Note I wrote the below before watching the last video that doesn't seem to fit at all with let all things be done in decency and order. The Bible does not record any of the Apostles or Prophets healing in that strange manner. We really do need God's mercies in this bizarre world.


Some one mentioned on another old thread if miracles workers today were real they should be emptying out the hospitals. Yet it does not appear Jesus healed all the lame and the sick, as their were many left after He ascended for the disciples to heal. In John chapter 5 it speaks of a pool that had a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, about it waiting for the moving of the water in which the first to touch the water would be healed. Yet that chapter only speaks of Jesus healing one man that had been there for 38 years waiting on the moving of the water. Were there not more around to be healed or were many left unhealed at that time?

Jesus one time healed a man by making mud out of spit and dirt and anointing his eyes. Naaman was healed by washing in the dirty Jordan. Sometimes it takes humility to be healed. A verse that impressed me after watching those videos is " it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." Yet I have questions about the saying bang and people falling down or acting like they are falling down. Paul said let all things be done decently and in order and another Scripture says in quietness and confidence shall be your strength. Yet may we not try to force God into our special and traditional ways of doing things. May God have mercy on us.

Note I wrote the above before watching the last video that doesn't seem to fit at all with let all things be done in decency and order. The Bible does not record any of the Apostles or Prophets healing in that strange manner. We really do need God's mercies in this bizarre world.

I do have some questions on how strange things or signs or defined. By what we think? Or what we have experienced? What someone else says? Because the word soesn't always say what signs are or what they heard.

For example; 1) When the Holy Spirit fell on the day of pentecost, Acts 2:13 people were accused of being drunk. How do drunk people act? Maybe someone on the forum can tell us. From what I have observed though, some stumble, fall down, are loud, laugh, and again some fight. Do crazy things, like dancing on a table.
2) The shadow passed over people and they were healed in Acts 5:15.
3)Acts 8:13, What were the signs? What were the miracles?
4)Acts 8:18 What did Simon see? It doesn't say, could be strange, maybe not.
5)Acts 9:40 Tabitia was raised from the dead.
6)Acts 11:28 prophecy of a dearth.
7)Acts 13:52 Joy, tell me what a person does or hears that you know someone are filled with joy? Maybe laughing?? It doesn't say.
8)19;12 People sent their hankerchiefs and aprons in for prayer to be healed.

The word says many times that people could not stand in the glory, or the power of the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist was one. Priests in the OT at times couldn't either. So if they all of a sudden couldn't stand, they fall. If you watch the Lakeland Revival, many times no one touches people and they fall. Are they acting? I'm not going to judge.

Personalities enter in. Notice that Todd is the only one who says Bam Bam. Others do other things. I don't want to be one to put God in a box.

Now I know that not everyone is healed, but many are. calledoutPTL

Paul was talking about something different. He was trying to teach the people that you don't interrupt the Holy spirit in Cor. to tke turns. calledoutPTL

I just find it hard to believe God would tell a minister of His to kick someone in the face etc. I know lying Christians were slain by the Spirit in the early church, and I know God works in mysterious ways, and sometimes wants to turn off people that are not really seeking, but the kind of violence that the last video spoke of I find hard to accept as from God. Yet I marvel at the healings.

Concerning God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, I doubt that God would speak as such to anyone now in the day when the Bible and teachings of Christ are established. Yet some might say God told them to slay their son, like He told Abraham. May God have mercy on us in a strange religious world.

I was watching FOX with Geraldo tonight and he did an interview with Todd. He asked Todd how much money he takes from the offering and Todd told him the whole offering this evening went to Darfor (sp?) Africa. He said he has not taken one penny personally from any of the offerings but that his bimonthly salary is set and given from his ministry board from Canada. Geraldo asked him if he would open the books to see if everything was on the up and up and if he has documentations verifying any of the healings. He said he would provide documentations from medical records verifying the healings but before he could answer the question about opening the books the time ran out for the segment since it was a live interview. But I believe he was going to answer that his books are open. Not positive on that however.

Credible?
Interesting? very.

"I know lying Christians were slain by the Spirit in the early church" They were lying, but didn't get slain in the Holy Spirit, Amos. They fell over dead. Big difference.

Some people refer "slain in the Holy Spirit" as falling down under the spirt or glory of God so thought I'd better explain that instance. But I wouldn't be surprised if people who lied to the Holy Spirit wouldn't start falling over dead again. The lines are being drawn. calledoutPTL

Our electricity went off just before the interview, so didn't get to watch it. Wish I could have. Segments or fragments of things said or did can be very misleading. calledoutPTL

"Todd's doctrines"? Hmm that's interesting, I thought that doctrine was found in the Scripture? Must be my Lutheran/Mennonite church time has blinded me to how this Todd fellow is managing these 'healings'. Tumors jumping out of a leg and hitting the floor? Jesus himself coming down to heal an elbow? I admit this guy if funny, when I first watched the clips above I thought I was seeing an episode of Last Comic Standing.

I urge everyone to watch that last video and see how off base this Man is. Get rid of the worn out "lets not put God in a box" type of comments. I know my Lord and can confidently say that this is not of the Holy Spirit.



MT 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

MT 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

MK 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

2TIM 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2THESS 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

ROM 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the SIMPLE.

I believe God is patient and longsuffering with believers in people like Todd. But he DOES want them to stop being simple, and to become wise.

This is my personal testimony.
PS 116:6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.



Revelations also speaks of spirits of devils doing miracles.

Doyle, I have never heard of Todd's doctrine???? He quotes the word. Salvation is presented. You need to go down and check this out for a week or so, Fragments/segments of anything can be very misleading.

The scriptures you quoted are those who claim that Christ hasn't come yet or they are Christ.They are going around saying, come see Christ. Todd hasn't done that.

Revelations is talking about the end-times such as in the 7 years of tribulation. Of course if this is entirely spiritual and not physcial, then it won't happen physically.

The fruits of everything need to be inspected including yours and mine.. This will be played out.

I will stand by my statement, I will not put God in a box. But your right, it is tiring, so let HIM out!!! Religion always says this can't be of God.

By the way, are you the Doyle I knew as a kid growing up??? I heard he became a minister. calledoutPTL

< religion always says that this cannot be of God.>

Calledout, can you really stand by that statement as having any intrinsic value....because religion also always says that this IS of God. So apparently, religion covers all the bases. I guess we need another way to test.

By the way, are you the Doyle I knew as a kid growing up??? I heard he became a minister. calledoutPTL

I am not wanting to relinquish my privacy just now, but I don't know who you are Called Out. I am not a minister in any church.

Okay what is another way to test?? But I did understand your statement.

Who interrupts what is religion?? Who decides what is of God or not? The results/fruit? If you pray for someones healing using the name of Jesus and it is done, how can a person say that isn't of God? If one says you can only be healed through me or by belonging to my church, I would wonder very much about that ministry. Jesus said of the disciples that who that is not against me is for me. Whether Todd's ministry is of God remains to be seen , wouldn't you say? I just don't want to be a witch hunter of ministries saying which is of God or not, just because something is different from what I understand. calledoutPTL

Thanks Doyle for answering. You can go to the Holdeman Surviors and read who I am. calledoutPTL

I'm with Doyle on this one. In that fourth video, Todd is approaching a mad man mentality. God would not use violence to heal someone. He never said what happened to the woman that he kicked in the face. Or to the woman where he banged her legs against the floor. This goes so against what God and/or the Bible stands for. This is where you have to rely on what your heart and mind and the Holy Spirit tells you. Mine tells me it is not of God.

So GM and Doyle, you don't know if these people were healed or not. hmmmm If you had something wrong with you, and someone banged your legs on the floor, but you was healed, would you be upset if they used the name of Jesus??? Are you upset if some medicine doesn't work on you? Or if you have some bad reaction from it, does that mean it wasn't from God? hmmm

Now I admit, some things are extreme, but do you have a verse where it says it is sin/wrong? Doyle quoted scriptures that really didn't pertain to actions. Do you know for sure in the scripture exactly what God would or not tell a person what to do or how? Now I can definitely understand the: "let's wait and see what comes out of this." calledoutPTL

Everyone is intitled to their own opinion. Enough said. calledoutPTL

Sorry Calledout, I should have stayed out of this one. That's right, it is only my opinion.

That is okay with me for you to join in. That is what the forum is all about. I was trying to say I'd said enough. calledoutPTL

"Someone mentioned on another old thread if miracles workers today were real they should be emptying out the hospitals. Yet it does not appear Jesus healed all the lame and the sick"

The above bothered me for My boy's memory verse for this month is Matthew 12:15 "......Jesus healed all the sick."

Hi calledoutPTL,

Have you noticed how good I've been lately?

It's no secret around here how I feel about this stuff, yet I haven't posted anything negative on this thread.

As a matter of fact I haven't posted anything at all on this thread until now.

So, let's see.....what can I say to keep things positive instead of negative?

Oh yeah, I know!

I really liked that LAST video!

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In the way this Todd Bentley heals people it does not do anything to point to Christ,,He is glorifying himself more than Christ.

The last video is Todd completely full of himself which in my opinion has take an evil turn.


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Something that is really disturbing in that last video is how the audience laughs at the suggestions of someone getting this treatment, "kick her in the face" and then they laugh..weird


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I've been watching Todd Bentley for a number of evenings in the last week or two. I fail to see the power of Jesus (at least the Jesus I know) in his services. Also, the ways that he asks for donations is disturbing. He makes it very clear that if you are serious about getting healed you will donate. He says if you aren't willing to donate you shouldn't expect to be healed. He says that giving should be considered "an act of intimacy towards God". It's very strange.

Another thing, even if some of the "healings" are real...does this really mean this that the Florida outpouring is of God?

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

RM, maybe he's like the holdemans. "you would have to be part of the church and accept her doctrines to understand it"

Let's see.....if I was "one of them," how would I respond to some of the unbelief and doubt displayed on this thread?

Oh, I know!

I would say.....

Hasn't God used a JACK ASS before as a vessel of communication?

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