Yesterday while browsing through Messenger of Truth (MOT), one of the articles was on the practice of the Holy Kiss. The writing said that in today's times that the holy kiss should not be practiced in public places but should be reserved for private settings.

This has raised some questions for me, and I have been mulling this over all day to sort through through this.

My thoughts are too complex to explain the various layers of underlying questions, but one of them is if there would be any Biblical doctrinal teachings that a Christian should not practice because they would care what others thought and/or that they would give the appearance of evil.

There's something that really does not compute with the practice of a Biblical doctrine giving the appearance of evil. I'd suggest there may be a problem in the application or understanding of the concept.

Situations such as these pose challenges for fundamentalists who place high importance on literal applications.

Good points, Psy.

The holy kiss, as it is actually meant to be practised, is more of a formal embrace, (with nothing really offensive about it, although it might not be a 'normal' greeting in North American culture). The problem is that the Holdies have interpreted the word 'kiss' in its literal, modern sense of the word, which, of course, causes them no end of embarrassment in public settings...

Of course, leaving the holy kiss to private settings might encourage gay and lesbian activity...

Steven
"leaving the holy kiss to private settings might encourage gay and lesbian activity"

You know u cant say that with out a comment from me right ?

There were a few "holy kisses" that maybe went so holy
But how else was a queer H boy ever sposed to kiss a guy ?

jeff you are demented!

Here's the rest of the story;

This writer goes on to say "I have experienced and observed that some will turn his or her cheek just before the lips meet. [duh]. This may be more so among the sisters, but there is some of this done among the brethren also. Is this really practicing the holy kiss? I believe this profanes the kiss of charity, which is instructed in the above verses, making it unholy. If we practice this doctrine with love in our hearts in a way that is a dry light touch of the lips followed with a blessing, it will be pleasing to God and a blessing to us.

Let us all draw closer together so that this doctrine will not be lost. Youth, practice it; there is nothing wrong with it [unless you're doing it in public, of course] and greeting with the holy kiss is for all of us."

How do they get the necessity of this kiss being a dry light touching of the lips? The Bible gives absolutely no protocol for this bizarre habit, and this man dares to suggest that God is wiping his eyes in sorrow if the lips of two men don't meet? As Amos always says, may God have mercy on us all.

I would add to Fred's post, "and perverted....and disgusting."

oh relax a little u cant take a joke
life is to short to be so up tight all the time
didnt mean to offend any one
just seams like most ppl one here so caught
up in there own little world of religion
they cant enjoy life

Whether you see Jeff as perverted and disgusting, or not, he does make an important point. If there is a gay H guy, and apparently we know of at least one (Jeff) the kissing on the lips would appear to be something that could incite further perversion and lust. Best to do away with it, I say.

"How do they get the necessity of this kiss being a dry light touching of the lips? The Bible gives absolutely no protocol for this bizarre habit, and this man dares to suggest that God is wiping his eyes in sorrow if the lips of two men don't meet? As Amos always says, may God have mercy on us all."
VS, I've wondered the exact same thing.... not so much the "doing" of the deed, but WHY lips???

Look, I don't like the H policy of kissing on the lips and if I was H I'd want it changed so the appearance of evil could be completely avoided altogether. The danger of an H running into a queer H and giving him tingling sensations is quite low. One thing the H do quite well is to kick the queers out without much dilly dallying about. I say CHEERS! Do I make myself clear?

Well, RM, I would say your statement is true if they KNOW someone is gay. But what it some gay remains safely in the closet their entire life. The H can only deal with them if they know about it.

never mind,,on the last comment I deleted it. I would dare say that the intent of the holy kiss in the very beginning had to do more with the fellowship of the believers and for anyone to corrupt the true meaning into something 'sexual' is missing the point all together. No one needs to do away with the kiss it's the perversion that needs to be checked.

Very true muttherlode
Im the exception to the rule that im out
but belive me there are more gay H .
They are very good a hiding who they
really are. But they sure change when they
come to the city. And no I will not
out any of them on here.

Amen Paris
just might have to change the whole beard thing tho
it gets kinda prickly.

Sorry Jeff, I deleted my 'random thought'. I do that sometimes.

I would add though that to spend one tenth of a millisecond on trying to implement the holy kiss as a doctrine, is also pretty corrupt. I tell ya it's the devil, try spending that time on a better thought.

muttherlode
"Whether you see Jeff as perverted and disgusting, or not, he does make an important point. If there is a gay H guy, and apparently we know of at least one (Jeff) the kissing on the lips would appear to be something that could incite further perversion and lust. Best to do away with it, I say."

That is an interesting thought.

Here is one way to look at it. What poor straight man would want to have to line up and kiss and hug all the girls in the congregation. That would be tormenting the flesh, and would cause thoughts and battles for days. I would refuse to do it. I could see men that have a problem in that area backsliding over that.

In the congregation I attend they practice the holy kiss and I refuse to kiss the men on their lips. I have had one brother call me on it and he acted like he was insulted and told me I had to follow the Bible and no right to refuse and I told him right out that I don't kiss on the lips and he would just have to accept that. I just tell them the mouth is dirtiest place on the body and that seems to end the conversation.

Also I would like to say that some people think gays are born that way. If that is so it wouldn't be a sin to be gay as long as you don't seek or have relationships and you suppress by the grace of God those feelings.

I wonder if those that go around telling people that homosexuality is an abomination (Lev 18:22) to God every read their Bible and found out that adultery (Eze 22:11) is an abomination also. And under the new covenant looking on a married person of the opposite gender or being married and looking on any one of the opposite gender to lust after them in your heart would also be adultery and hence abomination.

And no I am straight -- thank God!

Jeff
My heart goes out to you Jeff and I feel for you. And I want to know all the professing Christians that misuse you and call you names are clearly lacking any kind of understanding of compassion at the best and at the worse are phony and false. I apologize for all of them.

Qwert, you make some good points in that post.

(by the way, I think we just figured out he's Canadian..... he seems to have some compassion for others )

I can't believe how confused you people are,,,don't you know that the beanie those ladies wear on their head would be better worn over the mouth and eyes. The men should be wearing the suspenders across their mouths in an X shape to avoid the temptation that comes along with the holy kiss.
Dang can't you people read.

Wow! i'm speechless. What is the scripture for the holy kiss? Sure I've witnessed it years ago but its actually encouraged? For the youth? On the lips? Light and dry? What if it isn't? Can it be wiped off?

"I just tell them the mouth is dirtiest place on the body and that seems to end the conversation."

Wrong: the hands are far dirtier than the mouth. Most germs are tranferred through hand contact. Handshaking is the numero uno culprit.

kerzy
"Wrong: the hands are far dirtier than the mouth. Most germs are tranferred through hand contact. Handshaking is the numero uno culprit."

You may want to do a bit of research. Of all external parts of the body, and that is all of them, the mouth is the germ infested.

Qwerty, In the medical field ,handwashing is the biggest defense against spreading germs. Although any type of body fluids is susceptible of spreading germs. That is why a person covers their mouth when coughing or sneezing. That is why gloves should be worn when handling any body fluids. In the OT God laid down excellant sanitition laws of burying fecus.calledoutPTL

calledoutPTL
"Qwerty, In the medical field ,handwashing is the biggest defense against spreading germs."

I am aware of that. But that doesn't change what I said. The mouth is the most germ infested place that is part of the outside of the body. The reason handwashing is the biggest defense against spreading germs is people pick their nose with there finger, wipe their nose on there hand, pick there teeth with there fingers, wipe there eyes on there hand or "clean" there eyes with there finger and put their hands other places. These acts place germs on your hands.

Then when you shake hands you transfer these germs from your hands to other peoples hands and they take the passed germs and put them in their eyes, nose, mouth and other places which allows those germs to get inside them and infect them.

I am all for washing hands and do it when ever I come from a public place or go to one.

We have to keep both in mind. Clear our hands so we are not passing our germs around and clean our hands to get rid of the germs we have on our hands.

That is why it is so so important to wash you hands when you come for the restroom. Going to the washroom is not different then picking your nose, eyes or mouth. We should wash our hands after all those things just as much as after you go to the restroom.

Any way this has been good for me. I am going to go wash my hands and do it more often!

Qwerty, its not because you get germs on your HANDS from touching your MOUTH, its from introducing germs to an orifice (nose, mouth) with your hands, which have touched someone else hands, or an object someone elses hands have touched (doorknob)

kerzy
"Qwerty, its not because you get germs on your HANDS from touching your MOUTH, its from introducing germs to an orifice (nose, mouth) with your hands, which have touched someone else hands, or an object someone elses hands have touched (doorknob)"

No kerzy it is both. You wash you hands after you go to the restroom not before!

Your hands are the medium to pass germs. They not only are passed to you but they are passed from you.

So if you pick your nose or mouth or any other place, wash your hands so that you won't pass those your germs on. Please!

Maybe we should be kissing the ring of the Holdepreacher instead of his lips.

"I am aware of that. But that doesn't change what I said. The mouth is the most germ infested place that is part of the outside of the body. The reason handwashing is the biggest defense against spreading germs is people pick their nose with there finger, wipe their nose on there hand, pick there teeth with there fingers, wipe there eyes on there hand or "clean" there eyes with there finger and put their hands other places. These acts place germs on your hands."


Qwerty, yuck... true, but ewwwww!!!

yes ok qwerty, i guess you're right. i dont really know what i'm talking about.

>>There were a few "holy kisses" that maybe went so holy 
But how else was a queer H boy ever sposed to kiss a guy ?<<

Jeff, if you’d played your cards differently, you could have stayed H and become a preacher. Think of this, whenever you went away to hold revival meetings at another congregation you could have slept with a new man. Isn’t that what they used to do? Spend a night in every parishioners home? If there was only one guest bed I think they slept together.

Think about it. Kissing other men and sleeping with other men,. The H church is a gay man’s nirvana.

kerzy
"yes ok qwerty, i guess you're right. i dont really know what i'm talking about."

Well don't be to hard on your self you have it half right -- germs are passed from others things to our hands and then into your system.

The other half is people put germs on there hands and pass them to others. There for Renee R. Boyer a specialist in food safety posts the following on the Virginia State University. Note he says to wash your hands to clear them after you cough, sneeze, or get fluids from you watery eyes on your hands. This is so you don't pass them on.

Before, during, and after preparing food
Before eating food
After using the restroom
After coughing, sneezing, or blowing your nose
After changing diapers
After handling money
After handling trash or taking out garbage
After handling (petting) pets or other animals
After work or play
Whenever hands come in contact with body fluids (i.e. runny nose, watery eyes, saliva)
More frequently when someone in the home is sick
When hands are dirty
http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/nutrition/348-965/348-965.html

This is a good one on cell phones:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/01/cell_phones_fil.html

Here is some thing you can print and put in your bathroom:
http://www.nfsmi.org/Information/handwashing/hands_germs_eng070804.pdf

The doctrine of the holy kiss is well on it's way to more legalization.

And once again Qwerty shows that he is the font of all knowledge.

(I wonder if he is best friends with Al Gore?)

Qwerty says:
"Well don't be to hard on your self you have it half right"

I can hardly believe it! I thought I had to totally concede to your superior intellect, Qwerty. The fact that you are admitting I have it half right flatters me so much! (or does it mean i am a haf-wit?)

kerzy
"I can hardly believe it! I thought I had to totally concede to your superior intellect,"

Really it doesn't take much intellect to have a view and Google up information to support it. Any one can do that.

How ever I think the facts show that you wash you hands for 2 reasons. One so when you decide to load them up with your own germs though mouth and nose picking, pimple poping, tear wiping actions you won't get the germs that were on your hands from others into your system. The second reason should be equally clear. No one wants you mouth and nose picking, pimple poping, tear wiping germs on there hands.

Qwerty comes back from washing his hands...

I am thinking I am going to get a new keyboard and stop using other people keywords in the house. And what about the used wireless keyboard I got for one of my computers. And should I make people wash their hands before they use my keyboard and warn them not to pick there nose or teeth when they are using it. I don't know what to think now.

...Qwerty goes and washes his hands before he heads out to do some visiting.

Ask an ER Dr what they do for treatment of human bites. LM got bit by a dig a few yrs ago and needed stitches, I couldn't believe the measures they went to for a simple
1 1/2 in gash, so I asked if you go to this much trouble for a dog bite, what do you do for a cat bite. He never skipped a beat,"WE admit them." And he was dead serious.
If you have ever seen the infection from such a thing, you never want to again. We had 2 boys end up with cat bite infections, massive doses of antibiotics and having to open each bite site daily for weeks so they would drain, and nearly having to have rabies shots.

We had also had the experience of human bites, they take forever to heal and the ones we had were minor to most. Human bite infections are unreal.

I grew up on a farm with all kinds of animals and we never even worried about cats, that was a minor thing as far as we were concerned, and hey, little children bite each other all the time, until you train them not to. but I can tell you from personal experience when you have to deal with the infection side, it becomes a totally different story.
LL

Hey Paris where is that story about your son and washing his hands? I think we need to get it to qwerty and then get him admitted to the psych ward.
LL

I want to start talking about the holy kiss again. How did this get degraded into a thread about hand washing?

mMtterlode, so easy, to get it to a doggy thread!! LOL calledoutPTL

Muttherlode
i apologize, it seems it was i who derailed your thread. Even though i thought, inadvertently it turns out, that i was correct, i should have known one thing for sure: a mere halfwit like me should never try to correct the resident wizard, qwerty, who is even able to coerce google to produce results that are twice as accurateas mine.

kerzy
"who is even able to coerce google to produce results that are twice as accurateas mine."

You probably use Yahoo Search and the results on Google are twice as good : )

...off to wash my hands again...

Folks, i have something shocking to say to you: qwerty made a mistake, he thinks i use yahoo search. While i have heard of that name, as far as i recall, i have never used anything but google. its set as my home page and thats what is used exclusivley, in our home, and in my offices, as well as my wifes office, and kids computers. One kid uses firefox browser. i still use IE.

"Kissing"... late last night my wife and I picked up our son and his family at a S. Calif. airport. A 45 yr.?? man was also waiting for someone... and when his people arrived, 2 fellows his age; couldn't help but notice he kissed both of them on the mouth... no hand shake or hug. (maybe they were brothers from one family).

It was an odd scene; at least for me.

I don't fault our H folks for the practice of the holy kiss; but think in todays society it should preferably be applied in a "religious" setting, which I understand they now recommend. The details of how they wish to practice it, I leave entirely with them.

Well,it seems that it is no longer BD&P (brief dry and pursed, as prescribed in BD&P) but rather DLT (dry light touch).

http://www.apostolicchristianchurch.org/Pages/Beliefs,%20The%20Holy%20Kiss.htm

paxilman, I don't remember seeing you before, welcome here.


good article

I think the "holy kiss" as practiced in the H, tends to more coldness than warmness, not that it matters much.

People see me at the calvary, and warmly greet with an affectionate handshake, and a warm howdy do. But int he H, there was a "stand-off-ishness" that arose on a weekly theme, it seemed a handshke had to include a smooch, so they didn't do either, (I was glad for that) but i have to admit, the warm handshakes I get each week at church are a hearty welcome, and they fit the theme of our culture.

And Jeff, If you are around or ever come see me in Idaho, yes, I would shake your hand!

When I said you are demented that comment was totally in fun and in true affection, I like you and welcome you here.

But woahh! Am I glad I don't have to smooch ya to remain a holdie!

Fred, I have lurked here for quite some time. I am H and plan to be so all my life. I regret some of the things that have happened to the different posters here. I just hope that you can overlook and forgive those mistakes. There are a lot of H like me that are living sincere Christian lives. I could count most of the people on this forum as my brother or sister in Christ. In keeping with the thread I must add that I practice the Holy Kiss very rarely, yet I believe that it is in place as a spiritual symbol of unity and humility among believers. I realize that it is an archaic custom but there are definitely times when it feels appropriate. There are some brethren in my congregation that greet(with a kiss) 10-15 other brethren every Sunday morning. I feel that is way too much and leaves me with questions about their motive. However I do not believe that the motive is sensual rather I believe that it makes them feel very pious and they are hoping that people notice them.

I have never felt that a kiss on the lips would bring me any closer to a bond or unity in the Spirit than just a good warm handshake. I agree the kiss is awkward and somewhat humiliating.

by Pax,
There are some brethren in my congregation that greet(with a kiss) 10-15 other brethren every Sunday morning. I feel that is way too much and leaves me with questions about their motive.

I also believe that these type of people are trying to make a statement.

Paxilman

Er, don't you mean...

However I do __not__ believe that the motive is sensual rather I believe that it makes them feel very pious and they are hoping that people notice them.

This is how ever a good example of how a person can mean one thing and say the direct opposite.

Right on qwerty.thanks for the notice. (smile)

...off to wash my hands again... : )

isn't the holy kiss suppose to be a kiss on the cheek? When and how did it end up on the lips?

"isn't the holy kiss suppose to be a kiss on the cheek? When and how did it end up on the lips?"

I don't know if it is true or not but I have heard that some teach if you kiss on lips it shows you are more spiritual or that it is a test of your spirituality.

Does it say anywhere in the bible that men are to kiss men on the lips and women kiss the women?
Sounds like some cultural thing that someone took out of context.
I have wonderful Italian friends where everyone is kissing everyone first one cheek then the next men on men, men on women, women to women and women to man...it is not a sexual sensual kind of kiss just a warm hello, that leaves you feeling honored and appreciated, not violated. Personally I have never thought it looked weird, just kinda flows out of the guys, not a stiff calculated well aimed smack on the lips I've seen in holdeman churches. I've always understood the verses about the holy kiss as being about honor and respect, AND kissing the cheeks, NOT about the lips, the lip kissing stuff is more about sex in my opinion....creepy, after seeing the holdeman holy kiss I usually feel like I need a shower.

grace
"Does it say anywhere in the bible that men are to kiss men on the lips and women kiss the women?"

1Co 7:1 It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

"Sounds like some cultural thing that someone took out of context."

Well for sure you are not going to see men kissing woman in a muslin culture and I wonder if the jewish culture is not the same.

"I have wonderful Italian friends where everyone is kissing everyone first one cheek then the next men on men, men on women, women to women and women to man...it is not a sexual sensual kind of kiss just a warm hello, that leaves you feeling honored and appreciated, not violated."

That is a very common way to greet.

Personally I have never thought it looked weird, just kinda flows out of the guys, not a stiff calculated well aimed smack on the lips I've seen in holdeman churches.
[The above sentence was left in my accident and was from grace's post.]

"AND kissing the cheeks, NOT about the lips, the lip kissing stuff is more about sex in my opinion....creepy, after seeing the holdeman holy kiss I usually feel like I need a shower."

I got some wet ones before I clued in and say ok I am not going for this stuff. I feel like it is rude, gross, and unhealthy. I have even been reproved for refusing to kiss on the lips. That move was seen as [un]spiritual but hey, those that would consider me unspiritual for not lip kissing men, I say amen. It is just showing where their spirituality is. I have no interest in spirituality of the rule book, only spirituality of the Bible.

[Text in square brackets was added after the original post.]

"In the congregation I attend they practice the holy kiss and I refuse to kiss the men on their lips. I have had one brother call me on it and he acted like he was insulted and told me I had to follow the Bible and no right to refuse and I told him right out that I don't kiss on the lips and he would just have to accept that. I just tell them the mouth is dirtiest place on the body and that seems to end the conversation."

Qwerty, this post caught my eye. I realize you prefer to remain anonymous, but I'd like to understand what you meant by this. I understood that you originally had little/no knowledge of the holdemans, but this sounds like you're either very acquainted w/them or another church practices the same type of greeting. Did I understand that correctly or am I all screwed up? For some reason I thought the H were about the only ones that do it that way. Maybe I'm just obtuse....?

Yes Qwerty can you tell us if you practiced the holy kiss in the members meeting of the Holdeman church you were never a member of?

needleman
"Qwerty, this post caught my eye. I realize you prefer to remain anonymous, but I'd like to understand what you meant by this. I understood that you originally had little/no knowledge of the holdemans, but this sounds like you're either very acquainted w/them or another church practices the same type of greeting."

There are lots of groups that practice the "holy kiss". Amish, Mennonites, holiness, and many other groups. The more conservative fanatical the group the more then push the envelope to the extremes.

"Did I understand that correctly or am I all screwed up? For some reason I thought the H were about the only ones that do it that way. Maybe I'm just obtuse....?"

No there are lots of conservative groups that practice this. The Pentecostals do it and [there may be a few fringe groups where] the women kiss the men and the men the women.

Paris
"Yes Qwerty can you tell us if you practiced the holy kiss in the members meeting of the Holdeman church you were never a member of?"

No did practice the "holy kiss" with any Holdeman's. I have been in one Holdeman meeting that I can remember and it wasn't a members meeting.

Qwerty,

I have attended many different Pentecostal churches. I have yet to see anyone practice any kind of kissing, (holy or otherwise) in either a public or private meeting. Think you are painting with a wide brush here and do not have the facts as regards the majority of those who consider themselves Pentecostal.

Mark
Some POAC in Canada do it. I have seen it myself. Men hugging women and on the cheek kisses. The more conservative the group the more likely.

Qwerty,

I'm assuming the POAC you refer to could possibly be the PAOC or Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada. If so they have no official statement about the 'holy kiss' for or against. They list appx 235,000 adherants which in the charismatic/pentecostal world, is a tiny percentage. AOG in US many millions, worldwide millions more. As I said I've attended a vast scope of churches who consider themselves pentecostal. Assemblies of God, Church of God in Christ, Church of God,(Anderson) and (Cleveland) United Pentecostal Church International and many others. I have not found any that teach or practice a holy kiss between same sex or opposite sex in their meetings. Most will readily teach a culture appropriate greeting, hugs or handshakes etc. Every pastor I've ever questioned always taught that frontal hugs between men and women were not appropriate.

In conclusion, I stand by my opinion that "holy kissing" in Pentecostal churches is the rare exception and not the rule.

Mark
"I have not found any that teach or practice a holy kiss between same sex or opposite sex in their meetings. Most will readily teach a culture appropriate greeting, hugs or handshakes etc. Every pastor I've ever questioned always taught that frontal hugs between men and women were not appropriate."

Thanks for pointing that out Mark. I guess I wasn't thinking straight. Also I am not saying all PAOC groups do male/female holy cheek kisses.

I changed my post to reflect your correction.

No there are lots of conservative groups that practice this. The Pentecostals do it and [there may be a few fringe Pentecostals groups where] the women kiss the men and the men the women.

In my "former life", I was very involved in the PAOC working in churches and very closely with the admin offices   I normally would not share this personal information, however I feel I need to set things straight.

Qwerty, there is NO such practice among the PAOC churches. There is a practice of cultural appropriate greetings but nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting.

I would have to agree with Peter, I think that much of what you have seen as a church thing would be more likely a cultural or family relational thing with a greeting hug and an on the cheek kiss. My family was not a hands on family but I am seeing more and more as my relatives get older that it is more important to many of them that we greet with a hug and often a kiss on the cheek. It seems to have a lot more to do with human connections than any church association because I personally have no immediate relatives that are H except for my children, 6 nieces and nephews and inlaws. My relatives cover most denominations except for plain folks or pentecostal. they are Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist, Grace Brethren, non denominational, Church of Christ..............
I have seen more hugging and such in the past several yrs than I remember seeing in my whole growing up. It seems to me that people are realising that there is a much needed connection and they are reaching out to others to show love in ways that were never shown before especially in staid germanic/english backgrounds

Qwerty, just to follow up on my last post;

I do remember a United Pentecostal breakaway group that practiced the "holy kiss" in a bit of the way you mentioned. This group was pretty off the wall. The think that blew me away, was in the "apostle"s office there was a old switch hanging on the wall. They were a seriously conservative group and extremely authoritarian as well as otvc. This "apostle" had asked for airtime on our station and I had to go check them out. For obvious reason's we did not sell them block time.

 

Peter
"Qwerty, there is NO such practice among the PAOC churches. There is a practice of cultural appropriate greetings but nothing along the lines of what you are suggesting."

My comment still stands but thanks for the letting us not that as far as you know there is no such practice amount PAOC.

"Some POAC in Canada do it. I have seen it myself. Men hugging women and on the cheek kisses."

Peter
"I do remember a United Pentecostal breakaway group that practiced the "holy kiss" in a bit of the way you mentioned."

Was this a break away UPC group or a congregation that broke away from the POAC and when UPC. I am guessing a break group from the UPC as UPC is Oneness and POAC is Trinitarian.

UPC breakaway. actually at the time they were still upc but have since left any conference. I don't have any real knowledge of the group, just visited the leader that one time. I do drive by there on business now and then and have noticed the sign has changed.

Interesting. What city if you don't mind.

email me if you want any more info. I'm not going to put it on a public forum. thanks for understanding.

Done.