Pride

-–all that commit sin have a proud and haughty spirit (Pro 16:18)
Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

--those that are proud are an abomination to God (Pro 16:5)
Pro 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

--those that are proud in heart will cause strife (Pro 28:25)
Pro 28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.

--the proud love the praise of men (Joh 12:43)
Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

--where there is contention there is pride (Pro 13:10)
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.

--God resists the proud but to the humble gives grace to help live holy (1Pet 5:5, Heb 4:16)
1Pe 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

--you are commanded to humble yourself (Jam 4:10)
Jam 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

--the beginning of wisdom is to hate pride (Pro 8:13)
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogance, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Qwerty,

If you are going to a espouse all these "truths" why don't you post the SCRIPTURE that goes with it not just the chapter, verse, and number?

It actually comes off a bit proud when all I can take away from your posts is 'what Qwerty said'.

Thanks for the tip. I think that is a good idea.

Great, don't forget to include the context too. It's probably the most important element when teaching from the Bible.

What do you mean by context? The surrounding scriptures, or a sentence on what I consider the context of the scripture to be.

I consider Qwerty to be boasting and proud of his spirituality.

Most good Bible teachers that I trust and learn from understand context to be,,,,
A historical background for the setting plus the surrounding words and passages, and the circumstances in which the teaching took place.

Paris
"A historical background for the setting plus the surrounding words and passages, and the circumstances in which the teaching took place."

And you feel like this should be provided every time a person quotes a scripture?

>I consider Qwerty to be boasting and proud of his spirituality.<<

sarcasm alert Qwerty proud? You don't say. I mean just because he posts long articles (written by himself, of course) on how all of us should model our spirituality, doesn't make him proud, does it? I mean, he did admit to possibly being wrong, didn't he? sarcasm alert off

But yeah, I do find it a little funny when someone tells you to read an article (written by himself) in order so that you will learn to be more humble...

Yes as much as possible. It is incumbent on a Bible teacher to know what they are teaching. Wouldn't it be the teachers fault if they taught someone the wrong thing?

I had a pastor one time tell me in these words "I'm really humble"...I can't remember what we were talking about but my 8 year old son laughed at him....

Paris
"I had a pastor one time tell me in these words "I'm really humble"...I can't remember what we were talking about but my 8 year old son laughed at him...."

I think that the more spiritual a person becomes the less spiritual they will realize they are. How ever I think that if a person has problems with pride and they received help from the Lord in that area it would be okey to testify to that. It would probably be better to say you are have less pride that to say you have more humility.

Paul testified to having served the Lord in all humility (Act 10:9).

>>I mean just because he posts long articles (written by himself, of course) on how all of us should model our spirituality, doesn't make him proud, does it?<<

Yeah, does he even have time to go to the bathroom, or spend time with the family, if in fact he does have one?

I might as well add in here some on Humility

--have a proper attitude toward the weaknesses and failings you see in others and discuss them with God only

--don’t be proud about any abilities or understanding you have (Jam 4:6)
Jam 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

--if discussing your spiritual victories with others temper them with your needs and a request for prayer

--shun the praise of men, love to be unknown, unseen, and seek God’s favor not man’s (Joh 5:44)
Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?

--love to be instructed (Pro 12:1)
Pro 12:1 Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish.

--don’t dress to be noticed

--remember God will judge you the way you judge others (Mat 7:2)
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

--you should profess you are a unprofitable servant and you have only done that which was your duty (Luk 17:10).

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

I always thought that humility could not be sought like a prize, or recognized when you looked in a mirror. It is a state of being that a person comes to unconciously. The truly humble would never acknowledge themselves as being humble. Hmm.............. maybe the same thing applies to holiness?

Brent R

"I always thought that humility could not be sought like a prize, or recognized when you looked in a mirror."

The Bible instructs us to humble ourselves so if it tells to do that there must be a way to do it. Also we are told to put on humbleness of mind (Col 3:12).

"It is a state of being that a person comes to unconciously."

I think it is a fruit that we are to endeavor to possess.

"The truly humble would never acknowledge themselves as being humble."

Paul professed to serve "the Lord with all humility of mind" so how would you deal with that. Would you say that Paul was not truly humble?

"Hmm.............. maybe the same thing applies to holiness?"

And some might say perhaps to all other fruit of the spirit?

I think what ever we feel or profess we should all profess the following and not from a head knowledge but from the heart.

Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

Qwerty, I am not Paul and would never think to aspire to the status of an apostle! I feel the need to follow Christ, if humility falls upon me, it will come as snow from the sky, not from my own conscious endeavors. If I seek to truly live for Christ maybe I will gain some level of Holiness, but to come out and publicy proclaim my humility and holiness? That just seems so wrong.

Brent U
"I feel the need to follow Christ, if humility falls upon me, it will come as snow from the sky, not from my own conscious endeavors."

What do you do then with the scripture injunctions to humble yourself and to put on humility.

Jam 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

"If I seek to truly live for Christ maybe I will gain some level of Holiness, but to come out and publicy proclaim my humility and holiness?"

I don't think anyone is advocating that. I certainly am not. How ever we are told to prefect holiness in the fear of God.

2Co 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ah hum.........i too for one can say that i also am very proud of my humility!

grace
I think a person can be proud of any thing including proud of their false humility.

I once told an Amish brother that the Amish boys that race their two wheel cart and horses into a lather against each other can be just a proud doing that as the worldy city boy that races his candy apple red Ford Mustang down the strip.

I was being sarcastic qwerty....it was suppose to be a short version of my interpretation of your posts on this thread.
"I" (grace) will say that you, "qwerty" can spurt off many verses on pride and be the proudest person
thinking you are much better then others who are caught up in the sin of pride....see the ironic nature of that comment? My guess is you don't if it pertains to you!
Frankly, hon, I'm tired of hearing your self indulgent ideas and would like to hear more about what you struggle with, or get real and talk about how you put all these posts into action in your own life. I would love to hear you talk about someone else in edification or lift someone else up for a change without tearing them apart before or after the sincere compliment.
Sheesh, I know you may have some good points, and I am sure I can learn something from you, just the same as you can from anyone else who posts here. There isn't one person here who doesn't have better knowledge on some area of the Bible then you do and who puts it into action. The ironic thing is that most of the people I know who are dead on in an area usually don't go around preaching it, they live it and that speaks for itself, teaching me, and instilling a desire in me to know what they know.

grace
"Frankly, hon, I'm tired of hearing your self indulgent ideas and would like to hear more about what you struggle with, or get real and talk about how you put all these posts into action in your own life."

My struggles, which I have many, are personal I keep them just between me and the Lord.

I get enough flack from the flesh loving crowd here for just posting what the Bible teaches, that is enough of an offense to them. I think I would just be opening up myself to ridicule if I started sharing the things I do to put the Bible into action in my own life.

I think for me it is best to just post the results of my Bible studies on different subjects. Paul said he taught Christ and not himself (2Cor 4:5).

Qwerty; what makes you think we are not holy or humble ? We may live the exact same life as you do; but not claim to be humble or holy, as you have found yourself to be several years ago.

In fact, I agree with you in many areas you bring up; its just that I cannot get myself to claim the righteousness you do; while at the same time you say you are unrighteous and need Jesus every day ????

True holiness is to acknowledge our need and then by faith apply the substitutionary atonement of Christ to our life. It is then, and only then, that God sees us as truly holy. Otherwise all our being, doing and thinking is as filthy rags compared to almighty God.

>>It would probably be better to say you have less pride than to say you have more humility.<<

Qwerty who would I say either of those two things to and not feel like I was boasting?

Hank
"Qwerty; what makes you think we are not holy or humble ?"

I am not sure what you mean by we. When I spoke of the flesh loving crowd I was not referring to all here but those that clearly despise holiness.

"We may live the exact same life as you do; but not claim to be humble or holy, as you have found yourself to be several years ago."

I don't think I have make any claims to be humble. And if I have stated anywhere that I was holy, which I don't think I have, it would only be by the grace of God and not by works and would be imparted holiness not my own.

"In fact, I agree with you in many areas you bring up; its just that I cannot get myself to claim the righteousness you do; while at the same time you say you are unrighteous and need Jesus every day ????"

I have not stated I am unrighteous but I have professed to be unworthy and unprofitable and clearly I need Christ every moment of the day as a branch can not bare fruit except it abide in Christ the vine (Joh 15:4). I have never met a saved person that has professed that they don't need Jesus every moment of the day.

"True holiness is to acknowledge our need and then by faith apply the substitutionary atonement of Christ to our life."

True holiness (Eph 4:24) is to put on the new man which is of the image (Col 3:10) and likeness of him that created us (Gen 1:26) in the beginning.

This new man is put on by putting off the old man (Eph 4:22) that is crucified with Christ at salvation (Rom 6:6). This will destroy the body of sin that we henceforth should no longer be a servant of sin. He who commits sin is a servant of sin (Joh 8:32).

"It is then, and only then, that God sees us as truly holy."

Any holiness we have is not our own it is imputed and imparted by Christ and requires that we keep connected to the vine very moment of the day.

"Otherwise all our being, doing and thinking is as filthy rags compared to almighty God."

Amen to that!!!

Paris
"Qwerty who would I say either of those two things to and not feel like I was boasting?"

I realize that we have been taught that it is proud to profess any thing but [the false experience of] being "a sinner saved by grace".
[Edited for clarity]

I would not suggest any one profess that they are "humble". However I think a person could testify that they had a problem with pride and God is helping them to do better and those that are spiritual would understand what they meant.

I think with any testimony of having obtained any fruit of the Spirit we should include a "by the grace of God".

Yes,,, Qwert-Myster,,that's where this teaching comes in handy.


>>--the proud love the praise of men (Joh 12:43)
Joh 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.<<

pfsh..shewprte hethes spew (tongues)


I want to be humble some day, but I simply don't have time now. I am simply going to have to look to qwerty and wish I could be like him.
(interpretation)

Paris
"that's where this teaching comes in handy >>--the proud love the praise of men (Joh 12:43)"

I agree fully, thank you for pointing that out. That is an area that I am working on my self.

I have had a number of thoughts on this point lately. When ever we are presenting with any of the following thoughts we are being tempted with pride and if we give into it we show we have pride that needs to go.

When ever we need praise or appreciation from people to continue doing some thing for them.

When some one brings out a good spiritual thought and we thing, why didn't I think of that, that was a good thought.

When every we try to find a scripture during Bible study first before any one else so we will appear to know our Bible well.

When we try to dominate the conversation.

When ever we want people to tell us that our spiritual thoughts were very good thoughts.

There are two very good chapters on humility in Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life by William Law. I am currently reading Humility by Andrew Murray which is another interesting book. William Law's book is the best writing on humility I have ever read.
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/law/serious_call.xviii.html
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/law/serious_call.xix.html

qwerty, don't misunderstand me, I am not knocking you. But there is more to life than dotting the i's and crossing the t's of doctrine.


I have a friend that is a great spinal manipulator. I used to walk funny and my shoes wore crooked, she set my spine right and now my shoes wear even.

Anyway, I read through her books tht she used to to get the training to "do it" and asked her questions, she doesn't know how to explain it. So she learned theory, and then learned how to "do it" and then forgot theory.


I am all for theory on humility and pride, but "living" it is more practical and useful.

ask the last guy that crossed you how you are and you will get a snap shot of your humility

Qwerty I respect you for what you post out here. You reprove sin, you stand for Biblical principles. Some, or shall I say most, of the people here cannot abide plain scripture anymore. They have departed from living faith and are with itching ears looking for teachers that admit to sin and thus soothe their carnal consciences.

I aplaude your courage in the face of this carnality.

oops.

opps agian.

Hi,Alan. I don't think all on here are looking for something to soothe their consciences but I,for one,find it much easier to take teaching from someone I know personally who lives their life according to what they teach. I do have a hard time with this qwerty thing who comes on here from no-one-knows-where and will not reveal anything about himself or his life (which is his privilege,but then keep quiet,thanks) and teaches and teaches and teaches and teaches forever without end when most of us know everything he talks about.I have never met anyone who likes to have another's teaching,whether it's on track or not,stuffed down their throat every day,several times a day.This is a forum for discussion,not an essay by one person.

I think I can follow what you are saying. But I would think it is more apropriate to take life more seriously yourself rather than reprove someone like Qwerty who is promoting Biblical holy living.
For example, I have seen you joking about wanting to go to places and see naked people.
Are you a Holdeman Cupcake?

Fred
"But there is more to life than dotting the i's and crossing the t's of doctrine."

I am not promoting doctrine that has no practical effect on the way we live. I am promoting holy living in word, thought, and deed. That Fred is what life is all about. The two greatest commandments are to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor like you love your self. That is all I am promoting.

I am not promoting some end time teaching, or some special mode of baptism, or some sect as the one and only true church, nor am I promoting myself.

Most flesh loving religious professors hate holy living, hate to hear about it, and hate those that live it. They only want enough religion to sooth their seared consciences. I expect nothing but false accusations, ridicule, and to be made fun of by those that have a religious form but deny the power in the blood to deliver from sin.

"I am all for theory on humility and pride, but "living" it is more practical and useful."

If you apply the "theory" the Bible teaches on humility and against pride you will learn how to have more of the grace of humility and less of pride in your personal life.

"ask the last guy that crossed you how you are and you will get a snap shot of your humility"

I think that would be one way to get a idea of how you are doing with your personal living.

First of all,I wasn't reproving qwerty. I gave up on that long ago. I was telling YOU what I think of him/her/it. Next,yes,you did see me doing that. I wouldn't actually go somewhere like that but I'm definitely not perfect and if someone doesn't approve of what I write may they be without sin that cast the first stone. Last of all,yes, I am a Holdeman but not proud of it.

>>But I would think it is more apropriate to take life more seriously yourself rather than reprove someone like Qwerty who is promoting Biblical holy living.
For example, I have seen you joking about wanting to go to places and see naked people.<<

Just what we need, a Squirty wannabe.

Qwerty, I am not saying that your out to lunch on everything you say, however your I wonder why you feel it is ok to write down every scripture verse and thought spiritually, to me that is also very personal.
I do not believe you can effectively share your day to day life with others without exposing your true spiritual beliefs and values, either by word or action, nor do I take someones spiritual revelations seriously without the creditability of them being honest and open about why and how they transfer their beliefs into their lives.
Take the people in Bible times, we were told how they lived, how God personally moved in their lives, where they were at, or where God had called them to serve...so when they spoke the Word of the Lord, we felt we knew them and trusted them.
I do believe we seem to be rather harsh towards you, but it is because we have no idea where you are coming from, what you hope to accomplish. Your posts are much like the wind howling at my door tonight, constant and tiring, you know you can't stop them, they irritate you and leave you feeling cold, and alone.
Qwerty, you may be a warm loving person, but reading your posts I feel at the core of your beliefs a bigger desire from you to be better then others, then I do a love or passion for Christ. I sense a person driven to collect scripture to prove his point, rather then some one who has a hunger and thirst for more knowledge of Christ. I may be wrong, and sincerely hope I am.
I understand that it may be a type of therapy for you to post here, but please also understand that in order to have support or be effective or taken seriously (to most anybody with the exception of Alan), you must take your self off your soapbox become a tad bit human.

If you apply the "theory" the Bible teaches on humility and against pride you will learn how to have more of the grace of humility and less of pride in your personal life.



qwerty, the absence of "pride" and by that term I mean the carnal kind, it is not some head ducking aphorism that causes you to belittle your own abilities, neither does it refuse to state you are good at a thing ad not good at thing, but true humility accepts the place one lives in and lives in that place with grace and truth.

If you are the boss, then that is true, if you ar the servant or the "employee" then that is true, but humility stays in the place the bible puts you in

The H put me in a pinch for I was commanded by scripture to be the head of my family, but the H preachers not only carnally in uprising usurped my authority, but they made it clear they were not sorry and i would have to repent and quit staying in my place the bible put me in.


If your marriage sucks, then are you not failing to love your wife as Christ loves the church? a specific command my friend, and are you not therefore to proud to submit?

If your kids are in rebellion, then are you not the reason? is it not your pride that equates to their rebellion? not some "freewill" doctrine that makes it not your fault, it all lands on your doorstep! You da papa!





walk carefully my friend, and so fulfill the law of Christ

I listened to the holiness preachers stomp their families and claim "sanctification" till it made me ill, not that I don't necessarily believe in the doctrine, but most assuredly I know of no living person who "sinneth not".








bawar 1Pe 3:15* But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Actually, I should probably revise my statement about Allen. He’s probably a follower.

Squirty, I think you might have just gotten yourself a disciple. Congratulations!

Fred
"I listened to the holiness preachers stomp their families and claim "sanctification" till it made me ill, not that I don't necessarily believe in the doctrine, but most assuredly I know of no living person who "sinneth not"."

What would be your definition of sin? I would hold that the new covenant Bible teaches that it is a willful act of disobedience against a known law of God.

Qwerty.. well .. sin is.. when you know to do good and don't it to him it is sin. I believe that is in James 4:17.

qwerty, you are untouchable, because we simply know nothing about you okay?

The holdeman people generally speaking refuse to hear the truth, you put it to them and they kick you out unless you shut up, so they never sin against a "known law" for they refuse to know the law!

But the bible says we will be judged not by "known law" but rather by "every word" whether known or not!

Well my definition of sin is loosely defined as we as men, are sinners, and God sent his son to "save" us from sin, the sin we committed that hurt us, and caused us a burden, and shame.

But we are still men, and are still prone to lie to get out of a situation, cheat if we can get away with it, take advantage if it seems do-able.

Did you ever get pinched in your life until you lied to make it easier than to explain 15 hours of motives that were simply none of their business asking about in the first place?

Did you ever point in one direction to throw off the inquirer from the truth?

'willful sin" my friend welcome to our club! and quit it!

grace
"however your I wonder why you feel it is ok to write down every scripture verse and thought spiritually, to me that is also very personal."

I am writing short booklet on about 60 practical living subjects. The treasures I find in reading the Bible and practical living books I am applying to my personal Christian walk and then writing about them. I ask my Christian friends for all their spiritual tips and how they have improved their Christian walk. I search and read books on practical Christian living. I am very excited and getting blessed to no end by all the truth the Lord is revealing to me in the Spirit. It is such a pleasure to life for the Lord and to hunger and thirst after more of God.

"but reading your posts I feel at the core of your beliefs a bigger desire from you to be better then others, then I do a love or passion for Christ. I sense a person driven to collect scripture to prove his point, rather then some one who has a hunger and thirst for more knowledge of Christ."

I pass out my studies to selected people and I get very good response but then again most of the people whom I give my studies to are committed Christians and are trying to better there Christian walk.

"I may be wrong, and sincerely hope I am."

Thank you that is very kind of you.

"I understand that it may be a type of therapy for you to post here"

I use this forum as a sounding board. I post my opinions of what the Bible teaches and some times I find out there are not correct. This is a good way to do Bible study, answering objects to what I post concerning my views of what the Bible teaches. Also it is a good way to see the hatred some have for practical holy living. I am also shocked at how much resistance false professors have for the pure practical teachings of Jesus.

"but please also understand that in order to have support or be effective or taken seriously (to most anybody with the exception of Alan), you must take your self off your soapbox become a tad bit human."

I know that God's Word will not return void. If my posts were to help only one person just a small little bit in their spirit life would be more than enough to put up with the false charges and ridicule. I am an ex-street person and I have tough skin. While I am not seeking abuse nor to I have a "martyrs spirit" the abuse don't phase me at all. I pray for my abusers and I am thankful to have a change to show them Christian love in my response to their abuse.

I think the best thing I can say to you grace is just look at the message and forget who the messenger is. I maintain that we should be able to take correction from a rank and file sinner, for a hypocrite, from someone we don't have respect for, or from some one that we feel like we are more spiritual than.

Squirty and Allen?
Yah they’re two of a kind
Put them both together and what do you find?
Well, they know a lot of scripture and what the Bible says
But when it comes to helping people, they get into quite a mess
See, they never figured out the way a person really thinks
So when all they do is reprove someone, they come across as dinks
The two of them were made for each other
And when they finally do embrace
I hope they keep their self righteous comments to themselves
And do a favor for the human race

"The holdeman people generally speaking refuse to hear the truth, you put it to them and they kick you out unless you shut up, so they never sin against a "known law" for they refuse to know the law!"

Typical OTVC reaction. They have the truth, all the truth, and nothing but the truth. All those that are in this state are truly to be pitied.

"But the bible says we will be judged not by "known law" but rather by "every word" whether known or not!"

That is one scripture. But there are more scriptures on this point. I think the Bible is quite clear we will be judged based on what we know not on what we don't know.

Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Rom 14:22,23 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Jam 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

"But we are still men, and are still prone to lie to get out of a situation, cheat if we can get away with it, take advantage if it seems do-able."

That is why we need salvation. To give us deliverance from these things. Godly sorrow, repentance, forsaking of these things.

2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

"Did you ever get pinched in your life until you lied to make it easier than to explain 15 hours of motives that were simply none of their business asking about in the first place?"

Of course, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I have spend most of life as a sinner.

"Did you ever point in one direction to throw off the inquirer from the truth?"

I am very careful about that. Adam Clarke teaches that lying is more than just not telling the truth but purposely leaving someone with a false impression even though you have not told them an out right false hood. Thank you for bring that up!

"'willful sin" my friend welcome to our club! and quit it!"

I believe by the grace of God I am free from that. But thank you for bringing it up. I believe we must be very careful about this. This is a subject which I have been writing about in relationship to doctrine hiding.

I will search my life and be careful that I don't have this any where in my life!

Fred
Thank for you post! I am going to write a paragraph for my booklet on honesty and put that point in it.

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no problem qwerty

one more thing, is to go to the people you "owe" and by that i mean write a list of everyone in your life and "thank them" for "what ever"

And "mean" it! and then ask them is there any "blind spots" in my life you care to share with me about, and remember this proverb:

Pr 1:5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:

Anything worth knowing is not coming out easy, you have to draw it out of them. People will tell you what they really think if you are easy to tell it to, but they will do like the prophet did if you aren't.

15* ¶ So he came to the king. And the king said unto him, Micaiah, shall we go against Ramothgilead to battle, or shall we forbear? And he answered him, Go, and prosper: for the LORD shall deliver it into the hand of the king.
16* And the king said unto him, How many times shall I adjure thee that thou tell me nothing but that which is true in the name of the LORD?

The best of men will tell you what you want to hear unless you really want to know.
Preaching sanctification will take on a new meaning when you get the lessons this exercise will give you, because if you do it right you will find out you are a skunk!

How are you making those sentences <strike>red</strike> [blue]. I think that is a good way to make what other people have said when you are quoting them?
[Edited due to stalker]

Knowing you, Squirty, you’ll probably highlight your own words in red so you can pretend you’re Jesus.

lol Kevin

Squirty is Jesus

No he isn't

Qwerty is his own saviour

I can't tell because of the swaddling clothing

she's a him , or he's a she?

I think the thread has been hijacked.

Fred your letters are looking kind of prideful.

Thank goodness!

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he's gay.

Squirty that is.

Paris is pulling an H attitude..looks MATTER

Gotta keep those colors pale and letters small so you blend in..it's all about blending in..

>>Gotta keep those colors pale and letters small so you blend in..it's all about blending in..<<

I'd make a great H wouldn't I, cupcake.

Fred, I just saw your's, you're better than I am!

Yeah,Kevin,I can harrrrdly see you now. Keep it up and you'll be back in the fold in no time!

That’s my secret, cupcake, disappear. That’s basically what I did twenty some odd years ago. Leaving the Hs was one of the best things I ever did for myself.

Jas 1:27* Pure religion and undefiled before Gladwin and the conference is this, To visit the brothers and pay the quotas, and to keep himself unspotted from the holdeman preachers.

I'm hungry! Food time back in 15 mins : )

moo

Fred, here’s the secret to being a good Holdeman. Put your money in the plate, and don’t question anything. It’s so simple, even a caveman could do it.

>>I'm hungry! Food time back in 15 mins : )<<

What about taking a sh**, did you allow enough time for that, Squirty?

Kevin:

Are you a poet and we didn't know it? lol

Qwerty, you say that you have spent Most of your life as a sinner. How fortunate you are. I was born into a sinful nature and expect that I will still be a sinner when I die and at all points inbetween, not because I want to sin and offend God, but because I am a poor, human sinner, one who looks to God for salvation.

>>Kevin:

Are you a poet and we didn't know it? Lol<<



Steve, usually only when I receive inspiration. Sometimes people like Allen and Squirty make me willing to follow through.

>>I always thought that humility could not be sought like a prize, or recognized when you looked in a mirror. It is a state of being that a person comes to unconsciously. The truly humble would never acknowledge themselves as being humble. Hmm.............. maybe the same thing applies to holiness?<<

Brent, I found this to be a wise thought, thanks for that.
I would think if we are measuring our humility that we are missing some point.