.Don't worry,,, your kind is not welcome in our church, not even on the back row. You can take your abortion, gay squirrly, skinny butt somewhere else. Sorry bubba, thats life
Is this typical of churches in the U.S.? If it is, how do you reach the world? Do you have to proclaim your allegience to a church before you can enter its doors?
See, up here, churches actually welcome their neighbors in hope to introduce them to Christ. How is it done down there?
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I think you have been dealing with the exception here Peter, I hope so.
The same gentleman demeaningly calls me Lord Douglas, is he from England? I am only Squire Douglas if it were to be known.
Look, keep on keeping on Peter. There are always those to the extreme who are dogmatic and angry in American churches, who are not even sure why they have the positions they hold to. If they were sure I would think that they would explain it and not only cry "there's an arsonist and a murderer in the theater".
Maybe we all have a Messianic complex in one degree or another. It's quite another thing to be angry at those we cannot convince.
Squire, -doug
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Now, now, you know darn well that Nas likes to put some 'bite' in his posts to get your goat. But I agree with him in what he appears to be really saying (and some other folks are thinking out here in the vast 'wasteland' of middle America). A lot of folks, "Christian" or not, are tired of the idea that we have to accomodate perverted, decadent, anti-cultutal ideas-beliefs-policies. We are no longer interested in being fed the B.S. that we need to accept everyone no matter their personal perversions. That illegal immigrants have the same right as citizens, that all paths (whatever that means) lead to the same God, that us and the heathen Muslim worship the same God as Christians do, that we need to accomodate all these non-english speakers who refuse to learn the language of this country. And, since we the common folks run lots of our churches (as opposed to some guy in a funny hat in England and Rome) we can preach the Truth and keep the cultural rot out. Nas, if I'm offbase or stepped on your toes, I'm sorry.
I'm not sure about other churches. Our church does not preach for or against issues that are so divisional.
I don't think our denomination would ever say from the pulpit that we don't allow gays to attend church. But then again if they were "openly gay" they would probably ask them to leave or at least curtail it while in church.
I asked them at our new denomination point blank over the phone to the senior pastor,,"do you allow gay people to preach from the pulpit"? He said that they do not allow it. However someone who is gay could get into that position without anyone knowing it,, but if he was to say he was gay while in the position or if they found out he was gay he would be removed.
It's not because they hate gays it's because it's not a good idea to take instruction about repenting of sin from the pulpit from someone who is in open sin.
We do not judge the condition or state of that persons soul, but they are not allowed to have a position in the leadership at our denomination.
How do we reach out to gay people? first they have to admit that what they are doing is wrong. Then they can be reached.
As far as abortion issues, our church is actively involved with a place called Care pregnancy outreach, were women can get counseling and help both spiritually and monitarily.
**side note* The reason we left the Methodist church is because they were allowing or at least some of them were allowing gay clergy. I think that is wrong.
If we do not want to live with the things we see, what do we do? Do we lower the standard for the death sentence to fit all those elements?
I think we need to get practical about things or we will not win.
Men and Women; either get involved in politics in very positive ways or get involved in the preaching of the Gospel in powerful and yet non-judgmental ways, or both!
I would like to see some of you run for office at some level. I would like to see others of you fill podiums at the Gospel level!
Lets stop whining!
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Paris:
No offence taken.
You can come to my church to. No dress code required.
Its only me and the puppy on the river bank,
I have a nice quite spot were I meditate.
What you have in most churches is the "Doug Preacha". This is nothing more than what is called "The Watered Down" preacher. He doesn't come out hard core on what the Bible says, he waters Christ down, so much, that
he simply works around the Bible verse so as to make you feel good about your sin. HOGWASH. The Bible doesn't water down homosexuality, it's sin. No watered down version of it. Doug does this to play the numbers game, the popularity game.Its appealing. See, he's not coming against homosexuality, no, he and Peter's agenda here is to deface me because I've chew them out for excepting homosexuality as a Christ like image, and not sin. HOGWASH.
Our preacher is NOT afraid to stand at the pulpit and DENOUNCE it, homosexuality OR abortion. I really don't give a hoot how anybody else's church does it. If you don't believe that way,,,,, its simple, DON'T come, go to Dougs waterhole church.
Nas,I have no desire to deface you. You can play that game by yourself. I just wish to expose the hatred that is evident in you and apparantly in your so-called "christian" church.
I just wish to expose the hatred that is evident in you and apparantly in your so-called "christian" church."
It is simply called preaching as it is. It's just that simple. You can call it hate ,you can call it anything you and Doug desire. And this is why,,,, they get mail just like you have written here, acusing them of hate. Our Pastor preaches the Bible as is, no watered down version. Far too many churces are the "Doug Preacher" today, scared of telling it straight from the Bible, its a numbers game, not a Gospel game.
Peter, people like you are a dime a dozen,,,, always looking for SOME reason,why "We aren't going to that church, why you know they don't believe in homosexuality, blah,blah, they don't believe like we want". So,,, they wind up going nowhere. Like you and Doug,they THINK they know the Bible forwards and backwards,,,
I will not disclose ANY of our beliefs here because you and Doug are simply on a witch hunt here, wanting to do nothing more than trash Nas.
I'm off the site for serveral months, have a good life, been on here far to long.
Oh forgot, we do allow blacks in our church, its just that we paint them white before seating them.
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Nas, you don't have to split and run. I'm just asking questions. Try giving an answer without just attacking the questioner. And no, I don't profess to know the Bible inside and out.
I'll leave you alone now, sorry for upsetting you. Have a nice weekend.
,,being a Christian has nothing to do with civil rights,,and that is what some people like to mix it with.
I needed to clarify that a little,,not that anybody reads this sh..it but,,
What I meant to say is something like civil rights are found in Christianity but civil rights in some cases take the boundaries outside of the teachings of the Bible.
Civil rights are founded on the constitution and can be changed and the lines be redrawn. The Bible is not a living document that can have it's words changed.
It amazes me Nas, how much misinformation about my type of preachers you have accumulated.
To read the Book and to then use what I read to slam-dunk those who know not Christ Jesus, is simply ludicrous. With wisdom we are admonished to love one another! There's a larger issue than sin, it's Christ Jesus so we choose to preach the larger issue which covers the lesser issues!
If we constantly have their minds on the sins of others rather than on Christ Jesus. Very likely we have a serious sin-problem, for what we constantly are viewing is the image we come into!
Slam-dunking others about anything is simply sin right along with the more colorful ones. The Spirit of Jesus entreats us! He wins us to Himself! We turn to Him with our hearts, [that's repentance]! The mouth begins to speak a different thing; with our mouth confession is spontaneousely made unto our salvation/restoration!
We fall in Love with Him! Therefore we serve Him, He having washed us clean by His blood! "It's the goodness of God that draws us to repentance". The severity of God cannot do this! In all of our gatherings and groups and individually, we must learn this in order to have an effect.
My suggestion is that we get involved at street level in some way. Possibly counseling even if it means that we prepare by schooling, possibly preparing for podium preaching if that's the call, possibly running for some political office if that's the appitude or call. We do well to run the race and not only run the jaws and many of you are.
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Christ taught in the parables that the church (the kingdom of God) is like a net that catches the good and the bad, or like a field that grows weeds and wheat. We aught to take heed and not push any away. All of us have the same need; that is the grace of Jesus Christ, regardless of ones sin.
I do not view our weekend gatherings as all who already trust in Jesus Christ or as the spotless, blameless church. The real true pure church can only be seen with eyes of faith; faith in the righteousness/sacrifice of Jesus Christ who cleanses one who believes.
Just try letting it be known that your a democrat in your church. That should show you if others consider that you are a part of "your" church, or if it is just "theirs".
But, now I've been doing some study on this verse, just show me how that fits into this. Is your church the Kingdom of God or just a "church"? For does it require more...?
Micah 6:8 (New King James Version)
He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the LORD require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God?
Vine, not sure if you addressed me, but here is how I see it.
Our church (building) is a place where our church (assembly) gathers to teach, preach, worship, baptize & commune, and we do not point believers or others to ourselves (assembly) ; but we point them to the "assembly of saved peoples", the "church of God", which is recorded in heaven; Heb. 12:22-24.
Politics... I have never taken a poll (and have no intention of doing so) but I believe by the cross section of folks that gather at our church (assembly) there are plenty of Democrats. And our preaching/teaching does not mince any words of scripture, but teaches the Bible for what it says.
(at the state level our district returns about evenly, Democrats and Republicans to Olympia.)
Doug, I think Nascar mostly shoots from the hip for kicks and giggles. The way I recall it a couple years ago he said that a lot of the stuff he said was not to be taken seriously...something down that line...maybe someone knows where the post is. I hope you are taking his "reproofs and admonishments" with a bucket of salt
No Hank, that was not addressed to just you. Unless I put a name on a post as such I'm posting in general to any readers.
However, it's hard for my posts not to look like I disagree with you... For your middle-of-the-road style makes it hard not appear that I am taking the other side.
I do wonder how it was that the church and you parted ways. Could not have been easy to find a grievance against you.
I guess my point was that if one lives by that verse one sees the waste in how others try to make others clean. They should be able to see that holding up their things makes it unlikely for someone to return.
I do have to say this- I am surprised by all of the political views here- since the Holdeman's didn't vote because that would be becoming part of the world.
I do have to say this- I am surprised by all of the political views here- since the Holdeman's didn't vote because that would be becoming part of the world.
Vine, I've been a bit surprised by that myself. But then, I suppose there is a correlation between people that actually have a personal opinion/conviction about matters, and those that have found themselves out the H door, so to speak.
I have heard H people argue with the best of them about the virtues and biblical support of capital punishment, however, so there's probably a correlation there too, since capital punishment is so much a part of their modus operandi.
Yes R.M I do have a bucket of salt and a whole lot of love for everyone! Those who know me know this. I do not know Nas and I don't have any idea who he is.
Vine; not everyone here are Holdiman Mennonites and I'm sure you know this but I suppose that many bonafide Holdimans themselves have poltical views and have some good ones. I think that is fine even though they do not vote politically.
Hank; "religion ought to stay out of politics" Okay! That's good. But in your mind is it okay for the love, the wisdom, the graciousness of Christ Jesus along with strong convictions to be in political figures? For example; justice at each and every level can be a strong conviction.
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