I hear through the Holdyvine that forces are moving toward mandating the Christian Webfilter (created and controlled by a here unnamed H minister) for all members who use internet. It is already happening in certain places and is quite likely to eventually overspread the entire Conference.This would give effective and total control over all sites accessed by members. I'm sure coG forum won't be a finalist for the approved list. LOL

What's next? Having to take the Holdepreacher along when you go to the bookstore, so they can control what books you buy? Assuming the opening post is accurate, it would seem that Holdeland is taking another step towards totalitarianism. Why don't the Holdepreachers just go buy a large tract of land, say in South America, maybe in Guyana, for example. They could build a large wall/fence around the land, lock all the inmates, errr, I mean, members in for their safekeeping and protection from THE WORLD. The preachers would then be able to control the members lives to whatever extent they decide. Heck, they might even mix up a big batch of Kool-aid for everyone to drink.

What I fail to understand is how otherwise intelligent and astute people allow themselves to be manipulated by a group of self-important individuals masquerading as ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I predicted this about a year ago. I think the H ministry is crazy to let there members have access to anti-H sites like this one. In my mind it was just a matter of time before they deal with it.

The R has done that same thing. They now have a dial up to a server in US that has a white list of websites you can visit. The local R pastor has threaded over the pulip to unsave members here locally if they go on the web with out permission.

Personally I think H members will just keep on going on the this forum and the Internet anyway. With the R they were never allowed their members to go on the web to start with so they are only giving them access to a white list of sites.

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A mandated H Webfilter? What about the cell phones. Will they mandate H filters for those too? Why not just encourage their weaker members to get a filter if they feel they need it and let it go at that? I'm with you Steve on the totalitarianism thing.

It cracks me up that a Holdeman minister is so computer savvy that he is able to create a filtered internet service and then force the people to use what he deems to be appropriate. What hypocrisy! Will the people bend over for this? How can he prove that they are using it?

I think it is sad when people excert control over others and then do the very things that they do not allow others to do. I was just reading today in a book that people that are abusive to others often become ultra religious. I can see this play out in many areas.
There are many things that I see as good cautions, but from what I have seen when rules are set in stone, those are the very things that people will find a way to do and if all is forbidden then there will be someway to sneak around and do it.
I remember a certain deacon, as a boy tipping the whiskey bottle that was in the fridge for medicinal purposes only. He was about 12 at the time.
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I will never forget the minister that had a large family and was leaving the children home alone for the evening. On the way out he mentioned that they should not put any beans in their (can't remember if it was noses or ears). they came home to just that situation. Oh the power of suggestion.

I have a son right now on repentance for drinking. He told me," Mom if I am going to live a different life, I have to get a different job. Cause all the H concrete crews I have worked for live like this."

He has worked in several cong.

We think that if they see the affect it has had on their relatives marriages, health and lives, they will not be tempted. but the power of peer pressure or of being alone is greater than we can ever know.


But no one should ever underestimate the power of prayer, nor the fact that sometimes we must go thru struggles in our lifes to help us be more kind and loving to others and less judgemental of others failures and sins. Those folks that you see that love with all they have, are the people that have the unseen struggles that you don't know about and love you unconditionally because they truly know just what love is.

Love and prayers, Locklady

In regards as to whether the info is accurate..........I don't mean to give the impression this is going to happen tomorrow. However, the momentum is building. I know it is being discussed. I know of places where already, to get internet, you must use the Christian Webfilter. A meeting is going to be held shortly with the Technology Committee and a select group of ministers from across the Conference. Anyone who thinks it won't come up raise your hand.

Don't worry HB there are not very many folks reading here that would be niave enough to think this will never happen. Most of us have been around the H block a time or 2 or seen it happen to those we love.

"It cracks me up that a Holdeman minister is so computer savvy that he is able to create a filtered internet service and then force the people to use what he deems to be appropriate."

What about the business opportunity? Let's say one would have to subscribe at $10 per month and only 1000 members subscribed, that would equal what? $10,000 per month for a low overhead business. I'm sure for our own good it will be provided for free out of love for the brethren who do require internet.

Their love for "the truth" should make them proud when they read about that!

It is simply not a practical solution, unless you use dialup,
any high speed filtration would by it's very nature be easy to defeat by the administrator of the computer, if they went to dialup, well that is like driving a model t

Mutterlode posts:

<<It cracks me up that a Holdeman minister is so computer savvy that he is able to create a filtered internet service and then force the people to use what he deems to be appropriate. What hypocrisy! Will the people bend over for this? How can he prove that they are using it?>>

I don't know your background with the Holdemans, but items such as this can be made "conditions of communion." Whether or not it was only a local phenomena, in the local congregation of which I used to be a member, topics such as this were made "communion issues." Basically the mandate was given at revivals that compliance to this or that issue became a condition of being able to be worthy to partake in communion. Given the scriptural teachings on partaking of communion unworthily combined with the the implications of questioning the ministry were sufficient to garner compliance.

Well, all they have to do is get rid of their regular internet for a week or two and show that they are on the Holdy dial up and then when communion is over go back to the regular deal. Surely you played that game,psytrancer?

BoldyHoldy, I agree with you that among some there is a certain enthusiasm for such a "SAFE" way to have internet, but I think you find that is generally from those who either have little or no net experience.
I have heard personally from the Tech Committee on this issue, and the word was that it would never happen. I also heard that the minister who made this filter is not interested in it becoming THE filter either. He knows and ackowledges that it is only for those who have very limited internet needs. Many will have needs that excede what that service provides.

So I guess unless I have been misinformed or there is something new that I havent heard about, I will raise my hand to say I don't think it'll soon happen in a conference-wide way.






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>>He knows and ackowledges that it is only for those who have very limited internet needs.<<

And who, pray tell, might be the person or persons who get to decide which members will be restricted to the Holdefilter? Surely not the ministers, now would it?

That scenario, however, is in keeping with the current situation where some people are allowed the Internet by their 'staff' and some are not. Of course, if your daddy or other close relatives happens to be part of the staff, there's likely going to be a much greater chance that a) you will be permitted to have the Internet and b) your Internet 'needs' will not be 'limited' and you'll still be able to surf unimpeded by THE Holdefilter while other, less connected (pun intended), members will be restricted by the whims of the Holdewebguru and THE Holdefilter.

In our congregation there is a 3 man internet committee that will help anyone that wants to have the internet get set up with agood filter.None of these men are staff members or staff members children.I think HoldyBoldy is misinformed.The ministry acknowledges that the internet is here to stay in the H church.There are several filters that are recommended which includes the Christain Web Filter.I persanally use CleanInternet.net and use the internet 5 to 6 hours a day and never even know I have a filter.The ministry also realizes that anyone who would access the the base elements of the internet would not be asking permission anyways.

I really don't see making it mandatory either...it will be like all the other things like this that get turned into rules..the already legalistic,form loving people will run for the rule with teeth bared and ears pinned back and the ones that are trying to follow the spirit will be a bit more confused and the main people the mnistry is trying to target,which would be the fence riders,won't change anything,anyway,unless it's just long enough to slide through meetings.

This place cracks me up. I love the humor of you guys!