The Kleefeld, Manitoba Holdechurch - Kleefeld being the place where Verle Peters, Robert Toews and others began their North American reign of destruction and terror after importing the Purge voodoo from Haiti. (We were driving through Kleefeld earlier this summer for completely un-H related business and I figured I should take a picture for the COG Forum).

Well, well, you can't have whitewalls on yo van, can't have a white car, can't wear a white dress/blouse,
no white socks or shoes,,,, but,,,,,, baby,, you show can paint up a sparkling white enamel church!
EXCOMMUNICATE THEM,,,,, EVERYONE OF THEM,,,, white spurit,,,, that's what they got!!

Maybe we should make a thread with pictures of all the Holdeman church houses in it? I wouldn't be surprised it would generate quite a bit of Holdeman traffic to this website.

I’ve never been here before, but when I view this photo I almost feel a primordial stirring deep inside.

I don’t know how old this church is, but there’s a strong possibility this is where my grandfather attended Sunday school when he was a boy.

Chimmy.. I seem to remember a calendar that some of my H relatives had that had charcoal like drawings of some of the H churches. What is the difference between having a drawing of the church and having an actual picture?

Kevin... doesn't that church remind you somewhat of Harrison?

You know, needle man, it does , kind of. I’m pretty sure I have a couple photos of the Harrison, MI church but there are people that you and I love in the image so it might not be right to post it.

Paris might have some.

Steve, thanks for the walk down memory lane. I can still smell the cow barn/aftershave combo on a sultry summer eve. Wow!

(btw, right behind the church bldg by the bushes is a nice quiet spot for a smoke and/or a beer)

>>Steve, thanks for the walk down memory lane. I can still smell the cow barn/aftershave combo on a sultry summer eve. Wow!<<

Peter, you know, I'd nearly forgotten about the 'Evening in Kleefeld' eau de toilette, but yes, there was always the smell of cows there, wasn't there? Another memory of that church is the two Isaac brothers who would regularly crane their necks to stare at the people behind them during the services.

>>(btw, right behind the church bldg by the bushes is a nice quiet spot for a smoke and/or a beer)<<

I left Holdeland at such a tender young age, that I never did indulge in those sorts of things there, but I would definitely believe that such a quiet spot would exist behind that building. Rosenort never really had enough trees around the church building back then for that, although I have had a few cigarettes behind there back in my smoking days since then. (Oh, and my brother and I have spiked our glasses of ice tea with 'fureign spurits' in the back corners of the church basement during a wedding reception. Desperate times call for desperate measures, you know. It's not THAT easy sitting with your dad at the little table next to the head table and doing your darnedest to try to be civil to people who shun your dad right in front of your eyes).

Is that it Kevin? I picked these up at the Harrison reunion. I think the Harrison church was called the Hamilton Mennonite Church because it was in Hamilton county in Harrison MI. I picked these up off of a table at the reunioun.

The older stone building was the original church and then they turned it into a school or something,,I think.

Anyway that's what I got.


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Hey Kevin,,before I move on from this crazy Holdiland,,I have a question maybe you can answer.

Since it seems that all the "unified" churches in the OTC/OTVC operate differently. What kind of church was the Harrison church? Where they the forgiving kind? Or did they practice witchcraft in the open,,, flaunting their spurit meters?

I don't even really know how to ask this question but I think you know what I mean..Don't you? What kind of church were they?


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>>Is that it Kevin? I picked these up at the Harrison reunion.<<

Yes, Paris,. The second one is the building I was referring to. Thank you.

>>Hey Kevin,,before I move on from this crazy Holdiland,,I have a question maybe you can answer.

Since it seems that all the "unified" churches in the OTC/OTVC operate differently. What kind of church was the Harrison church? Where they the forgiving kind? Or did they practice witchcraft in the open,,, flaunting their spurit meters?

I don't even really know how to ask this question but I think you know what I mean..Don't you? What kind of church were they?<<

First of all, Paris, don’t go anywhere. This forum needs outside views and opinions.

Second, this is the church my mom attended when she as a young girl.

I was never a member of this particular Holdi-church so I don’t know if they practiced witchcraft. I don’t know if they were the forgiving kind. I never sinned in their midst.

Your welcome Kevin and thank you for answering my question, but what does your mom say about the Hamilton church or was she too young to be affected by things, or maybe she doesn't remember either.

I thought that was a sketch of the Harrison church but since it didn't say "Harrison Mennonite Chruch" I wasn't quite sure. Plus the orientation of the church to the road looked a bit off to me, but I was a little nervous the day I was there.


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>>but what does your mom say about the Hamilton church or was she too young to be affected by things, or maybe she doesn't remember either.<<

Oh, trust me, Paris, she remembers! Of her 6 siblings, she and two others are Holdeman, (one being a Holdi-preacher) two are exed and two never joined. My grandpa and grandma (of course they were exed) divorced and both remarried.

How about that, Paris? Pretty scandalous, huh?

My mom’s family is about as diversified as it gets. You know what, though? I enjoy being around them when I can. Regular folks.

Oh thanks Kevin,,so it was just the regular shunning, avoiding, exing, busy body group keeping a couple in and taking a couple out so as to increase the scandalous drama at the next reunion, picnic, wedding, funeral..nothing new I guess. But thanks for answering.




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>>so it's just the regular shunning, avoiding, exing, busy body group keeping a couple in and taking a couple out so as to increase the scandalous drama at the next reunion, picnic, wedding, funeral..<<

Paris, you’ve been listening well. Oh the drama. At one of my Holdi-brother’s weddings it was my understanding that I would not be set at a special table for the reception lunch. Guess what? Surprise, surprise! The usher tried like hell to place my wife and me at the ex’ed table. I politely walked over to my dad and told him that we would not be staying for the meal. We went, instead, to the café in town to eat.

The avoidance only works if you allow them to hold it on you.

and drama it is. eapecially if you happen to be the exed parents of the bride or groom. and have about 150-200 outsiders coming that will not appreciate the H style of avoidance.
I have only ever seen it done at one wedding were it was basicly unnoticable to all and would have caused no hard feelings to anyone and that was at my nephews wedding in Macon. they had an extra large Bride's table that just happened to need 2 table clothes and with a very small gap the exed parent sat right there with them and there was no way that any one would have known, had they not known. I have to tell you I had to think a bit more of those folks.
The usual is to make it hell for the exed parent no matter which of the couple belongs to them unless you just put down your foot and say we are not participating. then it still ends up being a big fiasco with hurt feelings cause you won't allow them to marry their child off the way they want to.
We were told that the last time. I said "You just tell me where I have gotten to have a wedding the way I want to, this is the 3rd time I have had to go thru this stupidity, and I have 4 more to go. Do you really think I chose this in life?"
As the exed parent of the bride you walk on egg shells tryin to avoid making h upset. then a couple days before the wedding they walk up to you and say "you know we can't eat your food cause your exed, So we don't think you should pay for the food." That was when the foot came down and he said "this is my daughter and this is my responsibility and there are 200 people coming that are not H. so you don't have to eat if you don't want to."

Ah Great life if you don't weaken.

Love and prayers, Locklady

good luck


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>>then a couple days before the wedding they walk up to you and say "you know we can't eat your food cause your exed, So we don't think you should pay for the food."<<

Oh. My.