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Real Men

July 18 2008 at 7:27 AM

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Thought some of you would get a kick out of this!


July 18, 2008 7:00 AM

Real Men Vote for McCain
Top 10 reasons why.

By Lou Aguilar

1. Barack Obama spent 20 years sitting in church while his preacher and others bad-mouthed the United States of America. Navy pilot John McCain spent five years being tortured in the Hanoi Hilton, and refused a chance to walk out ahead of fellow POWs with more seniority.

2. Obama wants to cut and run from Iraq regardless of conditions on the ground or future consequences. McCain took on the president and secretary of defense in demanding more troops for Iraq, a policy that is inarguably winning the war. He also has two sons who fought in Iraq.

3. McCain supports nuclear power. Obama backs wind energy.

4. Obama wants restrictive gun control because only economically depressed middle-Americans “cling to God and guns.” McCain unwaveringly supports the Second Amendment.

5. McCain has deviated from his party’s conservative base on several occasions (McCain-Feingold Bill, Gang of 14, McCain-Kennedy Bill, opposition to torture). Obama has voted the left-wing line every single time, and been designated the most liberal Senator in Congress.

6. Obama is willing to meet with hostile state leaders like Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez without preconditions. McCain will set conditions first, talk later — maybe.

7. Obama is married to a bitter, angry lawyer who became “proud” of her country for the first time this year. McCain’s wife is a beer heiress who founded an organization to provide MASH-style units to disaster-torn world regions. Did I mention that she’s a beer heiress?

8. Obama supports higher taxes for a government-run nanny state that will coddle all Americans like babies. McCain trusts people to spend their less-taxed money however they wish.

9. The name John McCain sounds like “John McClain,” the action hero played by Bruce Willis in the manly Die Hard series. “Barack Obama” sounds like the kind of elitist villain John McClain has to outwit and defeat.

10. McCain is endorsed by Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone, and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Obama gets support from Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Oprah Winfrey, Tom Hanks, and every weenie in Hollywood. Plus, Susan Sarandon has vowed to leave the country if McCain gets elected. Case closed.

— Lou Aguilar is a fiction writer and former Washington Post video critic, Washington Times television critic, and USA Today reporter.



 
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Steven Thiessen
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Re: Real Men

July 18 2008, 8:10 AM 

>>his preacher and others bad-mouthed the United States of America.<<

Of course, if one reads the Bible, the OT prophets were often badmouthing the kingdom of Israel...

 
 
RM
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July 18 2008, 8:24 AM 

Oh for the love of Pete, now Obama is being compared to Old Testament prophets! LOL Has anyone done a halo check on him?

 
 

Steven Thiessen
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July 18 2008, 8:36 AM 

Not Obama. His preacher! The OT prophets were also often persecuted by the powers that be...

 
 

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July 18 2008, 9:17 AM 

Oops...I goofed! I do hear that some think Obama is a political messiah

 
 

April
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July 18 2008, 9:39 AM 

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old Texas rancher whose hand

was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a

conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and

his bid to be our President.



The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Obama is a “post turtle.”



Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a “post turtle”

was.



The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come

across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a “post turtle”.



The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to

explain. “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up

there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder

what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.”







    
This message has been edited by MeApril on Jul 18, 2008 9:41 AM


 
 

Steven Thiessen
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Re: Real Men

July 18 2008, 10:13 AM 

>>“You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up

there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder

what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.”<<

Of course the above holds true for Shrubya.

 
 

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Re: Real Men

July 18 2008, 10:47 AM 

Reason #3 is dumb, T. Boone Pickens supports windpower and he is pretty dang conservative. Oh, and quick, name a president in the last 40 years that WASN'T a lawyer (besides Jimmy Carter the peanut farmer/nuclear sailor)?

I don't care for Obama 'cuz he's liberal, from Chicago, and everyone likes to say he's African American instead of the truth, the guy is half-white. Talk about fence sitting!

 
 

Locklady
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July 18 2008, 2:57 PM 

We got this in our mail the other day. Does any of us have a clue of the real truth of a presidential election?:

According to The Book of Revelation:
The Anti-Christ will be a man.


I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can!

Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!

A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality
that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to
themselves.

Pause a moment, reflect back.

These events are actual events from history.

They really happened!!!

Do you remember?

1.1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.

2.In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

3.In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

4.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

5.In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by
Muslim male extremists between the agesof 17 and 40.

6.In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger
was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying
to rescue passengers was murdered by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

9.In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by
Muslim male extremists between the agesof 17 and 40.

10.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.

11.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down
the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon
and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed
by
Muslim male extremists between the of17 and 40.

12.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against
Muslim male extremists between the agesof 17 and 40.

13.In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you�guessed it--
Muslim male extremists between the agesof 17 and 40.

No,I really don't
see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone,particularly fanatics intent
on killing us,
airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people...
Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline
pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security
detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and
Medalof Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,
but leave
Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40
alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

According to The Book of Revelation:

The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s who will deceive the nations with persuasive
language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal...the prophecy says that people
will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace,and when he is
in power,
he will destroy everything.


And Now:
For the award winning
Act of Stuidity
Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position
on the face of the Planet --
ThePresidency of the United states of America

A Muslim
Male
Extremist
Between
the,ages
of,17 and 40.


Havethe American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason
???

I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the
'unknown' candidate.

Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and
other attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense,feel
ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.
asthe writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put
it,


'Stupid
Is
As
Stupid Does.

 
 

Steven Thiessen
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July 18 2008, 3:10 PM 

Oh. My.

>>And Now:
For the award winning
Act of Stuidity
Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position
on the face of the Planet --

ThePresidency of the United states of America

A Muslim
Male
Extremist
Between
the,ages
of,17 and 40.<<

First off, Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim and people who keep implying that he is a Muslim should have their hands slapped.

Secondly, he is 45, not between 17 and 40.

Third, what is an extremist? He has not been bombing, torturing and detaining people. For that, you'd have to look over to the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, the present Commander-in-chief.




 
 

Stan
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Re: Real Men

July 18 2008, 3:51 PM 

Steve, exactly my same thoughts when I read that.

The continued propagation of the rumor that Obama is muslim is done by people who themselves know better, but are taking advantage of the current hysteria.

Regardless of who one is supporting in this race, one should care about blatent lies. Our political process was not founded on these kind of tactics.

 
 

Peter
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Re: Real Men

July 18 2008, 4:43 PM 

So, shouldn't these right wing evangelicals rush to the polls in hopes to elect an anti-christ?

After all they should do anything they can to speed the return of Christ!!

(now excuse me while I go shower after reading that tripe)


 
 


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July 18 2008, 5:21 PM 

Like I said how in the world is any one supposed to make a concientious concrete decision to vote for any one when we get so many conflicting totally different opinions.


I heard of a place where the minister got up and asked that those in the cong that had opinions for a certain family going thru a certain trial should please bring their opinions to the staff so they could be sorted thru because every one had a different opinion as to the course they are to take and the family' heads were nearly spinning with all the different views and some folks were gettin quite upset if their advice was not being followed.


How often are we doing this to each other? The very thing we hate in the other guy? Are we willing to give and take? are we willing to take a look and see if we are really right or are we getting proper info from a proper source?

I posted that because it was sent to me as a reason for thinking a certain way. In all honesty I am so tired of seeing, reading and listening to election propaganda that if it was over tomorrow it would not be too soon.

 
 
Nascar
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July 18 2008, 5:50 PM 

Oh paaaleeezzze, you got the name,, Barack Husein Obama, and its"Oh no, he's not muslim?" C'mon lets be reasonable here. You would think the forum self appointed super brains would AT LEAST be able to see that one coming, lets get real here dudes ,,, ok?

 
 
Nascar
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July 18 2008, 7:01 PM 

Now guys, ya see, thats like saying that an Unruh, a Thiessen or a Koehn is not a mennonite name !! They is not manonites now, but thats where it started!
(ok, just kidding!)

 
 

Peter
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July 18 2008, 7:45 PM 

Oh, and Nascar is a Muslim name, right?

Actually Nas, I wouldn't vote for Obama either, but I was more disgusted at how people take half baked numbers and try to create a conspiracy out of it. It had nadda to do with the fact it was about Obama.

Do you know how many U.S. and world leaders (and even King James Version) can be numbered to spell 666? Apparantly it's even on the pope's hat and all the Kennedy's names add up to that sum.

I just get really tired of people trying to use stupid numerical or data games to create these type of things.

by the way, if you use certain numerology, churchofgodinchristmennonite adds up to 667


 
 
RM_
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July 18 2008, 8:31 PM 

<<Third, what is an extremist? He has not been bombing, torturing and detaining people. For that, you'd have to look over to the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, the present Commander-in-chief.>>

This kind of quote illustrates well the upside down world that liberals live in....completely out of touch with reality....

Bush deserves credit for keeping this country safe from another terror attack for this long.

 
 

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July 18 2008, 8:52 PM 

Yup, lucky we had ole George around to slam the barn door after the cows got out!

 
 

Steven Thiessen
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July 18 2008, 9:29 PM 

While 9/11 was a dastardly deed and I am not trying to trivialise the distress and trauma caused by the events of that day, the question does need to be asked: How many innocent Afghani and Iraqi civilians have died as a result of American actions during the invasion (oops, sorry, that should be 'liberation') of their countries? I'd be willing to bet that it's a lot more than 3,000 or so individuals by now. Of course, we don't get to see the devastated family members of these victims getting interviewed on U.S. television nor do we get to see the effects that the 'liberation' has had on the people who have been permananently injured and disabled by the actions of their 'liberators'.

 
 

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July 19 2008, 10:16 AM 

I don't think we fight wars to even scores (you kill 10,000 of us and we kill 10,000 of you). Rather we fight to conquer the enemy which in my generation is Islamic extremists. While it is true that more have been killed on both sides during this war than lives lost in 911 we have to keep our eyes on the end goal...which is to root out and defeat Islamic extremists wherever it is found.

We can't allow ourselves to fight wars on the basis of how we feel after we've seen interviews of the maimed on both sides. We simply can't deal with it emotionally. Some can. Palestinians were dancing in the streets as soon as word arrived that the terrorists were successful in an attack against US civilians. Quite a contrast. We fight Islamic terrorists and try to minimize civilian casualties. The terrorists would love to bypass the military and maximize civilian casualties (and they do every chance they get). We are after the apparatus, they are after the population. Yet in the eyes of liberals our Commander in Chief, George Bush, is the extremist. These people will never learn until 2 or 3 United States cities are completely blown off the map...maybe not even then.


 
 

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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 7:38 AM 

I heard that Obama's grandparents (the white ones) are from Kansas, does he have H roots?

 
 

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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 7:48 AM 

Why is Obama considered a black man? He's every bit as much a white man.

 
 

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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 9:03 AM 

Is it politically incorrect to use the term "mulatto"?

 
 

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July 21 2008, 9:20 AM 

Who cares whether or not it is politically correct. I doubt Obama would identify as such though since it wouldn't give him the race whip that he needs to crack from time to time. He's not just an American running for prez...he's a Black American mind you!

 
 


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July 21 2008, 9:32 AM 

RM, how do you think we are doing in the war on Islamic extremists? We may be killing more of them then they are of us, but are we stamping the extremisms out of their hearts? Aren’t we looking for something sustainable? I mean, we can conceivably kill off the current generation of extremists, but are their 10 year old sons looking on and vowing to turn their backs on extremism, or are we fueling the flames for a bitterer and less tolerant generation to come?

We all agree Islamic extremism is a very bad thing. But unless there is very clear evidence they are guilty of terrorism to our nation, such as the Taliban and Alqida in Afganistan after 911, how can we justify a war based on what is in someone’s heart and mind? And when you invade someone’s country to fight terrorism, are they fighting back because they are terrorist or because you have invaded? Were they really a threat before you invaded?

 
 

Steven Thiessen
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July 21 2008, 9:53 AM 

Stan:

Very good post and very good points.

One person's 'Shock and Awe' campaign or 'War on Terror' looks a lot like another person's 9/11 terrorist attack. It all sort of depends on which side of the pond and which end of the missile one is sitting on.

Steve

P.S.
RM: (Also, FWIW, the footage of Arabs allegedly dancing in the streets in celebration of the 9/11 attacks has been claimed to be footage from a few years earlier, showing the celebration of some entirely different event).

 
 

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July 21 2008, 10:45 AM 

Stan, I think we are winning the war against Islamic extremists. We haven't been hit at home since 911. That's pretty good knowing how desparately they'd like to hit us at home. We have to win since our other option doesn't look very good. If we can deal firmly with nations that sponsor terrorism I think we will remain on the winning side. When I say "we" I'm talking about western civilization in general. There is no way that the US of A is going to do this on our own.

<<But unless there is very clear evidence they are guilty of terrorism to our nation, such as the Taliban and Alqida in Afganistan after 911, how can we justify a war based on what is in someone’s heart and mind?>> Stan, our intelligence agencies are pretty good at detecting radical Islamic groups that wish to terrorize. Isn't it in the interest of western civilization to deal with these guys BEFORE they are capable of attacking us? That wouldn't make us bad guys would it?

Steven, radical Islam is crazy. I'm sure they think we are the great Satan! If you aren't their brand of Islam you are the great Satan. We shouldn't expect the radical element to begin to think rationally because they won't. I like to think that we as free people understand the difference between good and evil.

 
 

Steven Thiessen
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July 21 2008, 4:29 PM 

>>Steven, radical Islam is crazy. I'm sure they think we are the great Satan! If you aren't their brand of Islam you are the great Satan.<<

A good chunk of U.S. brand conservative Christianity is crazy too (Falwell, Robertson, Hinn, that Florida guy, as well as all of the 'God-bless-America-crowd-and-who gives-a-****-about-the-rest-of-the-world-so-long-as-we-can-continue-our-environmentally-unsustainable-lifestyle-and-culture-and-keep-buying-cheap-Chinese-made-consumer-crap-at-WalMart-because-we're-going-to-be-raptured-and-it'll-only-be-those-'left-behind'-who-will-suffer-not-us-but-don't let-the-rapture-come-too-quickly-Jesus-life-is-too-good-here-we-don't-really-want-this-all-to-end-quite-yet) and many of its adherents believe Islam (and pretty much any other religious belief system besides their own) to be Antichrist.

 
 

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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 6:21 PM 

And your point is?

 
 
RM
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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 6:38 PM 

You want to equate "U.S. brand conservative Christianity" to radical Islam?...you go right ahead. You are out of touch with reality man!

And really, you shouldn't criticize my "environmentally-unsustainable" lifestyle...yours is no different. Actually, Canadians use more oil AND energy per capita than does the USA. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it! LOL BTW, you could use double the oil we do and it wouldn't faze me.


    
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"No Longer a Christian Nation"

July 21 2008, 10:38 PM 

----- "No Longer a Christian Nation"

As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror

as Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . .'we are no longer a

Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims,

Buddhists, . . .. As with so many other statements I've heard him (and

his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear

something like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To

think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to

be a Christian nation--and to have this man say with pride that we are

no longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding

fathers intended it to be.



I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your

concerns, written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your

email list. With God's help, and He is still in control of this

nation and all else, we can show this man and the world in November

that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation!



Please pray for our nation

 
 
Andrew
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Re: Real Men

July 21 2008, 11:27 PM 

There never has been and never will be a "Christian nation". Doesn't sound very patriotic does it? Truth and patriotism don't collide all that often.

 
 
Mark
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 4:19 AM 

There never has been and never will be a "Christian nation".

That's correct, but we should be a nation of believers.

 
 

Paris
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 5:58 AM 

Mark, what do we believe in? Christ? doesn't that make one a Christian?

What's wrong with being proud or thankful that we are Christians, or that we live in a Christian nation? Since when does being a Christian fall under "political correctness? probably when everyone no longer wants to admit they are a Christ follower and then just give our belief a blanket statement like "well I'm a believer"


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Steven Thiessen
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July 22 2008, 6:40 AM 

>>To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation<<

Oh. Puhleeaze. THAT's what the insurrection in the colonies in the late 1700's was all about??? I think not. 'No taxation without representation' was a bigger issue. Besides, England at that time was probably 'more Christian' than many of the founding fathers and their Enlightenment-inspired Deistic beliefs and principles.

 
 
Brent R
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July 22 2008, 7:39 AM 

Steven, how do you figure that conservative American Christians are crazy? Have they flown planeloads of innocents into buildings? Blown themselves up as suicide bombers? Cut off hands of thieves or thrown women off of tall buildings for adultery? Killed their daughters because someone raped them? Hung people off of cranes for being gay? Threaten to kill anyone that uses the name of God in vain or mocks their faith? How many faiths are tolerated and allowed to evangelize in Muslim countries? The problem you have is the "equal disease", every thing is equal, muslim=Christian=buddism=pagan. You also seem to have contracted snobby-ass liberal disease which causes you to look down your nose at conservative Christians and Americans in particular. Oh, and yes I am a conservative America-first Christian, who dislikes the war in Iraq, the Bush family, free trade, government regulation, oil hogs, multi-national corporations and liberal, gay or women ministers who forgot what the Scriptures say. And you know I can stand on a corner and say these things or write them and distribute them to all I meet and not be charged with "hate speech". That's what it means to live in the US, and I thank God for that blessing.

 
 

paris
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July 22 2008, 7:43 AM 




This view, that we were a Christian nation, was hold for almost 150 years until the Everson v. Board of Education ruling in 1947. Before that momentous ruling, even the Supreme Court knew that we were a Christian nation. In 1892 the Court stated:

"No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people...This is a Christian nation." There it is again! From the Supreme Court of the United States. This court went on to cite 87 precedents (prior actions, words, and rulings) to conclude that this was a "Christian nation".


Credits

How easy we forget.


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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:03 AM 

Paris, people forget the truth because they have let themselves believe the propaganda that claims that promoting a conservative Christian faith and life is intolerant to others and that we should be ashamed to hold strong Christian values.

 
 
Nascar
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:19 AM 

Brent R , the ACLU is a BIG pusher of the christians being "bad" for the country. I agree with your post. Hey Brent-ster, hows it going with the farm? More vandelisim? Or have things calmed a bit?

 
 
Andrew
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:31 AM 

So.... if enogh people believe a myth, then it must be true? If the Supreme Court declares something, it becomes right? This same "We claim it so it must be so" may well be one of the main reasons this forum came into existence.


 
 

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July 22 2008, 8:34 AM 

Hi Mr. Nascar! We are struggling along on our farm, mostly cash cropping (whenever I can scrape up the cash for fuel) just trying to get thru this year and hope for better next year! I'm darn glad to see you back here poking holes in balloons!

 
 

Paris
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:47 AM 

andrew, go get your own "myth"...maybe you can get a few billion people to stand with you on it. Then you can make a nation and a court and stuff.


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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 2:22 PM 




Within hours of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, this editorial became popular because it offers words of solace and encouragement for a nation in pain. However, what many missed was that it was actually written at a different time for different pain.

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

This, from a Canadian newspaper, it's worth sharing.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television Commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

America: The Good Neighbor.

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.

None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war mongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?

If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!

This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do.

I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I am just a single American that has read this,

I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT SOON.

This letter's praise of America's global altruism helped reassure the masses struggling to understand and recover from the worst terrorist attack in history. Its words are strong and empowering, but it predates September 11, 2001 by nearly three decades.

Canadian radio personality Gordon Sinclair wrote "The Good Neighbor" and read it on Canada's CFRB radio in 1973. It was a response to global negative sentiment toward the U.S. following its withdrawal from Viet Nam. Back then, transcripts and recordings of his editorial quickly started spreading across America.

Fast-forward 28 years to a time when the United States is once again stunned by a powerful "slap in the face" that some people around the globe feel was somehow justified. To offer solace, someone dusted off Sinclair's manuscript, removed references that dated it to 1973 and unleashed it on a wired public.

This one was just the first in a long line of essays in which an international authority purportedly stood by our side while the rest of the world seemed to be turning their backs on us. Not surprisingly, each chain that followed was also somewhat misleading. Break this chain.


Here is the actual website: http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/americans.html

 
 
Mark
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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:02 PM 

Paris,

People are believers or Christian as you prefer to say. Countries or nations cannot believe therefore could not be Christian.

 
 


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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 8:48 PM 

>>Countries or nations cannot believe therefore could not be Christian. <<


What?,,,Countries are made up of the people who are in them, is that what you really meant or are you just trying to get out of your statement of weak belief,,,Come on fight with me..



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Re: Real Men

July 22 2008, 9:35 PM 

are you just trying to get out of your statement of weak belief

No, I clarified my firm belief without firing a shot.

 
 


(Login myfathersson)

OK This is just too funny!

July 24 2008, 3:12 PM 

The Times UK by Gerard Baker

He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers. And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world. He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it. And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet. In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites. And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again. Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him. And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One. And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”



    
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the Child

July 25 2008, 11:02 AM 

ROFL

 
 
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