations," stated Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen International President W. Dan Pickett. "The carriers were on the offensive throughout this entire process. The RLBC’s solidarity derailed the carriers’ all-out assault upon the wages, benefits, and work rules, and achieved the best contract we’ve gotten in decades."
“The rail carriers have woken-up to the fact that there’s a new sheriff in town,” said John Murphy, Teamsters International Vice President and Director of the Teamsters Rail Conference with which the BLET and BMWED are affiliated. “The carriers are no longer dealing with a divided and splintered rail labor force. The rail unions stuck together through an extraordinarily difficult, multi-year process. We stopped the carriers from singling out the union with the most to lose and then forcing other unions to accept a so-called pattern agreement. When negotiations open up again in 2010, rail labor will be stronger and more united, and we will be positioned to achieve even greater gains for our members.”
"This agreement proves the old adage that in unity there is strength," said RLBC Chair and President of the National Conference of Firemen and Oilers (SEIU) George J. Francisco, Jr. "Coalition bargaining led to a better contract and we were able to work with rail unions outside of the RLBC as well."
“From the legal counsel to the consultants we retained, the coalition demonstrated extraordinary value of solidarity,” Alan M. Scheer, Director of the Railroad Division of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers. “Together we achieved far more than we could have separately. That is the power of the RLBC.”
“By sticking together and holding firm through a very difficult and trying process, we were able to secure our best contract in a generation,” Dewey B. Garland, Director of the Railroad and Shipyard Department of the Sheet Metal Workers International Association. “This is the power of rail solidarity.”
The contract gives up no work rules, raises net wages over 16 percent after cost sharing for Health & Welfare (H&W), caps employee H&W contributions, expands access to in-network medical benefits for most of the 25 percent of rail employees previously denied them, and provides no concessions on contracting out or the carriers’ work exit demands.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 8:43 AM

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This was before the SMART merger!!!!!

by hey

Things changed overnight when the Power of the UTU decided to come on over to form SMART!!!

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 9:48 AM

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Okay, Hakey what has changed?

by vote no to SMART

Be specific, what has changed?????

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 10:26 AM

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Brother Hakey supports SMART!!

by hey

Don't be accusing Brother Hakey of standing in the way of this great merger!!

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 10:38 AM

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Hakey what are the changes as you said???

by Who's accusing??

Hakey said "Things changed overnight when the Power of the UTU decided to come on over to form SMART!!!"

I asked what those "things" are that changed overnight? I never said he was standing in the way, quit accusing. I was merely requesting a specific response to what he had said, so go flush a toilet somewhere!!

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 10:57 AM

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Don't get SMART with me!!!

by Hakey

I'll kick your SMART ass!!!

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 11:36 PM

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READ ROGER'S EXPLANATION ABOVE

by VOTE NO BY smart members is worth reading!!

Take time to read the article it will answer a lot of questions.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 7:23 PM

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FACTS ABOUT THE SMART MERGER in a nutshell

by THIS MERGER IS NOT GOOD, VOTE NO

UTU proposes to merge with the Sheet Metal International Workers Association.
To create an Organization to be named SMART:

There is a document on the UTU web site that is the proposed merger agreement to establish SMART and to eliminate the UTU and establish us as the Transportation Division of SMART. I would encourage you all to review this proposal as it will have a huge impact on the future representation you will be receiving from your labor organization.

As of now, I feel that there are too few facts and details lacking in this proposal to be able to make an informed decision and would certainly prefer to have an opportunity to ask questions in a public forum where the answers can be documented and heard by all and memorialized for future reference. Until that time I would have to say NO to the merger proposal and ask that the International of the UTU hold an open debate on the merits of this endeavor at the UTU Convention which is to be held on August 13, 2007. It seems very unusual that there is almost frenzy at the International to shove this through prior to the delegates meeting and having an opportunity to ask the important questions.

In the (15) page merger agreement the (6) senior International Officers of the UTU would go over to SMART as General Vice Presidents, while the remaining Officers would be transformed into International Representatives and Organizers. We don’t know the mechanism for future filling of those positions as the details are lacking. There would also be an attrition of the Assistant President and GS&T of the UTU and when that happens, the next two senior Vice Presidents would be moved to General Vice Presidents of SMART.

If a member is looking for details regarding the duties of office, disposition of locals, whether certain union officials are elected or appointed; your guess is as good as mine. It seems that the merger document presents a vehicle for the merger to take place, but doesn’t really say what is going to happen once it does take place. We do know that in 2011 that General Executive Council action has to be taken by them in order to negate the merger agreements termination in accordance with article XIII. So what does it all mean, are we voting for a merger or just an association with another union that will eventually just fold us into their organization as a sub-part known as section 21(b)?

There is also a great disparity in the salaries of current Vice Presidents of both organizations as SMWIA pays theirs $43,000 while the UTU pays $137,000. Question is how much are these newly created General Vice Presidents going to be paid? These are the top (6) officers coming over from UTU to be named to those positions and are they different positions then the existing Vice Presidents in SMWIA? It looks as though the officers plan on using the UTUIA finances to make up the disparity in the salaries which could be a sizable amount of money for each position.

There are also some changes in the eligibility for office which seem to conflict with the current UTU Constitution and numerous previous UTU Board of Directors decisions. Seems like (40) years of precedent are being washed away with a (15) page proposal. Apparently it solves someone’s political problems. There are also proposed changes in the manner in which locals send delegates to the convention regarding both payment from the local and introduction of the weighted ballot. Both of these items were rejected at several UTU Conventions when they were brought to the floor as proposed amendments. Not many locals could afford to pay a delegate to attend a national convention and if there were more than one, the cost would be prohibitive and would force local union dues to be increased to cover the costs.

These are just a few of the issues that you may have to consider so please think and read before you make your decision and cast your vote.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 8:31 AM

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VOTE YES! WHY PROLONG THE INEVITABLE?

by THE UTU AND THE CONDUCTORS ARE HISTORY

ACCEPT YOUR FATE AND MAN UP! YOUR FALSE SENSE OF HOPE WILL ONLY MAKE THE END MORE PAINFUL.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 2:22 PM

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AND THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES??

by no, no, no your just not real SMART!!

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Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 9:32 PM

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Bush commutes Libby's prison term

by Olbermann's head is gonna explode tonite

LOL

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 5:13 PM

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so what

by yeppers

so paulie pardoned boyd what is the difference?

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:23 PM

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YES! IF YOU LIE YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL, JUST LIKE BILL CLINTON DID!

by OH, NEVERMIND........

GUESS NO ONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL ANYMORE

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 12:21 PM

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SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP!

by Anonymous

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Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:29 AM

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Mike Futhey is Mr. Clean

by UTU will get a through cleaning come August

EOM

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:35 AM

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FIRST TO GO IS THE SPEECH WRITER

by Mr. Clean Assistant

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Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:52 AM

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Read Little and Boyd's Affidavits - Futhey was part of the Criminal Enterprise

by Anonymous

Mr. Clean, he ain't.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 12:19 PM

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Where's the affidavits?

by inquiring minds want to know

EOM

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 12:35 PM

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Right here

by Anonymous

http://www.yardlimits.com/dmdocuments/affidavits.pdf

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:25 PM

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Hey Anonymous, where are the affidavits??

by Where are they?

waiting, waiting, waiting and no answer!!! I have been put on hold!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 7:22 PM

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Here they are

by Anonymous

http://www.yardlimits.com/dmdocuments/affidavits.pdf

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:41 PM

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FUTHEY had not part of the evil of the Enterprise

by According to affidavits

According to Futhey and the Affidavits. Mike delivered an envelop that was given to him. He did not know anything of envelopes contents nor its purpose. I believe the average JOE would do the same. If they were told by their superiors to deliver a package, most JOES would do as they are told and no questions asked!! Most couriers do not believe items, they are asked to deliver are illegal in nature, do you?

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 10:34 AM

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That's what I told the judge too........

by Anonymous

.........and it didn't work for me. How was I to know that the box that I was carrying across the border had drugs in it? Freddie just asked me to go get it from this fella in Mexico and bring it back to him. Judge didn't buy it either.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 11:23 AM

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Judge? Did i miss something??

by I don't follow

I did not think he was indicted? There was no bases for his involvement in this the Enterprise, correct? His name was mentioned and that was all OR am I wrong and he is serving time? Now if he was cleared of any wrong doing THEN HE IS CLEARED correct?? By the way, you are comparing apples and oranges, they are not the same.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 12:12 PM

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Cleared? Don't think so

by Anonymous

Just another one of the many un-indicted co-conspirators of the UTU Enterprise.

The Grand Jury certainly did not clear Futhey, DeBose, Hakey, Thompson and the rest. The government refers to the bunch as un-indicted co-conspirators in their indictments of Boyd and Little.

Cleared? He was NEVER cleared by the Grand Jury nor the US Attorney.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 2:54 PM

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un indicted

by to numnuts

and your point numbnuts?? no conviction dah!

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 4:15 PM

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co-conspirators

by Anonymous

co-conspirators as described by the US Attorny.

Basically dirty but too small of fish for the government to fry when they have the two presidents busted.

Now they want to be the big fish. They can't hide from their corruption.

Enjoy. You all deserve what you get.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 6:45 PM

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Stop the ridiculous innuendo!!

by hey

These posts are getting more and more ridiculous!! You smear campaign against Brother Hakey will not work!! Delegates are finding our more and more every day about the hard work and long hours that David L. Hakey puts in for the membership!! Frank Wilner and Robert Strzelczyk do yeoman's work for the members and make everything run smoothly and give the public the true face of our great union!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:24 AM

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So, which of your staff started the innuendo?

by Hakey's boys are lurking the halls of UTU

Which of Hakey's boys started this innuedo and is lurking the Halls and Bathrooms of UTU? If this is what Hakey stoops to then he needs to rethink who he selects to put stuff on the forum and this website.

Did Roy lose his Office he keep sneaking around side of UTU Building to make his Cell Phone call maybe he got kicked out of Office or could he be making secret call to Roger and dictate message to put on this Board?

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:32 AM

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Read Little and Boyd's Affidavits - Hakey was part of the Criminal Enterprise

by Anonymous

"The definition of INSANITY is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result"
--Einstein

If you're nuts, vote for Hakey.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 12:22 PM

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Public opinion of the UTU

by Harris Cola Poll

Pollster: "Sir, what is your opinion of the UTU?"
John Q. Public: "What the fuck is a UTU?"
Pollster: "Its a conductors union."
John Q. Public: "Who cares?"

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 4:36 PM

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FRANK THE ONLY OFFICE BEING LOST IS YOURS COME AUGUST!!

by Leave your binoculars when you leave!!

Now, Frank that is a new low for you to be check out people at UTU for Hakey. Do you go into the bathroom stalls and put a timer to the occupants?? One dump or two!! The only person sneaking around is you. I am sure Arnold is not the only one who needs to take his personal calls away from the office I am sure most of the office staff don't trust the walls of UTU anymore and this is the reason way. Go watch birds with you binoculars it will be more entertaining for you!! or some young man's bedroom window!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 10:56 AM

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Hakey's other helpers in UTU

by Jeff W.or Robert S. have been seen lurking.

You guys have been fingered to be snitches for David Hakey as well as Frank. Hakey must had given all his snitches binoculars. I guess you take turns watching the womens stalls and powder room. Do you get your jollys this way??
Well, you guys need to get your resume out as well come August the entire UTU headquarters will be swept clean. Your on the list for eradication!!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:07 AM

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JEFF W. IS ON FUTHEY SIDE

by Anonymous

HE A GOOD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:54 AM

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EXCUSE ME!!! Mike Futhey would never have someone like him!!

by Jeff is a snitch from Hakey's landfill!!

Get real, Mike has more sense than to have someone from Hakey's camp infiltrate his Great Team!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 12:24 PM

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Dont try whitewash whitewash expert

by Whitewash expert

JEFF HAVE A BIG MOUTH AND HE TOLD PROMISES MADE.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 2:35 PM

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DID ROY LOSE HIS OFFICE

by Anonymous

Did Roy lose his Office he keep sneaking around side of UTU Building to make his Cell Phone call maybe he got kicked out of Office or could he be making secret call to Roger and dictate message to put on this Board?

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 10:40 AM

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I AM SURE, It is one of those 5 min. breaks they are allowed

by They get 5 min in the a.m. and p.m. D. Hakey

They can not make personal calls and can only have one hour for lunch. I don't care if they are VPs or office staff. Any more than 5 min. I dock their pay!! Now do you have a problem with that?? I, of course, can come and go whenever I please. Frank is that you questioning my authority??

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 10:46 AM

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no he did not.

by jeff w and Robert s and jerry p

hakey will lose yours for you u cheap sniches. robert u never change do you? even after you turned in one of your own members from your local causing him to get fired real brotherhood right? you will be the first maybe second behind hakey to go home packing.

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 4:18 PM

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Where's my SMART ballot??????????????????????????????

by SMART 4 Ever

I am thinking my SMART merger package has been stolen.

Paul promised us to have our SMART ballots around the end of June.

Where is mine?

I'm voting YES! and I guess it really doesn't matter whether I have a ballot or not. Paul knows how to vote for me.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 10:14 AM

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Get SMART - Get SMART now - DAMNIT !

by Paulie

We need SMART and WE need it now DAMNIT ! We got 35 officers at the International that need jobs at SMART. What the hell do you think they are going to do if we let our UTU go under? DAMNIT!!! You dues payers have jobs. How about thinking abouit us officers at the international for once. WE NEED THOSE JOBS AT SMART. DAMNIT !!!!!

Paulie

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 9:42 AM

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Re: Get SMART - Get SMART now - DAMNIT !

by Anonymous

What you so pissed about, paulie? Your going to retire.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 11:52 AM

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"I'm SMART!"

by Fredo Corleone

Ain't the way I wanted it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aptuhpkocgo&mode=related&search=

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 12:58 PM

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DELEGATE COMPENSATION UNDER NEW MERGER!!

by Locals will foot bill under the not so SMART!

SECTION 11--DELEGATE COMPENSATION
SEC. 11. Each local union, state, provincial and district council shall pay its delegates full
transportation costs plus ordinary living expenses, none of which shall be refunded to the local
union. Each delegate not assigned to a committee shall receive Twelve Hundred Dollars ($1,200.00)
as compensation for attending the Convention. Delegates appointed as Conductors, in addition to
delegate compensation, shall receive Three Hundred Twenty-Five ($325.00) for each day of service.
All compensation herein shall be paid by the International Association and shall continue thereafter
until changed by action of a subsequent Convention. This Section shall not apply to paid officials or
paid representatives of this Association.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 9:28 AM

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If the two (UTU/SMW Constitutions Conflict then...

by UTU will lose!!

IF the two constitutions conflict in meaning then the SMW constitution takes presidence!! This article conflicts with UTUs Constitution therefore SMW will prevail!! Ouch!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 7:17 PM

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GOOD BYE DELETES - Sheet Metal Constitution

by no more representation for small locals

SEC. 2(b). Except as provided herein, each local union shall be entitled to one (1) delegate
for the first one hundred (100) members or less and one (1) delegate for each additional one hundred
(100) members or majority fraction thereof, provided, however, that in no event shall a local union
be entitled to more than twenty (20) delegates or to more delegates than it pays full transportation
costs plus all ordinary living expenses, none of which shall be refunded to the local union. The
above requirement for payment of transportation costs and living expenses as a condition for being a
delegate shall not apply to paid officials or paid representatives of this International Association.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:42 AM

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DELEGATES GET THE BOOT

by lost in translation from SWM constitution

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Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:43 AM

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Jim Williams ex-VP of Bus Dept

by roger webster

Maybe we can find someone who can remember when Mr. Williams was moved up to VP of the Bus Department and then all of a sudden he left that position and went back to California and once again became the General Chairman of his former GCA. It was during the miraculous Dubose years when the UTU Constitution really didn;t mean much. Of course Dubose had three of them just to confuse the issues and the members. How does that happen in an organization that is supposed to report to the DOL on elections, resignations and reappointments to former positions??? Mr. Williams should just keep his big fat ignorant mouth shut and let someone who actually can run the Bus Department do his job.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:12 PM

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You UTES sure hate each other!

by Anonymous

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Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:34 PM

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THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR!!

by after August, they will be out playing golf!!

Have you been watching the National campaigning? When it comes to dirty politics, UTUs is mild compared to the US Presidental elections. All is fair in love and elections!!

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 6:03 AM

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IS VIC WILLING TO MOVE TO CLEVELAND?

by leaving LA for the bitter cold of Cleveland

I don't see that happening!!! James Williams left,
Percy Palmer left and so will VIC Baboonie. No one
in LA likes Cleveland. That is the reality because the Bus Department will not be moved to LA in this lifetime.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:50 AM

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Hey, Vic I have a good pair of SNOW BOOTS you can have!!

by David Hakey and Paul Thompson

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Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 8:05 PM

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Teamsters Fire People, too!

by Beyond the Next Bend

So everyone’s upset because our “duly elected leaders” have been fired by the President of the organization. How callous! How heavy-handed! Things will be much better with the Teamsters, right? They wouldn’t do such a thing, would they? Well, yes they would, and they do. A great site called Teamsters For a Democratic Union candidly bears all in a effort to expose goings-on in the Teamsters executive ranks. Here you can find all kinds of information regarding Finances, and who’s “in” and who’s “out”. The site features one article on Hoffa’s childhood friend and long time supporter, who was fired to the surprise of insiders. According to the site, Hoffa has fired another, supposedly for retaliation because he ran as an independent candidate for Eastern Vice President. Recently, two “top associates of James Hoffa” were charged with criminal contempt. So think again if you think joining the Teamsters will protect you from corruption and cronyism. Out of the frying pan and into the fire! Happy surfing.

The TCRC have their own axes to grind. After the former president fell out of favour, he is targeted as being responsible for the VIA fiasco. Charges stem from “improper collaboration with the employer”. The Cult accuses (unsubstantiated) that our President is in bed with the employer, and the TCRC does the same thing with theirs, in writing, in a document that runs thirty four pages. Changing to the TCRC doesn’t sound like much of an upgrade to me.

Speaking of firing, did you know that our “duly elected leaders” fired our VP? How can that happen? Not sure, but it did. VP John was summarily removed from the CROA and DR committee by the GCs, thank you very much. Interesting, considering VP John was the President’s appointee and the International pays the bill for CROA.

So is the grass is greener on the other side of the fence? Maybe it looks greener, but I bet the water bill is higher!

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:14 PM

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Re: Teamsters Fire People, too!

by anonymous

do you have a clew what you are talking about? well no one else does,or really gives a shit

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:44 PM

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As ROCU is to BLET, NOTHING

by TDU is the same to the Teamsters

Bunch no load never done nothing but bitch about their union. Both are more than likely management plants as all they bring is division.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:42 AM

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Do not believe the election numbers!!

by hey

They mean nothing!! The BLET owes CN/VIA Rail conductor tens of millions of dollars and we are still fighting for the CN members!! No way that the men up there would vote against us!! These numbers are concocted!!

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:04 PM

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bu-bye utu

by Anonymous

Who should represent Conductors, Yardpersons and Yardmasters at CN Rail?
Teamsters Canada
328 84.1%

UTU Canada
26 6.7%

CAW
19 4.9%

Sheetmetal Workers
11 2.8%

United Steelworkers
6 1.5%

Number of Voters : 390
First Vote : Tuesday, 12 June 2007 22:18
Last Vote : Sunday, 01 July 2007 17:45

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 8:39 PM

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Representation Election

by Vernon Award

What a novel approach. A Representational Election that doesn't try to establish a new class of service to fix the election. The utu can choak on it's own venom and just fade away.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 8:57 PM

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There has been no election!!

by UTU 4 Ever!

Nothing to see here, folks. Move on.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:22 PM

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Jefferson CIty retiree researching lives of railroaders

by anonymous

Some of the most interesting-and ignored-people in the USA today.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/872C8B34379318F98625730A001AC34A?OpenDocument

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 7:39 PM

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"Some of the most interesting-and ignored-people in the USA today"? He needs help with his

by spelling. Should be intestinal and ignorant!

I do understand why people ignore rails.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:17 PM

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That's because your a pencil neck manager insanely jealous of real rails.

by anonymous

And you must have contempt for "the enemy" to perform your duties as a glorified thug.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:34 AM

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Your tax dollars hard at work at Amtrak

June 28, 2007

Northeast Corridor Service Operations Staff Vacation in Saybrook!

Sending Uncle Sam an ESTIMATED $29,520 bill for their “retreat.”

Hey Northeast Corridor employees!

Wondering where all of our leaders are the past few days?

They were on their “summer retreat” at a beachside resort in Saybrook, Connecticut.

Here’s the current price tag for the American Taxpayer.

· 36 rooms X $300. per night = $10, 800. (Don’t believe their fib about the discount. What hotel/motel/resort in their right mind would allow anyone to have 36 rooms at $100. per night the week before the 4th of July?

· Estimated 324 X $20. per catered meal for staff and guests = $ 6,480. (Does not include gratuities to resort staff and resort activities director)

· Estimated cost of “special duty” managers used to “fill in” for real managers during this “retreat.” 17 special duty X average $240. per day X three days = $12, 240. Some special duty trainmasters/service managers receiving their LOST WAGES from regular assignments!

*Monday June 25, 2007 - Amtrak #175 dead west of New Haven, ENGINE FAILURE

*Tuesday June 26, 2007 – Amtrak #174 dead at CP 216, ENGINE FAILURE delays 5 other Amtrak trains up to two hours.

*Wednesday June 27, 2007 – Amtrak # 179 dead at Providence, Rhode Island, ENGINE FAILURE

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 4:42 PM

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Hats off to the hard working men and women of Amtrak!

by Americas real professional railroaders

They don't need the BLE.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:12 PM

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Have terror attacks on railroads already began?

by anonymous

Some amateurish terror attacks if so-but keep you eyes open guys.
http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/01/17/why-second-fiery-train-crash-in-kentucky-in-two-days/

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 4:18 PM

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Terrorist Attacks on Railroaders have been going on since 1969

by Anonymous

IT's the UTU, stupid.

Not SMART.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:20 PM

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This occured six months ago. If terrorists wanted you dead, you would be history.

by If you're scared, drive a bread truck!

Probably some operational errors caused these incidents. Yes, if everyone were more attentive, there would be less accidents.

Maybe you should change occupations? Unless you're a conductor, then changes are in the works for you, compliments of your UTU!

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:51 PM

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This is some news you are really not going to want to hear but...

by anonymous

railroads are a totally logical terrorist target. And if there are some amateurs out there making their first attacks I hope they catch them soon because they are bound to get better at the game. But go ahead and bury your head in the sand if that is what you must do. I have been through hairy shit before and I know for a fact that belligerent loudmouths like you are the first to run when the game gets rough.

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:40 AM

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HAHS and PIERCE

by anonymous

hahs wearing stripes and pierce in bnsf labor relations........while real blet members wear belt packs and brake sticks and continue to operate loud,vibrating,filthy locomotives for $24, and now get off and throw switches,tie handbrakes, operate engines remotely........h&w match continues to increase and co-pays double and wages are stagnant........and dues go up....thanks for selling us out....don and dennis, 2 stupid,2 scared,2 corrupt,2insulated......... 2 bad we all must suffer their incompetence.....

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:54 AM

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Re: HAHS and PIERCE

by anonymous

sounds like sour grapes from a soon to be gone road conductor,get over it the yard engineers had to

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 1:02 PM

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Re: HAHS and PIERCE

by anonymous

what the hell do you think the crew consist is for?

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 3:57 PM

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Why dont you tell us who you are, So

by We will all know we dont have to give a shit

You are either a sour grapes conductor who belongs to a loooooser UTU, or a ROCU loooooser, which looooooser is it.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 7:27 PM

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I'm ROCUTU

by Sour Grapes Moron

How'd you know?

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:23 PM

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Where is my contract?

by utu member in good standing

Instead of calling the other organization names, maybe you should be working on our contract

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:57 PM

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Best PEB in 30 Years

by That s what Paul has in store for you

If you convinces UTU's members that a Bush PEB can be good, he is really in the wrong line of work. He should be selling bridges, or UTU's membership should be drug tested for letting him slip it in again.

DATE RAPE

Posted on Jul 2, 2007, 8:44 AM

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VIC BABOONIE CAMPAIGN LETTER-REVISED

by david hakey and james williams supporters

From: Victor G. Babooni, Vice General Chairman GO 875

Yo! Sisters and Brothers:

I present myself to you as the Main Man for the office of Vice-President, Director of the Bus Department, of the United Transportation Union.

I have been a member of this great Union since 1974 and became directly active in Union affairs when elected Legislative Representative of Local 1565; subsequently being elected Chairman of the State Legislative Board in 1992. In 1987 I was elected Vice Chairman of Local 1608 and then elected Local Chairman in 1994, a position I still hold. I have been stuck in this damn position because I want James Williams position but that man will never retire. He gets all the perks and I get shit!!

Since 1987, I have had an active personal involvement, now please understand that involve means just that. I sit in a chair in the corner and listen while our great attorney's do all of the work, but anyway our attorneys were able to achieved contract compliance and protection of the rights of our members. I have, once again, my chair in the corner, been involved in hundreds of discipline hearings, investigations, pre-arbitration settlements and arbitrations. I greatly appreciate our attorney's great work for the members of MTA.

I have been a member of the Negotiating Team for labor contracts on the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority property in 1997, 2000, 2003 and 2006 and I am currently Vice General Chairman of the General Committee. I have not actually been chief spokesman but I can learn something. I learnt you never disagree with your bosses always do what you are told, don't make waves.

In addition to my duties as Vice General Chairman and California State Legislative Board Chairman, I serve as a Trustee on Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority Pension Investment and Executive Boards and the Health Insurance Trust, overseeing benefits for approximately 5,000 members. Remember, this job does not really entail much but looking over a piece of paper every quarter and putting my initials at the bottom. In the past I have attended Department of Motor Vehicle conferences, working on safety provisions for Public Transit Vehicles, overseeing accident investigation procedures and attending hearings involving light and heavy rail and dedicated busways and getting my driver's license renewed.

This position was really not that important, but I thought I would mention anyway in order to take up some space. Recently I was appointed to represent the UTU in Washington, D.C. by Mary E. Peters, Secretary of Transportation, on a Committee making recommendations to Congress regarding Commercial Drivers Licenses. This job is imporant to me because my buddy David Hakey, said that I could easily be elected if I was on this committee. David Hakey has made some promises to me and wants to move the entire bus department to LA so that the small Bus locals can directly report to me, their future BOSS. He even gave me a little black bag at our last meeting. Anyway, I and James Williams will run this Bus Department with very little regard for other Bus locals. We want to control everything, right Brother Hakey and Williams?

I take great pride in the manner in which I have been able to represent the members of this Union, individually and collectively, and with the support of Brother Hakey and James Williams, who basicly tells me what to do. If he said I can lead THEN, by damn I can lead!!! He is the man!! Yes, I can do this, right Brother Williams??

I ask for your support and your vote. I am the part of the problem with the Bus Department and this great Union. Together, my local, will control the Bus Department and strength to my local as a whole. The Bus membership deserves the best representation, which they are currently receiving, but I have to run anyway since I was told to do so. I want to express my appreciation to Brother Hakey and Williams for their support and assistance for my election as Vice President and Director of the Bus Department.

Fraternally,

Victor G. Babooni
Vice-General Chairman GO 875

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:42 AM

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Funny stuff, is this guy for real??

by you can't take those attorneys with you.

eom

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:52 AM

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what a tale

by These peole are full of it!

dam these mexicans from Los Angeles will do anything to get elected!

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 12:11 PM

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are these guys Hakey's friends?

by They are SOBs just like Thompson and Hakey

If this guy is being supported by David Hakey then I know who my local will vote for and it is no one who is supported by that SOB.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 6:38 PM

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Is there really a Vic Baboonie running for office?

by this guy could be Frank Wilner's replacement!

His story writing is almost as good as Frank's.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 12:23 PM

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For The Record

by Supporters of Roy Arnold

I do not condone the actions nor approve whoever put this article on this site, per Roy Arnold, V.P. Elect of the Bus Department.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 4:43 PM

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Accept Roy Wrote It

by Anonymous

eom

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 5:22 PM

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Disgruntled MTA member?

by I hope Vic gets Franks job he'll make good $$

eom

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 5:33 PM

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How did Williams escape the embezzlement?

by inquiring minds want to know.

I can't see how Williams was not arrested along with the fall guy Issacs for the embezzlement of funds? How did you do it Williams? did Hakey pull some strings??

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 5:32 PM

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no more International Officer

by ALL UTU SMALL LOCALS

Under the merger you will not ever have an International officer. The large Rail and Bus locals will rule they simply will have more delegates than you.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 9:30 AM

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stupid merger

by Stupis is as stupid does

Let''s all hear it for the administrations story on the STUPID merger agreement. I have never seen a document of such reported importance with so few details. I wonder if anyone alive from the UTU merger would like to sompare this drecht with the Unification Agreement. What a difference. Apparently there isn''t anyone left at the International who can actually write an agreement and dot all the I''s and cross all the T''s. Instead this crap is pushed out to us telling us what a great deal it is. Look at the amount of money that the sheetmetal workers pay their VP''s as opposed to what the UTU pays theirs. 43,000 to 137,000 no wonder they still have a treasury. Then look at the amount of money they pay their International Reps. They get 108,000 and there are a bunch of them and now they want to turn the rest of our VP''s into these International Reps and Organizers. Looks like another windfall for the administration. What about UTUIA?? That stays separate but pays salaries for the top 6 officers going over to SMART......sure sounds stupid to me. VOTE NO for STUPID!!

STUPID (aka)STUPID THOMPSON UNDER PRESIDENTIAL DESGUISE

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:53 AM

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CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS WRONG WITH WHAT WE HAVE??

by WHY MUST WE MERGER??

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Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:25 AM

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NOTHING

by utu member

once we get rid of these bozos in office then we should be okay and we will have not need to merge.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 12:01 PM

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Trainmen are not expected to be around much longer and the UTU needs a dues base.

by The bitter truth

This is the buzz a certain UTU was putting out ten years ago.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 1:27 PM

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Re: Trainmen are not expected to be around much longer and the UTU needs a dues base.

by anonymous

WE HAVE CREW CONSIST THAT ASSURES A TRAINMAN ON EVERY JOB,YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT READ

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 3:56 PM

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you speeled consist wrong, it contits

by utu speeling be champeion

yo is makeing us lok bad

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 11:00 PM

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x

by Anonymous

x

Posted on Jul 3, 2007, 11:31 PM

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Here story about CSX

by Anonymous

CSX shipping 300 jobs out of Jacksonville

Local train dispatchers, signalmen and managers will be affected by the shift

By URVAKSH KARKARIA, The Times-Union

CSX Corp. plans to idle up to 300 local jobs as it shunts the majority of its train dispatch operations outside the state.
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The Jacksonville work will, over the next two years, be moved to existing offices in Baltimore; Nashville; Huntington, W. Va.; Cincinnati; Florence, S.C.; and Atlanta.

Once the transfer of work is completed in August 2009, the Jacksonville operation will employ about 54 train dispatchers.

Jacksonville-based CSX has four dispatch centers, located in the Midwest and East Coast, responsible for routing trains along its tracks. Most dispatchers have been concentrated in Jacksonville since 1988, when the company established a centralized operating facility that oversees the entire network.

The relocation will improve the productivity and efficiency of train dispatching operations, CSX spokesman Gary Sease said Friday.

"We're taking these dispatching functions out of headquarters," Sease said, "and putting them into field offices, closer to where the train operations occur."

The realignment will result in more effective and efficient decision-making, improved system reliability and improved train performance, CSX said in a notice to train dispatchers.

While train dispatchers - who, on average, make nearly $35 an hour, or almost $73,000 annually - will be mostly affected by the relocation of work, about 25 local signalmen would also see their jobs moved. Signalmen, among other things, maintain the dispatching equipment and respond to problems with railroad crossing signals and gates. About 10 percent of the affected workers are in management.

Workers will be offered jobs in the new locations, Sease said.

urvaksh.karkaria@jacksonville.com,

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 8:53 AM

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I spy.....

by Anonymous

Membershit 1 baking in the florida sun..... at Byron's Boy Toy Storage

http://tinyurl.com/239ro9

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 2:21 AM

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SORRY THE AERIAL DOES NOT CONFIRM!!

by Still think it was sold to pay off Boyd!!

your aerial do not prove anything. Can make out what those
buses are. need an up close and personal photo.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 6:50 AM

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MONEY WENT TO

by MEMBERSHIP 1 SOLD

THOMPSON, HAKEY, AND SELECT OTHERS. THEY POCKETED THE MONEY. NICE CHUNK OF CHANGE HUH?

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 10:55 AM

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CSX Firing 300

by Anonymous

Anyone heard that CSX firing 300 managers? Heard rumor today.

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 1:03 AM

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I heard it was 300 trainmen

by The Lone Hogger

looks like crew contits wasn't what utu thought it was

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 1:35 AM

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It not operating job

by Anonymous

CSX shipping 300 jobs out of Jacksonville

Local train dispatchers, signalmen and managers will be affected by the shift

By URVAKSH KARKARIA, The Times-Union

CSX Corp. plans to idle up to 300 local jobs as it shunts the majority of its train dispatch operations outside the state.
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The Jacksonville work will, over the next two years, be moved to existing offices in Baltimore; Nashville; Huntington, W. Va.; Cincinnati; Florence, S.C.; and Atlanta.

Once the transfer of work is completed in August 2009, the Jacksonville operation will employ about 54 train dispatchers.

Jacksonville-based CSX has four dispatch centers, located in the Midwest and East Coast, responsible for routing trains along its tracks. Most dispatchers have been concentrated in Jacksonville since 1988, when the company established a centralized operating facility that oversees the entire network.

The relocation will improve the productivity and efficiency of train dispatching operations, CSX spokesman Gary Sease said Friday.

"We're taking these dispatching functions out of headquarters," Sease said, "and putting them into field offices, closer to where the train operations occur."

The realignment will result in more effective and efficient decision-making, improved system reliability and improved train performance, CSX said in a notice to train dispatchers.

While train dispatchers - who, on average, make nearly $35 an hour, or almost $73,000 annually - will be mostly affected by the relocation of work, about 25 local signalmen would also see their jobs moved. Signalmen, among other things, maintain the dispatching equipment and respond to problems with railroad crossing signals and gates. About 10 percent of the affected workers are in management.

Workers will be offered jobs in the new locations, Sease said.

urvaksh.karkaria@jacksonville.com,

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Re: CSX Firing 300

by anonymous

AND YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 3:14 PM

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ONCE AGAIN RODGER COMES ON THIS ROOM AND WANTS TO DO EVERTHING NEGTIVE!!!!!

by CHARLIE BROWN

RODGER WOULD COMPLAIN IF SOMEBODY GIVE HIM THE TOP LINE PILLO TOP MATRESS FREE HE SELLS IN HIS MATRESS STORE WHILE HE DRAW RRB DISBILTY MONEY FOR RUNNING RED BOARD!!!!THE SMART MERGER IS A VERY GOOD THING FOR US!!!!!!!VOTE YES AND SOT LISTEN TO THE CRYBABYS!!!

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 7:37 PM

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Your Bed of Nails

by Charlie Brown is still a looser!!

Your have been sleeping on a Bed of Nails if you think this membership is going to vote for this Merger. There are too many negatives and there is proof that the BOD was not given the entire story regarding the vote for the MERGER. Until questions are answer this MERGER is never something UTU will be a part of. As far as Roger is concerned, he is the least of your worries. He is only one man, now what about the rest of us?? Charlie no one is listening to you.

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Re: ONCE AGAIN RODGER COMES ON THIS ROOM AND WANTS TO DO EVERTHING NEGTIVE!!!!!

by Anonymous

Charlie, youre still an ignorant, illiterate ignoramus.
(and I hope you can read this)

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 8:22 PM

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Can't the utu buy you a spell-checker?

by good grief, charley brown!!!

?

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 1:47 AM

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Where is the constitution, charley brown?

by utu member in good standing

good grief!!!

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charley brown and hakey are both queers that like to cross dress

by Anonymous

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Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 2:06 AM

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Make the SMART choice, vote for Rodger!!!

by if for no other reason...

than to piss charley brown off

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 2:14 AM

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Excuse me Mr. Brown, what are your thoughts on POO?

by Undecided...

Correct me if I am wrong, but there is nothing better than a good, healthy POO! Don't you agree?

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 2:21 AM

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All the more reason to vote "NO" to the merger!

by Roger Griffeth

"What do you mean I can't complain? I was just getting started"

Now I get it! I knew it wouldn't take me long to figure out why Thompson really wanted the SMART merger. I also understand why the Board of Directors came on-board so quick.

The following quote is Section 10 of the SMWIA Constitution:

SECTION 10--RESPONSIBILITY

"SEC. 10. It is the obligation and responsibility of every officer, member, local union and council of this Association, to comply with the provisions of this Constitution and the valid decisions of the officers of this Association in conformity therewith and they shall refrain from any conduct which interferes with the performance by the Association or its subordinate units of their obligations under law or contract or from any conduct which defeats or is designed to defeat or subvert the lawfully declared and established policies and objectives of this Association, or which may defame it or any of its officers, members or subordinate units." (Emphasis Mine)

From the above it appears that the SMWIA have adopted a military codes of conduct that requires every member to march in lockstep as order by their superior officers. The problem with an army, by definition, there is no democracy. There is no legitimate reason to move from a union that permits free speech and the organized efforts of officers and members to dissent to a union that specifically prohibits it.

The UTU Constitution once had a similar restriction against speaking out, however it was removed from our Constitution. Obvisouly, we now have a very important conflict between our UTU Constitution and the SMWIA Constitution. If for no other reason than to protect their right to speak out, the Members should vote "NO" to the merger..

If the merger passes, MAC (Members of Corruption) would have to fold-up shop and go home. I would have to take down MAC's web site, my Reformit2004 web site, and my campaign web site and learn how to bit my tongue like everyone else.

I happen to enjoy my right and my responsibility to defame certain officers, members, and subordinate units, when the need arises to do so. As a matter of fact and record, our officers enjoy this right as well.

"Refrain from any conduct"? Now I understand why the members of the Sheetmetal Workers were not allowed to vote on the merger. What good would it do for a member to have an opinion opposing the merger? If a member did disagree, they must "refrain from any conduct" that might allow them to protest or ask questions.

Note: At the 41st General Convention of the SWMIA (2004), President Sullivan, GS&T Kelly and 11 members of the General Executive Council were returned to office by the delegates for another five (5) year term (UTU has a four (4) year term). While the delegates could have nominated other candidates, none were nominated? Sweet deal for the officers - opposition permitted, but no dissention?

Under the SMART Constitution I would not be able to hand MAC booklets or my campaign literature, as both are full of defaming comments about the leadership of the UTU and how our leaders have failed to fulfill the objectives of our UTU. The delegates wouldn't be able to discuss Thompson's, Hakey's, Johnson's, or Futhey's involvement in the "UTU Enterprise", or speak to concerns about Babler's per diem. I just think that stinks. If the merger passes it's good thing the merger won't go into effect until January 1, 2008.

One small step (forward) for the officers of SMART, one big step (backwards) for the UTU Membership.

"My name is Roger Griffeth, I am running for the office of UTU President. If elected I will not only allow free speech, I will allocate space in both the UTU News and the UTU Web Site for members to disagree with any decision made by any officer, Board, Committee, including myself."

Agree or disagree? Let me hear from you. rogergriffeth@tds.net

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:43 PM

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SELL THE CONDO AND OFFICE IN DC

by INSIDER

WHEN THE OFFICER'S PENSION FUND WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL LAW THEY JUST SOLD THE OFFICE IN WASHINGTON AND THE CONDO IN WASHINGTON ALSO TO FUND THE PENSION.

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 7:56 PM

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Who sold the Condo?

by Inquiring Minds want to know?

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Thanks for the Info Sam

by Hale Yes

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Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 8:24 PM

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SICKO

by anonymous

fear and bullshit corruption with healthcare............hahs and pierce are the errand boys of the class 1's.............every member should watch sicko, and think of hahs and pierce bragging about trading our wage increases for years for our h&w

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:14 PM

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Re: SICKO

by anom

why did people vote it in?

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:24 PM

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Re: SICKO

by ANONYMOUS

JUST STAY IN THE utu,YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH THE PEB

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:25 PM

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The United States National Health Insurance Act, H.R. 676

by “Expanded & Improved Medicare For All”

http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm

In 2003, Rep. Conyers first introduced HR 676, the United States National Health Insurance Act. Under HR 676, Medicare would be extended and improved so that all individuals residing in the United States would receive high quality and affordable health care services. They would receive all medically necessary services by the physicians of their choice, with no restrictions on what providers they could visit. If implemented, the United States National Health Insurance Act would cover primary care, dental, mental health, prescription drugs, and long term care.

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:51 PM

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Take Healthcare out of the hands of Corporations and Unions

by you dumbasses should pay attention!

eom

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:52 PM

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Gosh, its so simple. Utopian health care for a utopian world!

by Why havent they done this sooner!

The solution isnt that simple or it would have been done by now.

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 7:24 PM

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LIBERALS THINK IT'S UTOPIA. INTELLIGENT PEOPLE CALL IT WHAT IT IS..............

by SOCIALISM!

ASK COMRADE HILLERY

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the future of blet

by choochoo

hahs will join boyd in prison.......pierce will take job with his real boss BNSF management......real engineers will barely recognize their craft because of "deals" made by stupid,fearful, self-serving "leaders".....

Posted on Jun 30, 2007, 6:13 PM

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Re: the future of blet

by Anonymous

yeah, yeah. moving on now........

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Re: the future of blet

by anonymous

stay in the utu looser,hope you got engineers seniority

Posted on Jul 1, 2007, 3:16 PM

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Griffeth Running Scared

by Anonymous

He deletes anything he doesn't like and uses it to anonymously trash his opponents.

We have caught on to his Bullshit. He is running scared - see his like postings trying to say it is Hakey or Futhey.

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Freedom RailForum is run by David Hakey - Boycott it

by Anonymous

He deletes anything he doesn't like and uses it to anonymously trash his opponents.

We have caught on to his Bullshit. He is running scared - see his like postings trying to say it is Griffeth or Futhey.

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He deletes anything he doesn't like and uses it to anonymously trash his opponents.

We have caught on to his Bullshit. He is running scared - see his like postings trying to say it is Griffeth or Futhey.

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He deletes anything he doesn't like and uses it to anonymously trash his opponents.

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