This is a message to the Holdemans. It is high time you pull your heads out and think about what you are doing in a home between a man and his wife.

Consider what is desired between husband and wife...that they respect, cherish, and love one another, and those things are predicated upon total loyalty.

My question is (really is it not a question), has your religious belief led you into a corner where you actually belief your ministers can invade a man's home, put his "baby" under their authority, condemn him to hell in the process, down load a canned set of teachings and doctrines to the wife that totally upsets their entire lifestyle, and do all this to a non-non-resistant non-believing man without unleashing hell in the process, and without completely destroying the tenderness and intimacy between them. And remember, this intimacy and tenderness is hard enough to achieve and maintain (as you all know) before the Holdemans even show up. Now man needs this kind of BS added to his load in life. There is no judgement to harsh for you folks.


You tell me how a man can tenderly love his wife when she is under the authority of men that he detest. You explain to me how this can work?????

There was a Satanic conference held in Sidney in 1998 and their vision statement was not to destroy the Holdeman Church (they have never even heard of your f*ing little cult) but rather, to destroy the family in any way possible. All of society is built on the marriage of one man and one woman in love and loyalty to one another, and when this breaks apart, destruction ripples on forever. Your Church is instrumental in greatly troubling marriages, and many are troubled anyway and you give it the last shove over the edge. All because YOU believe you have authority in a man home and believe you have the right to put the wife under your covering. I'm serving notice on you people. You are accountable to my charge. God, natural law, scripture, and common sense is totally on my side. Truth is not backing down, nor is it going away. You people are screwing up so bad it is incredible, and yet, it would appear that most of you are nearly to brain-dead to even be afraid.

Strong words Scott... hope your heart can find the release from those things that eat at it day after day and heal ... Some things we may never understand this side of the River and yet, let our motto's always be... BETTER.... not BITTER.
My best to you - your passion on what you believe is strongly sent out... and felt.

I can accept what you say.

But I don't want to derail this thread. I want the Holdman to consider how problematic it is that they are making decisions that delight the purposes of Satanist.

There is NOTHING a Satanist likes better than for a husband and wife to be divorced, the kids bitter and dissallusioned, and for the the self-righteous little abused wife to be the martyr and "faithful to god and his church" with her little head covering pulled down tight. Again, a former Satanist worshiper told me they love this outcome.

Sorry if i derailed it... I didn't mean to. I woulda sent an email your way... if! there'd been an address ...

Anyways.... Holdeman's, please DO consider the above words on "Protecting your home"

Hi, this is the first time I am responding to anything on this forum. I know exactly what Scott means when he says that the CGCM can rip up a home and marriage. They are trying to do the same to ours.
My husband was married before and I am expelled from the church. We married almost 17 years ago. 15 years ago we started going back to the CGCM. At the time we felt that this was the church for us. Well, they will not accept us in the church at this time and probably never will.
My husband is still for the church and I am having second thoughts. Our daughter is a member so it makes me a little scared to be posting to this site as I know my husband will hear about it but I could not be silent any longer.
It would make several people in the church very happy if we would just separate. I have told them that the only way I would do that would be if
God would take my love for my husband away. I was told that was not possible. I asked the minister if he would leave his wife and he told me his situation was different. I told him no it wasn't, I loved my husband as much or more than he loved his wife. I got no response. Basically, the reason they give us is that it has never been done before and they don't want to start a trend.
Not everybody in the church feels like our marriage is wrong but they are scared to say anything.
Please pray for us so that we can know what to do.

Is your pull to that particular church equal to your pull toward the Person of Christ Jesus or what exactly is the pull in yourself and your husband? Only Christ Jesus really matters to the sincere believer! He is not that high on the list in that group so far as I can observe as a piority. That's enough reason to move off and away from the group in my opinion. That's for you and your husband to determine however. Your marriage is as important as any of theirs and if Christ was in the middle of their system then that is how they too would look at it as well. You decide.

I understand that there are some good people in that group but the system of operation can be very bad at times. The church of Jesus is really the people who have been called out of darkness, but that is not how they look at it. They say their perfect set of doctrines and precepts is the church and the authority that those things weild. With that type of system do you really want to be there?

I was not hurt by them other than for a very short term of pain by the rejection. The judgements did't hurt me so much but they certainly did not draw me. The pain was experienced once I was truly born again many years after I was away from the group. The fact that they rejected me and my testimony was hurtful! That however is nothing compared to what occurs when a marriage gets inbetween the gears. I say that to say that I do not labor under a sense of personal loss or rejection. What I say to you, I say because I see others greatly hurting.

"Basically, the reason they give us is that it has never been done before and they don't want to start a trend."

That is so sad that our leadership wouldn't want to start a trend of showing grace, mercy, kindness and compassion. Who knows where that could lead to? You'll be in our prayers.