The other day I got up and I was in a very foul mood. I knew that I was going to have it out with someone or even swear at someone during the morning,, I could just feel it building, I might even blame it on them after I swear. Yup it happened, I got angry I swore and I blamed it on them,, just for a moment.
I did it knowing I probably shouldn't. I didn't feel good about it, I saw it coming but I lost control.
I did feel bad about it and even kind of uttered a sort of apology to Christ for my behaviour afterwords. Even as I type this my heart is repenting.
What about David's sin with Bathsheba, It was willfull right down to the planned death of Uriah the hitite. It was forgiven by God Himself, without even the blood sacrifice of Christ that we are under as believers.
In the example of David and (all of our lives), of course God forgives. But do you think David would have been saved if he had not repented? Please answer.
I see it this way. God's salvation is a gift that he gives and gives and willingly gives again. And we humans keep throwing it in the trashcan when we go wilfully sin. But, God is so loving, patient and understanding that he holds out his hand and offers it to us again when we repent and earnestly desire it. Praise God for the wonderful gift of salvation. It sure isn't of works.
>>In the example of David and (all of our lives), of course God forgives. But do you think David would have been saved if he had not repented? Please answer.<<
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Well no I don't think David would have been forgiven if he had not repented. But remember David was an example of "A man after God's own heart". David knew what it was to be in the full "knowledge" of God and still sin.
Even after David sinned and his child with Bathsheba died as a result of that sin, Remember Nathan came to David and told him what was going to happen,,
2 samuel 12:7
7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.'
11 "This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.'
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If you read through it says
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13 Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."
Nathan replied, "The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, [a] the son born to you will die."
15 After Nathan had gone home, the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and went into his house and spent the nights lying on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them.
18 On the seventh day the child died. David's servants were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they thought, "While the child was still living, we spoke to David but he would not listen to us. How can we tell him the child is dead? He may do something desperate."
19 David noticed that his servants were whispering among themselves and he realized the child was dead. "Is the child dead?" he asked.
"Yes," they replied, "he is dead."
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The end of the story David continues to believe in God..
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19 David noticed that his servants were whispering among themselves and he realized the child was dead. "Is the child dead?" he asked.
"Yes," they replied, "he is dead."
20 Then David got up from the ground. After he had washed, put on lotions and changed his clothes, he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house, and at his request they served him food, and he ate.
21 His servants asked him, "Why are you acting this way? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept, but now that the child is dead, you get up and eat!"
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David's first words after repenting and feeling the worst of his sin in the death of his own child David's words were,,
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22 He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."
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The point is to RELY on Christ, how much more can we worship and appreciate his blood sacrifice.
And all of David's story is just a "type" of what was to come in the glory of God's son..
One thing that does come from sin is what we and our families may suffer because of it,, but just like David we do not forfit our salvaiton. It is to be concidered what can happen to our lives if we sin, but not what can happen to our salvaion, In my view it is as secure now as it was for David,,..
You know Paris, I wouldn't sin in the name of God or even religion, I'd sin in the name of sin. At least that is the most honest in our desperate angry times.
Yeah Paris, nobody can avoid the flesh. It's our only means of life in a temporal world. But the minute you start looking into another world with your spirit to continue your life, there's friction. People mistakenly turn this into religion, and this is a great error. One needs to peer into the eternal world with their spirit. Because the flesh can't even survive a temporal existence.
Wow Brent, I never heard anything like that before and I gotta tell ya it makes a lot a sense. Most people including myslf start out thinking that the friction means something positive and growth, but the older I get sometimes I just feel the need to leave it alone.
<<< But the minute you start looking into another world with your spirit to continue your life, there's friction. People mistakenly turn this into religion, and this is a great error. One needs to peer into the eternal world with their spirit. Because the flesh can't even survive a temporal existence. >>>
I have come to this same conclusion myself. This "looking into another world" is exploratory, intangible, and largely untestable. Therefore, everyone does this "looking" differently, but purportedly, as we look, we are looking towards and into the authority of God (or so we say, hope and believe). This is probably where the murderous spirit of religion comes from...to claim the authority of God over your gropings and spiritual vertigo. Of course, this leads to you know what...
God can take mistakes or Sins and still give us Blessings. When I found out I had one more daughter. (she was 29 when she chased me down) I had all kinds of mixed feelings. However she is a wonderful lady and since she never experienced a real Father before we do quite well at communicating. My biggest fear is that I do not want any of my children to go through all the mistakes I made in my Youth. Yet we often hear that punishment is carried on for 3 or 4 generations.
Howie, I don't feel that punishment is the right word. Maybe cursings. For instance a man who committs murder, the son feels the punishment or stigma of it, but God isn't punishing the son for it. But for example, if temper was the reason of the murder, that can get passed on to the son who will have to learn to control it. Curses can be broken by the blood of Jesus. calledoutPTL
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