The Satanist are dead serious against God and against His Kingdom. They pray and plot against it. If there is one thing in this world they would have a bullseye on and would want to destroy, it would be the highest manifestation of God's truth on this earth. WHY HAVE THE SATANIST NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THE HOLDEMANS?

But no, they are not praying or plotting against any denomination. They are praying and plotting to place stresses between husband and wives to break up the family. Richard Koehn from Scott City admitted to me several years ago that when one is a member and one is not, that this would place additional stresses on the marriage. So if the Satanist are plotting against marriage, and the Holdemans come along side, placing huge additional stresses on the marriage, may we enquire as to who they really serve?



I want some Holdeman to give a credible answer to this question. If CGCM is the highest manifestation of truth on the earth, why has the Church of Satan never heard of you?

I have heard variations of this statement by H ministers over the pulpit - As the people of God, I believe Satan tries even harder to get us trapped any way he can, to deceive us and try to get us to take our eyes off of God, to be complacent and lukewarm.

Those statements are all very likely true. But yet, looking on, that doesn't seem to be taken seriously or even questioned. If it is, many times the emphasis is put on rules etc. So many times, whole sermons pertain to the little nuances of life, and while not altogether insignificant, they do not feed the soul with the truth in God's Word. So few sermons really go deep into the Word and give light and life for our daily walk with Him. Could it be Satan's distractions?

GM, your post cannot be reconciled with what the Satanist told me.


<<< As the people of God, I believe Satan tries even harder to get us trapped any way he can, to deceive us and try to get us to take our eyes off of God, to be complacent and lukewarm.>>>

Presumption number one: You are the people of God. Oh really!

Presumption number two: Satan gives you special attention. Funny that as far as I know, the world-wide Church of Satan does not even know you exist.

Presumption number three: That you believe Satan if trying to get you in the ways that you think he is, and that he is not trying to get you in the ways you think he isn't.

Satan's plan (same plan as for the Galatians, Collosians, and Ephesians). Get you totally absorbed fear that you are slipping from self-abasement, self-denial, beards, head-coverings, and to distract you from real problem that will send you straight to hell which is breaking marriages, leaving your first love, valuing doctrine over people, power and abuse of the laity, form rather than substance, letter rather than spirit, and most of all, CHURCH WORSHIP.

Dang, you can't miss it further than that. They think Satan is trying to get the people to lose confidence in the Church, and Satan is trying to get you more confidence in the Church. Big decisions to be made here. Which is it?

>..and that he is not trying to get you in the ways you think he isn't.<


That is exactly my point. For instance, during a conference, isn't most of the discussions and deliberations regarding the strengthening of the OTVC belief, i.e. church worship? How much is actually talked about in drawing closer to God? Isn't it mostly talking about cellphones,dress,who next to allow into the church in regards to D&R?



>and to distract you from real problem that will send you straight to hell which is breaking marriages, leaving your first love, valuing doctrine over people, power and abuse of the laity, form rather than substance, letter rather than spirit, and most of all, CHURCH WORSHIP.<


Agreed.

GM, you are aware (I hope) that when I use the term "you", I am not referring to you (as in GM), but rather, the corporate "you" as in "become one like all the rest".



Here is the full comment from the MOT article submitted by VS today.
"Perhaps your greatest challenge will be to lose your identity and become one like all the rest. "

Yes Scott, I assumed you meant the H corporate body.

>"Perhaps your greatest challenge will be to lose your identity and become one like all the rest. "<

That one definitely caught my attention too. I agree that is quite a challenge. Somehow that 'losing your identity' sounds familiar. Didn't..uh..Mao promote that in China? Hmm..

Like my friend told me once, Her teenage daughter and her were talking about us and the H church and the daughter commented. "Mom I cannot even see how LL could make a good mennonite, she is not plastic enough, she just doesn't come out of the cookie cutter too good".

You know Scott, the only problem with your analysis is that according to scriptures the whole world is run by Satan, and I repeat, according to scriptures that's what's stated, and that any religious huckster that should have a cause against you could build a case showing you worship Satan when that wasn't your intention at all.

Brent

That's a good point Brent.

We worship satan by merit of the fall if we like it or not, until we give over to, or are converted to, the worship of the Spirit of God! The central truth of Spirit is the baptism of unconditional Love, this delivers us from the worship satan. When we did not like what we were doing or even when we were unaware of what we were doing, we were worshiping the enemy. "As sparks fly upward we were born unto trouble."

Sin is a state of being. The worship of satan is a state of being. That is why we actually must be born again. We were bore wrong and a real mess the first time. All things can become new. We can be a new creation.

The problem is this; once this newness of life occurs we can fall back to the beggarly law/letter in which process we fall from the premise of Grace. We really become troublesome at this point to others for at this point we will assume a certain authority that is not of the Spirit!

This case can be made.

That's a good point Brent.

We worship satan by merit of the fall if we like it or not, until we give over to, or are converted to, the worship of the Spirit of God! The central truth of Spirit is the baptism of unconditional Love, this delivers us from the worship satan and from the state of sin. "By one Baptism are we all Baptized into one body!" When we did not like what we were doing or even when we were unaware of what we were doing, we were worshiping the enemy. "As sparks fly upward we were born unto trouble."

Sin is a state of being. The worship of satan is a state of being. That is why we must actually be born again. We were born both wrong and a real mess the first time. All things can become new. We can be a new creation.

The problem is this; once this newness of life occurs we can fall back to the beggarly law/letter in which process we fall from the (premise of) Grace. We really become troublesome at this point to others for at this point we will assume a certain authority that is not of the Spirit of God!

This case can be made.