Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:31 AM
Yes I am very Liberal.
And do not think religion has any place in the government.
I think Obama is great guy and support him all the way.
Not that it really matters though as I am a Canadian.
The last thing we need in this world is more governments
That mix religion and politics.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:52 AM
Jeff, could you explain 'very Liberal'? What are your core basic values you would like to see in a government? In what way is Barak Obama pushing your hot buttons?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 11:21 AM
GM
Well let’s see. I may not support all abortion
But I believe in a woman having the freedom to
Make her own choice. Government should stay out of it.
Government is responsible for providing healthcare
To all people regardless of who they are. Citizen or not.
All guns should be banned.
Freedom of religion, but also free to not be religious.
I hate taxes but they are needed to run a country.
All people are equal and deserve the same rights
Regardless of there age, color, race, sex or sexually orientation.
These are all very important to me in a government.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 12:00 PM
>>All guns should be banned.<<
Statistically, anywhere a gun ban is enforced, the crime rate goes up, such as in the UK, in which crime went up by 40%. But I am definitely for some sensible gun laws, such as banning AK 47's to the public.
Also, how could you enforce a gun ban? Is a criminal going to give up his guns to the authorities? Most criminals try to use unregisterd guns anyway.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 12:05 PM
>>Government is responsible for providing healthcare<<
Everywhere that is tried it is a dismal failure. Where do dignitaries from other countries go when they need special medical attention? That's right, the United States, not Canada, anyway in most cases.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 12:07 PM
Peter:
You should know im not in the closet.
And this weekend? Sure you got more work for me ļ
Nas:
Its people like you that cause all the problems
Not use open minded liberals who take the time to
Learn the facts in an unbiased way
Obama is not a Muslim and never was.
And it was not Muslims who blow up Trade Centers it was Terrorists.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 12:17 PM
>>Freedom of religion, but also free to not be religious.<<
The liberals in the US do everything within their power to stamp out religion, from the universities to the kindergartens.
From a blog:
3. liberals 437 up, 352 down love ithate it
Left-wing idiots of America, they claim to love the country, yet at the same time contradict themselves by bashing any actions taken by the government to protect our nation. They say they love freedom, but will be the first to deny any action that spreads freedom in the world. Their main philosophy is "protecting peoples' rights" and they do this by bashing Christianity calling it "an infringement of people's freedom", although they will grant freedom to rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, thus endangering people. With liberals in control, anarchy would occur. The ACLU (Anti-Christian Liberal Ulcers), will criticize a business for simply using the word Christmas or putting a nativity scene in the mall, but will allow Islamic groups to hold religious meetings in a public school. Liberals will support abortion, saying that "its the woman's choice" without any regard to the baby that is killed. These idiots are trying to redefine the real definition of marriage (man and woman) into man and man, in an attempt to make being gay seem normal. Liberals will support welfare programs in response to unemployment, but in time this creates more unemployment as a lazy generation of welfare receipients is created. When asked to defend their policies, Liberals will jump around the issue, since they have nothing to back up their beliefs. These left-wing lunatics will put out terrorist-supporting propaganda such as "Fahrenheit 911" in attempt to defeat the fact that these ruthless terrorist factions exist. Sadly, the media brainwashes more and more Americans into the Liberal cause. These people cannot think for themselves and unfortunately the majority of young people are liberals. There is a saying and it goes: "If you're not a Liberal by age 20 you have no heart, if you're not a Conservative by age 40, you have NO BRAIN!" I guess I have no heart then, but at least I can make sensible decisions!
These liberals make me sick with their hypocrisy!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 1:28 PM
Fred:
I spose some peolpe would have just cause to have a gun.
But there are very few people who hunt.
Any one with a hand gun in my mind is a criminal.
And should be charged and face the law.
And any one who lives in a city should not have one for sure.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 1:41 PM
"Wrestling with a pig will just get me dirty to "
Yeah, from what I hear your kind can get into some really weird positions, so I don't doubt that
you can wrestle with yourself and never know just how dirty ya are.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 2:00 PM
<<<
Abortion is legal here
Health care is free
Gay marriage is legal
It’s almost heaven here in Canada
>>>
So "heaven" is the "right" to kill innocent babies, the right to get something for nothing, and the right to "love" in the most repugnant way possible. When Mark Twain quipped "heaven for climate, hell for company", he just couldn't see where this thing was going to go.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 2:17 PM
Peter Peter
Be carfull now you might be accused of being a gay lover now
and if you noticed I didnt not play into there trap and
turn this into another gay debate
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 2:49 PM
The way these guys think they DO deserve Obama. But I'm not a fan of him. I'd have to go Repub on this ticket but pretty much anything should be better than the last eight years.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:01 PM
I'm backing out of this one. I want to be a man that contends with ideas rather than labels. Therefore, I apologize and I am deleting all my previous post.
But I'm telling you Jeff, you little so and so, not protecting the innocent ones like little helpless babies puts you in my doghouse and thats a fact...and thats what drove my pejorative towards you. I do not go around cracking snide remarks at gays, but I try to be for the underdog, and in this case, its the babies and not you.
This message has been edited by oldmanrip on Sep 16, 2008 3:05 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:10 PM
Scott
No hard feelings
And just to clarify im not saying lets go promote abortions
And use it as a form of birth control
But I believe each woman has a unique and personal life
And are some cases it is the right thing to do
Not many things are simple black or white decisions.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:12 PM
Thanks Scott. I've known you to be a man of reason and ideals. (I've edited as well)
Now, to be vehemently pro-life is a worthwhile cause. How about birth control? Seems like young Ms. Palin could have used some free condoms at her school.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:19 PM
Tr, and holdemans, now here is where you are on track with 1 Corithians 5:11, you got a pair of
sexually immoral guys that promote the kind of filth these do, and advocate baby butchering. I doubt
any ex would argue in holding avoidance with this kind.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:54 PM
If we're talking about baby butchers, one might well ask the question as to how many babies have been butchered in Iraq since Dubya invaded it. Oh, sorry, that's 'collateral damage', not butchery.
Oh, and if sanctity of life is so important, why are billions and billions of dollars being spent in Iraq on military operations while millions of kids in Africa and various other parts of the world starve to death, or die of malnutrition or disease? Or is sanctity of life only something that American fetuses are worthy of and little black kids in the Sudan are sh*t-out-of-luck because they didn't happen to be born in the US of A?
This message has been edited by StevenThiessen on Sep 16, 2008 3:58 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 3:59 PM
Steven , I doubt one single baby has died at the hands of the Americans, but you Canadians don't
give the Americans credit for the many babies that have been saved from the hands of Saddam. Its
amazing those numbers don't count with you extreme liberals.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 4:02 PM
Steven, these right wingnut fundies are fighting the bad guys over there cause they don't have democracy. i.e. they don't allow their citizens CHOICES. Just like these right wing holdies don't want anyone to have any CHOICE except for how THEY think.
Nas, the great onetruechurch of Nas needs to expand the old mind just a little.
You take away everyone's freedom of choice, don't complain when the government takes away yours.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 4:02 PM
Ha! Extreme liberal? It's funny, because I will, in less than one month's time, be casting my ballot, as usual, for the Conservative Party of Canada's candidate in my riding (electoral district).
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 4:05 PM
Nas, you have no idea how or what I believe. You just go spouting of your puny mouth without reading or listening.
People like you and RM really scare the bejeebers out of me and make me very thankful I'm not from the u.s.
Now there are very many great Americans who can hold a debate and bring forth reasonable arguments. I guess one should know better than to think you could find them in Kansas!
edit: by the way, we are probably very close on the abortion issue. But like any good holdy, you right away assume anyone with an open mind is a raving sinner bound for the ethereal barbeque. sometime you should stop and find out what other people think without your holdie prejudice. It can be quite enlightening.
This message has been edited by twinspapa on Sep 16, 2008 4:08 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 4:26 PM
Pretty nice conversation you guys have been having here. I'll only add that:
1. Yes Jeff, I'm also glad you live in Canada
2. I also agree with your wish that Obama was Canadian, Oh Boy do I wish that were the case!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 4:43 PM
Extreme liberal? It's funny, because I will, in less than one month's time, be casting my ballot, as usual, for the Conservative Party of Canada's candidate in my riding (electoral district).
Steven, this is the funny thing. See, at least you excercise your franchise. Half of these guys who are soooo opinionated on political issues don't even do that.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 5:04 PM
So Stephen will your conservative party liberalize gun laws, reinstitute the death penalty, restrict abortion, make english the only official language, rebuild and expand your military, free up your farm restrictions (milk, egg quotas etc), and end gay marriages or are you more like our "conservative" Democrats?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 5:06 PM
Peter why do you resort to saying "everyone hates americans"? it's the same as anyone else who says they hate for any reason. People can have different opinions without hateing.
I don't hate Jeff or people who get abortions,, I just don't like their sin.
Then when Nascar misspelled a word that became a bigger problem with you then hanging out with gay people..
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This message has been edited by pariskat... on Sep 16, 2008 5:08 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 5:14 PM
And just so you all know I voted for Stephan Harper (Conservative)
I am more Libral but will probly vote for him agin
Hes actualy a fairly level headed guy
Our Libral guy here is a bit of a wing nut
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 5:42 PM
Peter Jeff and Steve...I might be voting for the Green party of Canada. I am having a tough time dealing with the "sweater vest" Stephen Harper and Dion is completely out of touch with reality.
Cast my protest vote to the greens...go Elizabeth.!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 5:47 PM
O--O Farmer Brent; I was kind of with you till you stepped over the line, milk quotas and then EGG quotas. I am not into quotas but my family was involved at the onset of these in the 1960s.
We saw some pretty good clips of double speak... what about the sugar price controls and the rice quotas in this country... I suppose they do not count.
And further, when we immigrated to the USA I used to for curiosity, keep track of chicken and egg prices at the retail level. They were pretty much the same as Canada. And what did Canada have that was impossible in the USA? We had and still have profitable family farms, families making a decent living on a farm. The poultry production in the US had been in corporate hands since the 1960s. My question, who is pocketing all the money here ? Its sure not family farms.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:03 PM
The poultry production in the US had been in corporate hands since the 1960s. My question, who is pocketing all the money here ? Its sure not family farms.
I think the "family farms" do alright they get subsidized by the government,,,just like the Canadian health care. Everyone is picking the pockets of the middle class everywhere.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:08 PM
I got a feeling, Hank, that what we do here in the ol' nutty US of A, would not get winked at in the great white north. Like the Beretta pistol in my dresser drawer (locked and loaded of course), the milk we drink straight from the cows (oh and the butter we are working on making for our use and whoever else wants to buy some), the eggs we sell in the neighborhood (unlicensed and uninspected of course), our being able to stand on the streetcorner and shout out that homosexuality is wrong and that people should speak English (or at least our version of it) if they want to live here. Oh and most importantly, we can root for the Packers here!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:13 PM
>>So Stephen will your conservative party liberalize gun laws<<
Nope
>>reinstitute the death penalty<<
Nope
>>restrict abortion<<
Nope, The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled on that. It's like Roe v. Wade in the US.
>>make english the only official language<<
Nope. We've had two official languages for years and I see no reason why that should change, particularly when a very significant percentage of the Canadian population is of French extraction.
>>rebuild and expand your military<<
Yes, they already have been doing so.
>>free up your farm restrictions (milk, egg quotas etc)<<
Doubtful. On some levels I wish they would, because as it stands, those who were/are fortunate enough/rich enough to obtain the quotas basically have a license to print money and the average farmer who would like in on the gravy train has no realistic chance of getting into it. So the corporate farms are not making the money. It's a relatively small group of farming families who make a very, very good living while the rest have to take their chances on the free market system and sell their hogs, cattle and grain on the open market without an artificially inflated selling price for their products. Non-quota farmers are allowed to raise a maximum of 500 chickens per year for slaughter and can keep a maximum of 99 laying hens. All of this to protect the 'family' chicken farms.
>>end gay marriages or are you more like our "conservative" Democrats?<<
Since the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that gay and lesbian Canadians have the right to marry, their's very little any party can do to change that. Again, sort of a Roe v. Wade type of thing.
Bottom line: Canadian Conservatives are not the extremist right-wing reactionaries that masquerade as 'conservatives' in the US. For that, I say, "Thanks be to God."
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:24 PM
I never seen such exholdeman bigotry. But look, their posts can't endure.
I'm going to tell you exholdemans something that finally find yourselves divided but might want to live better. Never give another exholdeman the time of day. They have one of the most intolerant religions I know of. And they can be divided by nothing more than the tired old American arguments of gayness and abortion.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:26 PM
>>Sirius, I just figured that Canadians are a lot like the folks over in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota, just in need of a little direction.<<
Brent R, speaking of direction, I invite you to come, some morning, and observe the I 94 bridge crossing that connects MN and WI over the St. Croix river.
That’s right, all the cars heading west bound are from WI. They enjoy talking smack about MN but they sure love coming over here to work.
Come back to the same bridge in the evening and sure enough, all the cheese heads are scurrying back home.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:32 PM
They have one of the most intolerant religions I know of. And they can be divided by nothing more than the tired old American arguments of gayness and abortion.
Brent, I'll never admit this in public.... but I've been starting to see your point over the last few months. I don't think they are any more intolerant than the church they come from, they just haven't got over that part of the culture yet. But, to quote our departed friend Fransisco..... "there is hope".
Oh, and Paris, you missed a very blatant tongue in cheek: Nascar didn't mispell anything. I am proud to call Jeff my friend. I do not base my friendships on creed culture or persuasion. I have friends from varying walks of life (including holdemans, lol)
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:35 PM
I always figured that "go along to get along" like your politcal parties seem to do results in a guy getting run over.
BrentR, speaking of compromise (which I assume you were inferring) I never thought I would see a room full of Republicans cheering a teenage out-of-wedlock-pregnant girl either.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:39 PM
I just wanted to hear you say that again Peter,,I enjoy YOUR open mindedness.
Oh I guess I did miss the tongue and cheek,, there was a lot of deleting going on.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:39 PM
I may have been misunderstood when I said family farms "here". I meant here in the USA in poultry, there are no family farms; family farms are NOT getting the money in the USA; it is going to large integrated farming corporations, like Tyson, etc. In Canada, in poultry and milk, the family farm has survived.
Steven does make a point though about the Canadian farmers "closed shop unions" in poultry and milk. However, this is gradually breaking down... but guess what Steven; it will fall into the hands of corporate farms, and not into more family farms. It will follow the USA in this respect and is already happening.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:40 PM
Ha! Sirius, you caught me! Yup I live in Cheese land, but on the eastern side, far far away from Viking land (oops, can you say Vikings 0-2 Packers 2-0?).
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:43 PM
I like Canadians.I married one.I don't mind if these libs from Canada want to hide behind the protection of Uncle Sam.I just shudder though when I think of Obama getting to be the Prez. All the heavenly things that Jeff enjoys will rain down on us like a curse.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 6:54 PM
Dale, I read today that Elizabeth May is hoping to become an ordained.....drum roll...... Anglican priest!! oh boy, Stevie, might need to think about switching churches!!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 7:13 PM
Peter, you need to remember that those folks were cheering the unwed, pregnant teen BECAUSE she's going to do the right thing, keep the baby and marry the father! Being responsible and doing the right thing these days deserves all the cheers possible. Far better then going with the flow and aborting the baby or shacking up or entering into a homo marriage (gay is such an abused word these days).
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 7:26 PM
BrentR, well, my life partner and I 'shacked up' for a few years. Worked on building a solid relationship, ran off to Vegas and got married. Then we found out we were going to have twins. I guess I'd make a good Republican. lol.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 7:30 PM
Peter, I "shacked" with my wife for a year before we got married, not something to be proud of, back then I wasn't the brightest fish! Vegas wedding! Did Elvis attend? I was to Vegas in '75, lost every dime I had, gambling is for suckers!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 7:35 PM
"Have fun being a Packer Backer! "
How interesting, the difference in people. Brent R is a Packer Backer, Jeff is
a Backer Packer. Sorry, couldn't resist one more hit before beddie-by-O !
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 7:46 PM
BrentR, we couldn't get Elvis, so we we had an Episcopalian priest do the ceremony. Dinner by Emeril Legasse. I love Vegas; been there 5 times so far and haven't gambled yet. There's too much else to do, and I agree, gambling is for suckers.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 8:32 PM
Jeff... wow!!!!
"I don’t believe it’s a person till birth." So you are ok with women having an abortion 2 days before she is ready to give birth? No? What about 2 weeks? No? What about 1 month before giving birth? You know... babies definitely can survive outside of the womb that early. What about 2 months? Oh.... yeah.. they can survive that early also? Shall we try 3 months? Guess what... babies cans survive that early too? Hmm... how about 4 months early? Guess what... they can survive that early too....
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 8:39 PM
Peter.. Hey now. What's with this statement?!? "I guess one should know better than to think you could find them in Kansas!" ARGH!!!! mumble, mumble, mumble...lol
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 8:43 PM
Sirius... "Shoot, I shacked up with my wife for about 4 years. I recommend it." Hmmm... wonder what your wife would rather have.... if she could choose between having married you before living together......
Maybe I'm nuts.. but I tend to think most women would much rather get married first.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 8:46 PM
Lark
I’m not into debating how soon a baby would survive out of the womb.
I will take your word for it.
For some women it would be very wrong to have an abortion.
But one hard and fast rule simply can not apply to all.
Were did freedom of choice go?
Or the mothers own health come into play.
Wow!!!! that's rather amazing isn't it? Now how many of those mother's health issue.... could the mother actually have the baby and the mother would be just fine? There are a LOT of options that can be done for the mothers' health and still have her carry the baby just fine.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:08 PM
So here's a thought for the Christian Repubs here.
Instead of leglislating choice (or no choice) and ranting about abortions and wishing being gay was illegal.......
......how about going out and introducing your neighbors to the teachings of Christ? Get them all saved and see America change without leglislation.........
.....or don't you really have anything to offer them?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:10 PM
Sirius.. "Lark, I don’t understand your question here. Obviously if my wife and I lived together before marrying, it was her choice also." Yeah.. it was her choice also.. BUT the question is.. if she could choose between marrying you first (and you agreed ) .. which would she rather do.. marry first or live together and then get married?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:13 PM
Lark
If your read all my comments I did say abortion.
Should not be a form of birth control.
And even if it is only 3% that are for health reasons.
Why do those 3% not count?
Just goes to show one hard fast rule dose not fit every one.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:15 PM
Jeff.. so do you have a proposal of how to help those 95% of people who are using abortion as a birth control method? Yeah.. educate them about sex... hand out condoms etc., BUT obviously THAT isn't working.....
This message has been edited by larkagain on Sep 16, 2008 9:18 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:16 PM
Lark, I was just getting ready to respond with something similar, something I heard a medical professional say the other day. The largest percentage of abortions are for the convenience due to the inconvenience.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:17 PM
>>Yeah.. it was her choice also.. BUT the question is.. if she could choose between marrying you first (and you agreed ) .. which would she rather do.. marry first or live together and then get married?<<
Okay, Lark to earth. It was her choice. She chose to live together before marriage. I don’t dictate the choices my wife makes nor does she dictate the choices I make. We do, however, try to come to an agreement and obviously that is what we did way back then.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:22 PM
Sirius..... Of course you came to an agreement. That's not the issue. Neither is it an issue of controlling what your wife does/did. Just curious though... have ever asked her? Something like.. if I would have asked you to marry me before we decided to live together.... Would you have rather done that?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:24 PM
Lark & GM
There needs to strict guide lines or laws set out,
What abortions are appropriate or not.
And im not sure what they should be.
All im saying there needs to be flexibility for
Each individual woman and her unique case.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:31 PM
>>Brent R, speaking of direction, I invite you to come, some morning, and observe the I 94 bridge crossing that connects MN and WI over the St. Croix river.
That’s right, all the cars heading west bound are from WI. They enjoy talking smack about MN but they sure love coming over here to work.
Come back to the same bridge in the evening and sure enough, all the cheese heads are scurrying back home.<<
At least the WI people come there to work! Every weekend here: guess what? The highways are packed with impatient mud ducks dragging their big boats behind them to clog up our lakes and live in their week end cabins. Mud ducks are the most impatient, rude drivers, like they forget they are not in the big city anymore; but the thing that drives me up the wall is the way they pass on double yellows in these hills here! Happens all the time! At least people are reporting them more. I hoot with glee everytime a cop gets one.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:34 PM
Jeff, I agree. And know that I am not trying to be difficult with you. But I have always noticed this with the pro-choise people, when you pin them down to how they really feel about abortion, they will usually come to a similar conclusion.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:34 PM
Sirius.. if you weren't ready to tie the knot, then why were you ready to live together? Did tying the knot make any difference to you at that point? (by that point..I mean tying the knot after you had been living together for 4 years.)
This message has been edited by larkagain on Sep 16, 2008 9:39 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:38 PM
>>Sirius.. if you weren't ready to tie the knot, then why were you ready to live together? Did tying the knot make any difference to you at that point?<<
Living together is easier, Lark. When we knew we were compatible we tied the knot.
Would you buy a new car without test driving it first? See how simple life can be?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:43 PM
GM
If you read the stuff I wrote I never
Did say I thought it was ok for all abortions
It’s just as soon as I mention I’m open to it
In some cases all you conservatives
Go screaming to the hill tops saying im out to lunch.
It all gos back to same thing being open to what others have to say
And coming to common ground it can be reached
Most times if all cool down and give in a little.
I’m not as far out liberal homo as you may think.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:46 PM
Sirius.. you don't think that people can know they are compatible before marriage without living together?
Comparing testing out marriage to testing out a new car? Now that's funny!!!!! A person could "test" drive their marriage by living together AND still not have it all figured out and it still falls apart. (Which is what I see many, many of them do.)
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:52 PM
>>Sirius.. you don't think that people can know they are compatible before marriage without living together?<<
No, I don’t, Lark. I’m a proponent of living together before marriage.
>>Comparing testing out marriage to testing out a new car? Now that's funny!!!!! A person could "test" drive their marriage by living together AND still not have it all figured out and it still falls apart. (Which is what I see many, many of them do.)<<
Well, Lark, if you test drove the car at the dealership, bought the car, and decided 6 months it wasn’t the car the car for you, obviously you didn’t pay enough attention while you were test driving it.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 9:55 PM
But we differ on the deffinition of murder
I think a person is a person at birth
and you think it is some time befor that
We may never know till we can ask God face to face
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:01 PM
Sirius.. "Well, Lark, if you test drove the car at the dealership, bought the car, and decided 6 months it wasn’t the car the car for you, obviously you didn’t pay enough attention while you were test driving it."
Exactly!!.. If a two people dated/courted for 6 months and bought the marriage... than they decided it wasn't for them... than obviously they didn't pay enough attention while testing it out/dating.
Although I don't take marriage to be that fickle.. and I don't think you do either.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:10 PM
Jeff you are one misguided puppy. Our daughter was a premie, taken c-section and weighed 3 lbs. By you definition she was not a person, just a chunk of tissue. She's 25 now and doing well, maybe you want to tell her she wasn't a person when the doctor surgically removed her from the womb? I don't want to pop your bubble but a lot of folks involved in abortion may find themselves a bit seperated from God in the afterlife.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:15 PM
Jeff.. and that would bring us back to the thought of.. when can a baby survive outside of the womb... amazing how it circles back.....
Have you seen the sonograms? Did you know that human fetus's (babies) can feel pain at about 8 weeks?
Anyway.. you said you don't want to debate that.. I guess I just don't get that people would want to kill their baby AFTER seeing/hearing/reading all of the information there is about the babies while they are still in the womb. I always think that perhaps it is because the person has a lack of knowledge concerning what is going on in the mother's womb.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:17 PM
I could have easly not been born.
My mom was 15 when I was born.
I was given up for adoption befor I born.
Im not an abortion pusher by any means.
Just from what I have all been though in my life
I have learnt to be tolerant and open to other people.
And may not know there whole story and there needs.
So I chose to give a little slack to all.
And the last thing I do is judge them.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:24 PM
Lark
I may very well think much differntly about it if it
was my own wife or girlfrind pregnat with my child.
But that wont happen atleast not in this life time.
I just hate the idea of some one else making a hard
and fast rule and saying its the right thing for
a whole country.
Specialy when they hide behide the all holy curtain
of religion.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:29 PM
Jeff you take the wimp way out! "Oh I'll give them space to choose". What incredible Bull S---! I've worked murders, suicides and fatal wrecks. I hate the death of the innocent, so maybe you can explain to me how the murder of innocent babies is justified by your "freedom of choice" nonsense?
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September 16 2008, 10:37 PM
Brent
I hate murder or people being hurt just as much as you do.
I dont know how many tmes I need to say it
Abortion is not a free for all form of birth control
But im sure in some cases it is an approriat way to
deal with matters. And that should be decided by
Dr.s, judges, politions or maybe all 3.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:40 PM
Lark
in part yes
if you need to use bible verses or whats right and wrong
acording to God to make your point yes
but atleast your calling names like
some others on here tonight
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 16 2008, 10:46 PM
Jeff.. no lashing here ... have you seen me use Bible verses tonight in this debate? I have listed statistics and information based off of facts. Isn't that what so many people want .. is a "logical discussion" on issues?
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 17 2008, 5:25 PM
>>The highways are packed with impatient mud ducks dragging their big boats behind them to clog up our lakes and live in their week end cabins. Mud ducks are the most impatient, rude drivers, like they forget they are not in the big city anymore;<<
Well friggen learn how to drive then. When you guys come to the Twin Cities we always know who the cheese head drivers are. They drive fast, then slow, don’t know which way to turn. Don’t have a clue. You’d think they were still driving the 4020 with the sh** slinger hooked behind hauling out the morning cow manure.
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September 17 2008, 8:19 PM
>>Well friggen learn how to drive then. When you guys come to the Twin Cities we always know who the cheese head drivers are. They drive fast, then slow, don’t know which way to turn. Don’t have a clue. You’d think they were still driving the 4020 with the sh** slinger hooked behind hauling out the morning cow manure.<<
Ha ha! Of COURSE we drive fast and then slow! On both sides of us are robots locked into a speed that's 30 miles over the limit; shoulders hunched forward and with a glazed look in their eyes...we never know when we are going to trigger their robotic middle finger or get a fender scraped as they speed on to who cares where..
Give me the 4020 and crap wagon anyday! I grew up with all that and I'm not ashamed of my roots...dairymen and farmers are some of the most basic, earthy people you'll meet and I'm proud to be redneck!
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September 17 2008, 8:41 PM
Oh the memories! I used to run the crapslinger at home on the farm. The one we had had a side discharge on the left side about 4 feet off the ground. And could it ever spray! I often wondered what it would be like to turn that thing on while some poor unsuspecting soul drove by me with his window down...lol Never did it...just thought about it.
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Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 17 2008, 8:47 PM
Okay - so - um - any other American Christian moderates around?
Interesting thread.
I agree on the idea that being against abortion and for the death penalty doesn't work for me. I agree that adults make choices and are not innocent - but really I'm WAY against having my tax dollars spent on 29 appeals to the death penalty. Life without parole - fewer appeals - be done with it.
So I'm definitely anti-abortion (more so now than I was even two years ago. Been a process of moving from 'choice' to anti)
I'm also anti-death penalty
I'm against bigger government
But I'm okay with paying more taxes IF that money goes to socially responsible programs - however I'd like to see that done at state levels rather than federal (yes - I'm rather federalist as well).
I've voted Dem - I've voted Repub - I've voted Independent.
I would vote for an actual Muslim (and no - I don't buy it that Obama is - that's not my issue with him) - or an LDS - or even an H (ha! ) - if they were the right man/woman for the job - no matter their color or grandparents country of origin (or parents).
I tend to see Republican values at the federal level - and vote more Democrat and social moderate to liberal at the state/local level.
Yes - I tend to the 'red' side of moderate - a redder shade of purple. But some of ya'll sound like absolute wing nuts!
And that's where THIS Christian American Moderate stands.
Guess it's no surprise I live in one of the swing states. I will be doing all I can to swing it to McCain/Palin this time around!
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 17 2008, 10:02 PM
lol - you may change your mind here, GM. I just came back because I realized I left out another important point that keeps my purple not so red. So hold your vote on my vote...
Gay marriage. I believe that marriage should be between man and woman. I don't believe the government should EVER have gotten involved in the business of marriage - that it is an attempt to steal from the sanctity of a covenant with God. I can't have a marriage with a man, myself, God and my government. Ain't gonna happen.
BUT! I believe that if government has given rights like insurance coverage, etc. to spouses through a marriage certificate - that a company should be paying for their employee plus one other person for those benefits. I think that person should live in the same home - and that should be documented. But beyond that - I don't care if it's a man and his elderly mom - a woman and a child - a man and a man - a woman and a woman - or a man and a woman shacking up together. And yes - I shacked up with my first husband before we married - should never have done EITHER - but we lived as common law and enjoyed the benefits that come with that financially. I'm not about to deny the same benefits to others.
My stance on the marriage issue is one based on my faith - I fully admit that! But I also point out that in no country that I am aware of was marriage made a government institution BEFORE it was a religious institution performed by priests, monks, mullahs, pastors, or the tribe's witch doctor. So it is merely my protestation that government should have entered into identifying 'people deserving benefits' in a manner that has nothing to do with a religious covenant. If I was an 'old maid' - and my father was living in my home - I should be able to claim him and get the same benefits at my company.
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 17 2008, 10:26 PM
>>I grew up with all that and I'm not ashamed of my roots...dairymen, Holdemans and farmers are some of the most basic, earthy people you'll meet and I'm proud to be redneck!<<
Cupcake, you forgot a word.
This message has been edited by Sirius65 on Sep 17, 2008 10:28 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 18 2008, 7:34 AM
"Well friggen learn how to drive then. When you guys come to the Twin Cities we always know who the cheese head drivers are. They drive fast, then slow, don’t know which way to turn. Don’t have a clue. You’d think they were still driving the 4020 with the sh** slinger hooked behind hauling out the morning cow manure"
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 18 2008, 9:01 AM
Well Sophia, I still don't see much purple, I think it still is a bright red!. Although I see your point about the government getting involved in having to have a marriage certificate, I believe it was instituted for one reason, to promote the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman according to God's plan. Man left to his own devices with his corrupt and lawless nature would greatly distort God's order for a man, woman and child as a family unit. I for one feel sorry for children that are adopted by a gay couple and raised in that invironment. How distorted his thinking must be as he grows up, trying to make sense of it all. All his freinds would have a mommy and he wouldn't.
Back to the marriage certificate issue, I too bristle at the thought that I have to get a governmental consent to get married, but I still believe it has a lot of advantages as it relates to society in general.
About employee benefits for the other half of the marriage, many employers make a half-hearted attempt to compensate a person after he is married but it is a usual pittance compared to what it should be. That's why marriages struggle financially until adjustments can be made to improve one's financial status. Therefore I agree with you on the benefits thing, such as a parent living in the home.
I still think you will vote for McCain/Palin!
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Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 18 2008, 9:44 AM
>Cupcake, you forgot a word.<
Hey, all that stuff is the base of who you are, too! We can all slam the H as much as we want, but along with everything that's screwed up in the system come some good values that have formed who we are today, whether you wanna think you are far above the manure spreader now or not...gotta be careful, there, get too lofty and you might get hit with some miscellaneous sprayed crap
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 18 2008, 6:26 PM
>>I grew up with all that and I'm not ashamed of my roots...dairymen, Holdemans and farmers are some of the most basic, earthy people you'll meet and I'm proud to be a beanie wearing redneck!<<
Oh, I’m sorry, cupcake, you forgot four words.
>>Hey, all that stuff is the base of who you are, too!<<
Yeah, maybe so. Do you remember what you said about my grandma Dorothy on the “humor” thread?
>>I always very much enjoyed her barking laugh and rough edges! She pretty much said it like it was.<<
Well, guess what? When I was just a teenager, she gave me a poster for my room and this is what it said. “Where you come from is not nearly as important as where you are going”.
Cupcake, she is a wise woman and I take her advice.
This message has been edited by Sirius65 on Sep 18, 2008 6:56 PM
Re: Does Barak Hussein Obama really speak for you?
September 18 2008, 8:04 PM
>>I grew up with all that and I'm not ashamed of my roots...dairymen, Holdemans and farmers are some of the most basic, earthy people you'll meet and I'm proud to be a beanie wearing redneck who's afraid to enter a Holdeman church without wearing the doke.<<
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