The Bible says "Other sheep have I that are not of this fold."
I'm not sure where this verse is found, I've just heard it quoted many times.

I think that is talking about the people that have never heard of Jesus and the salvation story. Surely if they don't have the knowledge that God will not hold them accountable.

In the minds of the H that is referring to the Christians outside of the CGICM. In some ways that is how they justify the OTVC doctrine.

What do you think? Is "fold" referring to a group (the H, catholic, etc.) or is it referring to All Christians?

What do you think that "other sheep" it referring to?

"The Fold" referred strictly to the Jewish people, and the "other sheep" referred to the Gentiles. Any attempt to use this scripture to validate an OTVC teaching is only showing ignorance of the scriptures and a power driven agenda to control other people and create exclusivity of a denomination. Jesus only meant one thing by this, and it cannot be twisted now, as one H preacher told me, to mean the "Church" versus the "World", just because they want it to. I said, but this refers to the Jews versus the Gentiles, and he said, well we use it this other way. SHEEEESH.

Joh 10:16 And I have other sheep who are not of this fold. I must also lead those, and they shall hear My voice, and there shall be one flock, one Shepherd.

At one time I thought it meant that there may be other Galaxies out there with life on it. But as I study it more I think he was talking to the people of Judah who were known as God's people and he was referring to the Gentiles. So we are the other sheep I do believe, Correct me if I am wrong.

Herman

Jesus was able to reach across barriers and span the gap that the people were holding onto in the Bible times. (the belief that one was better than the other) I believe He was illustrating that He was reaching out to everyone...
let me know if i am wrong!

I can definitely agree with the idea that he was talking about the Jews and Gentiles. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

I suppose if you view the Bible as just a 'visionary guidebook' it could mean anything.

But in actual fact it is just as VS pointed out. The 'other sheep' were the Gentiles who, with the resurrection of Christ would be grafted in to the 'vine' (another word for the Jewish people)

But today sadly, so many churches have it completely bass-ackwards.

Peter and Cammie have a good thought there about the gentiles being grafted in.

To be sure Jesus was not speaking exclusively of a certain small segment of the Anna-Baptists.

There are scholars who believe as follows: Juda and Ben were the only portion of the house of Israel living in the homeland when Jesus came on the scene. A remnant of these believed on Him.

The ten lost tribes as they are referred to, fled north under Soloman's over taxation into what is now called Europe. These scholars believe that Jesus was speaking of these sheep or brethren when he said what he did about the fold and his other sheep. Later Paul evangelized Europe at least in degree.

Doug, that is the gentiles Jesus was talking about per most scholars of the word. To me this does away with the displacement theory. calledoutPTL

I do understand that if Jesus was speaking [only] of the gentiles on this issue that that would do away with the displaced tribes as being those of his fold.

On the other hand these tribes melted into Europe and are now seen as gentiles, many of which have become christian believers historically. It's interesting.

One thing is sure, no particular gentile denomination can claim this as being their validation.

Doug, your statement: about the 10 tribes melting into Europe. Do you have a verse that says they weren't Jews anymore in the OT? In the NT that would be what God wanted them to do., accept Jesus. That doesn't discredit them as Jews. It wouldn't have matttered to God if the Jews called them gentiles. I just don't buy into the replacement theroy. That theroy leaves more questions for me then I get answers for. Right now I don't have the time to discuss it more thoroughly, but later I will post something on that. calledoutPTL