Do-it-yourself instructions on how to stop swearing and using bad language

Every morning when you get up, read this verse out loud: Let your speech always be gracious, so that you know how to respond to each one. Then say, I will not swear today. Then jump in the air three times while clapping and say, I can do it, I can do it!!! Then have a prayer and ask God to help you realize your affirmations.

This should work whenever it's tried. And yes, it is safe to try this at home.

I think the best way is to get a real case of Bible salvation. Personally I think swearing is sin and whosoever is born of God doeth not commit sin. To me it is a shock to see professing Christians say the bad four letter word and then profess right over top of it. But I guess if people think they can fornicate, commit adultery, and be a practicing homosexual and still be saved I should not be so shocked that some thing they can swear and be saved.

Qwerty,the thing is, most of us, other than you, are human, we fail, we get frustrated. Paul even says the things he knows he shouldn't do, he does. We're not all the perfect flawless, self rightous, Heavenly Qwertys running around this earth. It's wonderful that God knows we fail, and through Jesus forgives. Seems like you ought to be able to do that to. You have to be the most self rightous person I've ever encountered.Holdeman Hank and Amos are most definitely a quarter step behind you though.
Have a good evening, sir.

What the heck is "Bible salvation"??


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Paris, "Bible salvation" or "True" salvation is only attained through the following of Qwerty's Thirty.

Nas
>>>Qwerty,the thing is, most of us, other than you, are human, we fail, we get frustrated.

I think I am human also. I get frustrated also.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/frustrated>
1. disappointed; thwarted: an announcer who was a frustrated actor.
2. having a feeling of or filled with frustration; dissatisfied: His unresolved difficulty left him absolutely frustrated.

But I don't feel the need to swear when I get frustrated nor by God's grace do I have so little self control that I start swearing let alone make the concerted effort to type swear words in at the keyboard on a forum.

I think a good litmus test is to ask yourself. Could I not swear when I get frustrated if I received $10,000 each time. Or could I stop swearing for 30 days for $100,000. I think most pagan people could do this. How much more those that professing the name of Jesus.

Now if you can quit for money why not for Jesus whom you profess to love and who tells you in his Word not to swear and has promised you grace to keep all his commandments.

Let's let the Word answer that questions.

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:

>>>Paul even says the things he knows he shouldn't do, he does.

Rom 7 is Paul's experience under the law before he was converted.

Pre-Conversation:
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Post-Conversation:
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
1Th 2:10 Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblamably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:
2Co 6:4-6 But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labors, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
2Co 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
Act 24:16 And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.


I trust you can see the difference between his pre-conversation testimony and his post-conversation testimony.

Paris:
What... is "Bible salvation"??

Bible salvation is taught in the Bible and gives you victory over sinning vs the false salvation taught by most Protestant sects that gives you nothing more than what the blood of bulls and goats gave the people in the Old Testament time which Paul testifies of in Rom 7.

Rom 7:14 but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am!

What a great idea. No more sinning. Trouble is, once you've patrolled your spiritual naval, and shot every sin the the head with your Winchester lever action Qwerty-thirty, then you tend to give off a pherenome that makes you hard to stomach as a person. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. I'll take sourdough biscuits every time. Actually, its rather tedious, because once you've eradicated all your sins, then you go to the back of the class to start over on the spiritual pride thing. I'm afraid the only remedy for spiritual pride is a little sin in you life. Now by that, I don't mean the low down and dirty sin, but nice good clean sin.

It seems to me that judging yourself to be sin free is like looking in the mirror and declaring yourself handsome. A fella might want to get a second opinion.

Scott:
>>>What a great idea. No more sinning.

Yes a very good idea.

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

That is why Jesus came. To save us FROM our sins not in them.

>>>I'm afraid the only remedy for spiritual pride is a little sin in you life.

No. The remedy for spiritual pride is the grace of God. It is a haughty spirit comes before falling into sin. Sin can never bring humility and it will always increase the level of pride a person has. Sin is the cause of pride and can never be the solution to pride. Obedience is the solution to pride and can never be the cause of pride.

Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Qwerty,

>>>I should not be so shocked that some think they can swear and be saved.<<<

And I should not be so shocked that some think they can side with the Gnostic heretics in their beliefs and not be a heretic.

The only thing missing from your act is the "Bozo the Clown" outfit.

" Obedience is the solution to pride "


Yours is a case where you better go to Wal-Mart and get a 50 gallon barrel of it because you're
loaded with pride and self rightousness.

<<< Obedience is the solution to pride and can never be the cause of pride.>>>

All spiritual pride is rooted in a supposed superior "obedience", and the solution for spiritual pride is not to feed the fire with more self-applied obedience, but for God to take you behind the woodshed and beat the living **** out of you. In real-life, this beating takes the form of bankruptcy, interminable illness, divorce, etc. etc.

Scott, in this case I have to agree with you. I thought I was really sailing along and then barn fires, bankruptcy, injuries and getting tossed out by the Mennos for being D/R (along with the shunning) slapped back to reality. I know I'm low turd on the totem pole in most folks eyes anymore, I've decided to dig in for the long haul now and do the best I can!

>>I've decided to dig in for the long haul now and do the best I can!<<

That's a good approach - but don't forget that no matter how good your best may be, it will still never be enough to earn yourself a spot in the good place. Fortunately for you (and everyone else) it's not about earning, but about accepting and receiving.

Jerry:
>>>And I should not be so shocked that some think they can side with the Gnostic heretics in their beliefs and not be a heretic.

I realize that you feel like some one that believes and teaches that God has the grace to keep us from sinning is a heretic and I accept that. I am not a Gnostic in any sense of the term and I consider that a false charge.

Scott
>>>All spiritual pride is rooted in a supposed superior "obedience",

A person can have pride over anything. They can be proud for being a no good lowly sinner or that they think they are a very righteous Christian that lives closer to God that most other Christians. People can have pride in a brand new candy apply red Mustang or in a beater that is all rusted out.

Spiritual pride was found in the scribes and Pharisees as we are told by Jesus that they did all their works to be seen of men, they loved the praise of man, to sit in the chief seats, and to be called Rabbi. It was not only the things that they did but the reason they did them. They felt like they were better than others and looked down on the common person with disdain.

All these things are marks of spiritual pride.

In and of its self being obedience to the commandments of Christ can't be equal to pride or else we have Christ telling us to do something that will produce pride in us. Therefore we must conclude that when it comes to being obedience to Christ or claiming to be obedient to Christ that the only part of that which could be pride is the attitude in which the person sees themselves and others.

It then becomes a judgment call that we have to make concerning those that profess to life a straight and strict Christ life. This means you have look into a persons heart and discern their motives. Is this a humble child of God that considers themselves an unprofitable servant only doing that which is their duty and shows love, care, and concern for those in error. Or is this a proud and haughty hypocrite that is blind to all there glaring sins and is harsh, unloving, and proud of all their good works. A person that wants to be seen as some one that knows there Bible well and can out debate every one else, a person that loves and seeks the praise of man.

So I have disagree with you that obedience to the Bible equals pride.

>>>the solution for spiritual pride is not to feed the fire with more self-applied obedience... In real-life, this beating takes the form of bankruptcy, interminable illness, divorce, etc. etc.

The solution for spiritual pride in most cases is to get real Bible salvation. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Those that are proud will lack the grace God and will fall into many hurtful lusts and sins.

Qwerty, I'm not just trying to beat up on you. I mean this from the bottom of my soul. You reek of spiritual pride. Its a turn-off. I'm sure you are ok, as a person, but your religion is a PITA. You say God resists the proud, and now go back and review your own testimony of rejection and hardship. Be open to the idea that God is resisting YOU. Can't accept that? There's your pride.

Scott, I was thinking down those lines as well. As Fred mentioned a little while ago, it would be a good thing for Qwerty to find a church to settle down in, where he is a low man on the totem pole. There, perhaps, he could learn to accept the grace of God, instead of constantly trying to prove how good and virtually perfect he is.

"it would be a good thing for Qwerty to find a church to settle down in, where he is a low man on the totem pole."


Thats not going to happen guys. Qwerty is the type that is past being the low man, I don't care what church he attends, he's going into it with "I'm the hot dog here, just wait till I show you". No matter where he goes, he wants it done his way, there is no other way, his way is even better than Gods way. I've seen the "church hoppers" they're all like that, "my way is the right way". Nope,, WAY to much pride and self rightousness in this one to be any other way.

Scott:
>>>Qwerty, I'm not just trying to beat up on you. I mean this from the bottom of my soul. You reek of spiritual pride. Its a turn-off.

I don't have any problem with you giving me your view. I expect most sin-you-must professors to accuse any one that claims the blood can make them complete free from sin that they are proud. So I expect that from you. Most sin-you-must professors justify there sinning lifestyle by accusing any who claims by the grace of God to live an obedience life to be proud. I used to do the very same thing and feel the very same way until God opened my eyes.

>>>You say God resists the proud, and now go back and review your own testimony of rejection and hardship. Be open to the idea that God is resisting YOU. Can't accept that? There's your pride.

The Bible says that God resists the proud but give grace to the humble. The grace he give is the power to live an obedient life. My testimony of being rejected by the Restoration and the small hardship of loosing my Christian friends of 24 years and the probables I will encounter with my wife siding with the R is not God resisting me at all. Neither the R or my wife is God. I don't feel rejected by God in the very least.

Interesting take on things but I don't agree with you at all.

Qwerty,

>>>Jerry: I realize that you feel like some one that believes and teaches that God has the grace to keep us from sinning is a heretic<<<

That's interesting to me how you "realize" that, Qwerty, because that's not at all what I was referring to when I said, "I should not be so shocked that some think they can side with the Gnostic heretics in their beliefs and not be a heretic".

>>>I am not a Gnostic in any sense of the term and I consider that a false charge.<<<

It's not a false charge, Qwerty. It's a fact. You have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion.

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IRENAEUS, who was taught by Polycarp (a disciple of the apostles), said,

"And when we come to refute them [the Gnostics], we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole faith." (Irenaeus Against Heresies, book 1, chapter 21)

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IGNATIUS lived during the same time as the apostles. He was the second bishop in succession from the apostle Peter over the church in Antioch. Ignatius said,

"They [the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again." (A letter from Ignatius to the church in Smyrna, where Polycarp was residing as bishop, chapter 7)

Jerry:

Jerry said: And I should not be so shocked that some think they can side with the Gnostic heretics in their beliefs and not be a heretic.

Qwerty said: I am not a Gnostic in any sense of the term and I consider that a false charge.

Jerry said: It's not a false charge, Qwerty. It's a fact. You have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion.

Well the position that the Gnostics hold on Baptism and Communion is not what makes a person a Gnostic, nor am I siding with them on doctrines that could be seen as beliefs that make a person a Gnostic.

They read the Bible and I do that also but that doesn't make me a Gnostic. They believed in pray and I do also but that doesn't make me a Gnostic. Any more than someone believing in baptism regeneration makes someone a Campbellite or someone holding that the Eucharist to be the flesh of Jesus makes someone a Roman Catholic.

You may want to read the following article on Gnosticism so you know what are considered the teachings that would be cause a person to be seen as a Gnostic. It isn't baptism regeneration or transubstantiation.
http://www.gnosis.org/gnintro.htm

Your charge is false!

Qwerty,

>>>You may want to read the following article on Gnosticism so you know what are considered the teachings that would be cause a person to be seen as a Gnostic. It isn't baptism regeneration or transubstantiation.<<<

First of all I would like to point out 2u the fact that I didn't use the word "transubstantiation" as you injected into your statement. I do NOT believe in "transubstantiation". You might want to keep an eye on yourself regarding making mistakes like that.....especially when you are calling someone else out on doing the same type of thing on another thread. [On another thread, you said to wtk.....>>>No you didn't say "some" you said "many". Now you may have worded it wrong or some thing but that is what you did say.<<<

Qwerty, I am well aware of what the Gnostics believed. There were very many different views taught even among the Gnostics themselves, but there were some things that they all agreed on with each other. I am NOT calling you a Gnostic, because you don't hold to some of the obvious way out erroneous views that tied them all together. I AM saying that it is a fact that you have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion.

>>>They read the Bible and I do that also but that doesn't make me a Gnostic. They believed in pray and I do also but that doesn't make me a Gnostic.<<<

Let me say it once again just in case you missed it. I am NOT calling you a Gnostic, because you don't hold to some of the obvious way out erroneous views that tied them all together. I AM saying that it is a fact that you have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion.

I REJECT the above reasoning you are using to try and dismiss the fact that you have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion. Just because the apostolic churches in those days also read the Bible and prayed (and so did the Gnostic heretics) is not what we're talking about here. The Gnostic heretics also used to eat and sleep, but that doesn't mean that everyone who eats and sleeps has sided with the Gnostic heretics either. You have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding teachings which were ABSOLUTELY NOT BELIEVED by the apostolic churches in the days of these heretics, but ABSOLUTELY WERE BELIEVED by certain Gnostic heretics.

>>>Your charge is false!<<<

No it isn't. You just can't handle the truth.

You're a kool-aid sipping product of the false teachers of this generation, that's all.

So, you say, >>>I should not be so shocked that some think they can swear and be saved.<<<

And I say, >>>I should not be so shocked that some think they can side with the Gnostic heretics in their beliefs and not be a heretic".<<<

- - - - - - - - - -

IRENAEUS, who was taught by Polycarp (a disciple of the apostles), said,

"And when we come to refute them [the Gnostics], we shall show in its fitting place, that this class of men have been instigated by Satan to a denial of that baptism which is regeneration to God, and thus to a renunciation of the whole faith." (Irenaeus Against Heresies, book 1, chapter 21)

- - - - -

IGNATIUS lived during the same time as the apostles. He was the second bishop in succession from the apostle Peter over the church in Antioch. Ignatius said,

"They [the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again." (A letter from Ignatius to the church in Smyrna, where Polycarp was residing as bishop, chapter 7)

Jerry:
>>>First of all I would like to point out 2u the fact that I didn't use the word "transubstantiation" as you injected into your statement. I do NOT believe in "transubstantiation". You might want to keep an eye on yourself regarding making mistakes like that.

<<<Any more than someone believing in baptism regeneration makes someone a Campbellite or someone holding that the Eucharist to be the flesh of Jesus makes someone a Roman Catholic. You may want to read the following article on Gnosticism so you know what are considered the teachings that would be cause a person to be seen as a Gnostic. It isn't baptism regeneration or transubstantiation.

If you look at my post I didn't accuse you of holding to transubstantiation. All I stated was holding to baptism regeneration of transubstantiation are not marks of being a Gnostic.

>>>I am NOT calling you a Gnostic, because you don't hold to some of the obvious way out erroneous views that tied them all together. I AM saying that it is a fact that you have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding Baptism and Communion.

Ok my mistake, sorry about that, I can see that you didn't call me a Gnostic. But you did some thing very similar. You know that I don't hold to transubstantiation or baptism regeneration and you know that the Gnostics didn't either. So even those this is not one of the marks of being a Gnostic you make the point of trying to associate me with them to make me look bad.

That would be the same as my saying you are siding with the JW's because them belive in reading the Bible even though it is not the main mark of being a JW. JW are knows for OTVC, soul sleep, annihilation, and their numerous failed predictions of the end of the world. These teachings are the marks of the JW sect.

No accepting baptism regeneration and transubstantiation are marks of the Protestantism and are not marks of Gnosticism. The marks of Gnosticism are primarily that Christ was a spirit being and didn't have a real body and the believe that sinning didn't effect the spiritual being at all.

>>>You have sided with certain Gnostic heretics regarding teachings which were ABSOLUTELY NOT BELIEVED by the apostolic churches in the days of these heretics, but ABSOLUTELY WERE BELIEVED by certain Gnostic heretics.

Neither IRENAEUS or IGNATIUS hold any weight with me at all. I go by the Bible not any of the anti-Nicene fathers. IRENAEUS or IGNATIUS held many false teachings besides baptism regeneration and a teaching similar to transubstantiation.

But you know what Jerry. I expect these kinds of practices from you. If you feel comfortable with using the 4 letter swear word I think you are closer to the Gnostics than you are aware of. They were known to feel like sin had no effect on their soul at all and were very comfortable with willful sin. But still I would not call you a Gnostic as that would leave people with the wrong impression. I would consider you antinomian. While the Gnostics were antinomians that was not the main teaching they are known.

Here is a defination for antinomianism.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define:antinomianism

Also Jerry I thing we have reached the point again when our discussions are not profitable and I think the best thing is for us to go our separate ways. I wish you all the best in this life and in the next and will be praying for you as the Lord brings you to mind but Lord willing this will be my last post on this thread.

Christian love and prayers,
Qwerty

"Also Jerry I thing we have reached the point again when our discussions are not profitable and I think the best thing is for us to go our separate ways."

So in other words Jerry,, Bobbie Boy has just expelled you from the Church of God in Christ Qwertyonite,
and you are deemed ready for hell,consider yo-self mundane and theres just no two ways about it,
cause Bobbie knows all. And he shall herby hold Forum Avoidance on you. Gee, you must be really
hurt!! You surely must be ready to OD!!! (On Budwiser that is!!) Seek counseling, get all straightened
out and maybe, just maybe, he'll even speak to you again,,,,, isn't that exciting???

Qwerty,

>>>Also Jerry I thing we have reached the point again when our discussions are not profitable and I think the best thing is for us to go our separate ways.<<<

So take your heresies and depart from me then.

It's no big deal to me.

>>>Neither IRENAEUS or IGNATIUS hold any weight with me at all. I go by the Bible not any of the anti-Nicene fathers.<<<

Oh, you go by the BIBLE?

Well, the BIBLE says that Jesus said, "This IS my body."

Do you go by that?

I didn't think so.

The apostle Paul, Irenaeus, and Ignatius actually believed what Jesus said, and so do I.

Have another sip of your "you know what" on your way out, my friend.

Nascar,

>>>And he shall herby hold Forum Avoidance on you. Gee, you must be really hurt!!<<<

No, not really. lol

Qwerty can still provide me with entertainment from a distance.

>>Neither IRENAEUS or IGNATIUS hold any weight with me at all. I go by the Bible not any of the anti-Nicene fathers. IRENAEUS or IGNATIUS held many false teachings besides baptism regeneration and a teaching similar to transubstantiation.<<

Oh. My. What the heck do you think Irenaeus and Ignatius used as reference material for their views? Perhaps the writings that ultimately became part of the canon of scripture? Maybe the teachings of the apostles that had been passed on to them from either the apostles or those who knew the apostles?

But oh no, some 2 millennia later, here comes Qwerty who thinks he knows better than they do on these matters of core Christian doctrine.