I did a little study today on sciptures that show that the Word is only reveal to us by the Spirit and to those that are doing God's will (living a holy, fruitful, sin-free live). I thought it would share it with the forum.
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If you have ever wondered why there is so many diThe Bible Is Only Revealed To Thosffernet doctrines amoung professed Christans I think the Bible has the answer!

Jesus said "if any man will do his will he shall know the doctrine" (Joh 7:17). Divisions and false doctrines are a result of carnal people that are not doing God's will trying to figure out the Bible.

God only reveals enought to us from the Bible to get saved. He is not in the business of revealing the meat of the Word to carnal sin loving professes that serve God with there lips only.

Here is how to get true conversation.

Conversion – to become spiritual you first must be truly converted. If you’re living in disobedience to God (Eph 5:6) in any area in your life you need to be saved from disobedience (Joh 14:24; 1Joh 2:3-4). You experience true conversion by having godly sorrow (2Cor 7:10), repentance (Luke 13:3), forsaking of all sin (Joh 5:14), by faith believing on Jesus in your heart (Rom 5:1), confess with your mouth Jesus as your Savior (Rom 10:9-10), confession of sins to God in Jesus name (1Joh 1:9; Act 4:12) and then go in the power of the Holy Spirit (1Cor 10:13; 2Pet 1:10; Jud 1:24) and sin no more (1Joh 5:18).

Here are some scriptures that show that it is God that must reveal himself and his Word to us.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God,

Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Phil 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect [complete], be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

>>>I did a little study today on scriptures that show that the Word is only reveal to us by the Spirit and to those that are doing God's will (living a holy, fruitful, sin-free live). I thought it would share it with the forum.<<<<


1 John 1:10

If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
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Qwerty,,

How are you going to get passed that scripture?

Maybe that is why you are having such a hard time understanding scripture. Because if you are saying that we have to be "sin free" as you did in your opening post..There is a problem..I think that in order to understand the Bible you have to understand that we will never be sin free.


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Paris
I think the one you want it 1Joh 1:8.

IJoh 1:10 states if we say we have not sinned we make him a liar because his word says that all of sinned and follow short of the glory of God. I don't hold that Christian must have never sinned prior to being saved. I hold that Bible teaches that after we are saved it is the Bible standard that we don't sin and GOd provides grace for us to resist every temptation.

1Joh 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.
[Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;]

1 John 1:8 applies to those that claim to be currently free from sin but are not in fellowship with the Father and Jesus Christ. So otherwise [claiming to] get forgiveness and deliverance from sin some other way that thought the power of Christ. Those that claim this are deceived and are not in the truth. I have used this scriptures when talking to the Hidos that claim to be free from sin.

1Joh 1:3,8: That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ... If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Keep in mind that same writter just a few sentences later tells us that if we say we are in him and don't keep his commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us. These 2 scriptures appear to contradict each other. One says if you say you don't sin you are not in the truth and the second one says if you don't keep his commandments you are not in the truth.

The way I deal it is to applying 1Joh 1:8 to those who don't have fellowship with the Father but claim to be free from sin. The other way is to take 1Joh 2:

1Joh 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Paris,

If Jesus come in the flesh, then the flesh can be rid of sin.

If Jesus didn't come in the flesh, then disregard sinless flesh......or go find a religion that best suits your personal tradition and experience. And if there's not a religion for you yet, just hold on, there will be one shortly!

Brent

Qwerty,,


1 John 1: 8-9-10

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


>>>>IJoh 1:10 states if we say we have not sinned we make him a liar because his word says that all of sinned and follow short of the glory of God. I don't hold that Christian must have never sinned prior to being saved. I hold that Bible teaches that after we are saved it is the Bible standard that we don't sin and God provides grace for us to resist every temptation.<<<<



Qwerty are you now going to not even distinguish between the words in Scripture and your own words?


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Paris
"Qwerty are you now going to not even distinguish between the words in Scripture and your own words?"

In some cases I don't put the sciptures in quotes but just loosely quote them and then post scriptures I am referring to after each statement. This is a very common pratice in speach. Not very often you will hear a speaker do a "open quote" before they refer to a phrase in the Bible and then a "close quote" after the phrase is completed. They let you know what scipture they are referring to and then talk about it with out say "open quote" and "closed quotes".

I think if this is acceptable in speach it should be acceptable in text.

But say, what you have faith for isn't a sin. If you can let faith absolve sin instead of trying to meet the requirement of religion, people might see it's not such a long shot. But the hypocrites really get in trouble with this, because they want to use the failures of the flesh for their excuse which relies upon sin which is part of religion, instead of overcoming with faith and walking in and among sin and even appearing sinful.

You see, the religious of the world want sin cut and dried. But how does that fit him and her here or there who walk by faith? Sure they do things that are sinful to others. But these others are condemned for lack of faith.

Brent

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"If you can let faith absolve sin instead of trying to meet the requirement of religion, people might see it's not such a long shot."

Faith doesn't absolve sin. The grace of God sets us free from sin and disobedience. To sin in word, thought, and deed daily and repent of your sins at the end of the day professing that you love God but noting you are human and can't help it, makes as must sence for the newly married couple to go committing adultery against each other and saying sorry with the excuse they are human and can't help themselves but claim to love each other.

With God all things are possible and God though Jesus offers full grace to live an obedience life. It's just that people love their sins and don't want to give them up, or they have had the door to the kingdom blocked by a modern day Phariee who neither enters into the kingdom theirself and blocks the door for others and makes their converts twofold more the children of the devil then themselves with their sin-you-must teaching.

"The grace of God sets us free from sin and disobedience."

Qwerty,

"And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

"Grace isn't even mentioned. But grace does bring us through our childish thinking, setting us free as you say. Grace brings you into faith and hope, and finally charity the greatest of these.

To deal with sin the way the super pious advise, you might as well try to keep the whole law. There isn't flesh with enough stamina or endurance or religious ambition to overcome sin. But for the modern religious or refined Christians to use natural flesh as an alibi to claim things at the foot of the cross that weren't meant, is a big of a lie.

Qwerty, the bulk of what the religious write could be the conclusion of anything read. To draw the spirit out of something read is another matter. They preach off the things the scriptures say, but they sound as laws. They are things anyone can walk in as long as there is grace, which grace usually last longer than ones youth, which that unvigilant and untried grace in time of robustness will deliver them into religion and stubborn old age.

Brent

Qwerty, you got kids? We as Christians are God's Kids


I have kids, lots of them, and each one is different and what works for one hurts the other one's feelings.

One kid would beg you to spank him instead of sending him to his room, the other would beg to go to his room instead of getting a spanking.

One child I could get the attention and never say a word, just flick my eye at the thing I wanted done and "poof" it was being done. The next kid, would act like he didn't understand until I clearly articulated my meaninggot hold of the shoulder, and asked "do you understand me?".


God's motive in "leading" us is not to "prove" he his the absolute authority and ogre and that his children strictly adhere to every twitch of his "eye" but rather a loving heavenly father whose motive
is to lead us to life, eternal life, that life that makes life worth living.

Fred
"God's motive in "leading" us is not to "prove" he his the absolute authority and ogre and that his children strictly adhere to every twitch of his "eye" but rather a loving heavenly father whose motive
is to lead us to life, eternal life, that life that makes life worth living."

I would agree with that.