I don't want no tattoo.


The other day I was speaking to the kids, and they were talking about "myspace". Now whether you like or don't like 'myspace" is not the point, but they have a friend they have made that rides motorbikes with them on occasion. This boy is their age and not particularly weird.

Any way they stumbled over to his myspace to show it to me, since I asked what happed to him. (he had been out of town a while and I hadn't heard from him in a while.) Anyway, he had a picture of himself with his shirt off. He has a great build and should have nothing to be ashamed of by showing it off, but all over his shoulders and chest is a huge tattoo. It was embarrassing to even look at his picture, and my son immediately said "I didn't know he had that tattoo".

My point isn't that he has a tattoo, but that he embellished the natural beauty of his body, and by doing it made himself less naturally beautiful though I am sure in his own mind it is more beautiful than his own natural beauty.

Here is a stock Internet photo I found to illustrate, that gives the general idea, but it is not my son's friend's picture but gives the general idea of my point.




Nature is good enough for that kid!


Ps 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully

Now don't misunderstand me, I have done some dumb stuff in my past, and will without doubt do more in the future. In fact when looking on that I was reminded of a good friend that wanted to be a hippie, so he tattooed "love" on his knuckles of one hand and 'peace" on the other!

As time went on and the dope wore off, he literally skinned his knuckles to remove those words.


So my thinking is we all do dumb stuff but some of us don't get caught!, so I tend to be pretty merciful in judgment of embellishment of the body, even though I would have a ball-eyed fit to find out my kids did it to themselves.

At any rate, I am talking about a deeper problem than physical tattoos! I am talking about spiritual ones!


Generally speaking a tattoo is an image, and not the actual thing, and it will mar the body from it's natural God given glory, or beauty. Generally speaking it becomes an embarrassment when the bewitchment that induced it's production recedes, and balance is restored to ones thinking, but is not as easily removed as it was to put there in the first place.

Now, I was thinking of the thread about our dear sister Cupcake and how she is about to be brought forth to judgment by the holdies so they can "discipline" her with their unnatural, and unbiblical judgment .

They can't just come and say to her, "the bible says to stay off the coG, and to quit talking to people that know what we do to people if they don't smooch our rear ends when we tell them to". Because that truth is to shocking to the remainder of the people, they will reject it.

Just like the picture of that young man, covered with hidden tattoos, were he to traipse around without them with his shirt off, the truth of the bible is in itself so wonderful, and so glorious, the beauty is so intact, that one need not cover it up with an image.

But instead of using the natural beauty of the bible method of bible discipline, that arises out of a legitimate complaint by a harmed party, with the burden of proof on the accuser, and the defendant not needing to testify against himself to be condemned, the natural justice built into God's kingdom, the natural liberty, the natural love that simply flows from people that care about and care for each other without motive except to love one another in holiness. The H takes that natural beauty and tattoos it with images of dreamed up dragons, and eagles, grossly exaggerated to make them more "pretty" and easy on the eyes in their own perverted opinions that are warped by the bewitchment of conference lies built in majority rule seances.

Folks, when you let them preachers pretend to have a right to take you in the back room and spiritually pale you without a written complaint by an accuser, without a witness to verify all proceedings, without an advocate in your defense, you are allowing them to do the same thing as my son's friend does in marring up his glorious body.

Why do you need to embellish the body of Christ to make it prettier than God intended it?

I think we were better off when only South Pacific cannibals wore tattoos.

Why are old people so closed to any thing different from the norm?
I have wanted a tattoo all my life and plan to get one some day?
Does that make me evil and bad?
As far back as I can remember I wanted earring and I have never
Regretted getting my ears pierced.
What is wrong with making yourself look the way you like?
We all dress in our own way, a few tattoos or piercing just add
To our own personality.

Jeff, you are such a gay twit.

Thanks I am proud to be called gay,
But a twit not so much I guess.

(twit slang for insignificant, foolish or annoying person)

Fred gave his opinion and I gave mine,
Thank God were not alike this world would be very boring.

Jeff you misunderstand me if you think I am rebuking, for body marks are up to the individual, and perhaps lesser so to his his authority, but not to the community at large to judge.

If you want a mark, go for it!

twit 1. The act or an instance of twitting.
2. A reproach, gibe, or taunt.
3. Slang A foolishly annoying person.

I agree you are not a twit, I enjoy your remarks.

Every day I deal with people who feel the need to express their individuality, mostly by getting in the face of others. From what I've seen, over the past 25 years is that these half-wits embrace piercing and tattoos as marks of their individuality. Tattoos that look cool when you are in your 20's end up looking like saggy, faded crap when you get older. Thats probably the best part about tattoos, in the end, like all beauty attempts, it fades to nothing.

So why is any one that does not agree with you a half-wit?
How do you know your a whole-wit?
And maybe if you think these so called half-wits are always
Getting in your face its not your face thats in the way?

Jeff, you are a half-wit, go back and read what I wrote again. I've been in law enforcement for years, that's what i base my views on. If someonne says most anything conservative (lifestyle wise) you come out with your liberal gay nonsense. If someone says sex with animals is wrong, you will say some BS about people making personal choices. It's people like you (gay and straight) who have managed to run western civilization into the toilet. Too many folks are scared to stand up to your BS for fear of being called intolerant. Well I'm not scared to speak my mind and could give a damn about what the liberals, fairys, media or government think. Liberal gay thinking has brought us gay marriage, the loss of shame in our society, the loss of the ability to teach right and wrong in our schools and generally screwed up the society that once made us so strong. You (speaking of gays and other sexually immoral) spread aids thru your behavior and threatened the general population until people started taking precautions. You lifestyle "choice" is immoral and disgusting. I also find your posts predictable and good for a chuckle.

Right on BrentR!!! Preach it like it is brudda! I too am fed up with all the politically correct bullcrap being forced down our throats day after day, year after year.

By the way Jeff, I'm not joining Farva in his accusation against you, but the accusation was put out there and needs addressing. As open as you are with your sexual preferences I don't see you getting offended at me asking about the accusation. I also think quite a few people are wondering but no one wants to press it.

Me offended??
Oh, god no I have much more important things to focus on
I just find it interesting every time I leave a comment it
Turns into something gay, even when I do not mention gay.

Jeff, you are the one that is proud of being gay and identify yourself as "queer". Why shouldn't someone treat your posts as having a gay tilt (or twist)? Maybe if you said something like "I have homosexual urges which I work hard at repressing so that I can lead a moral (as best I can) life", it wouldn't be the thing that identifies you.

Well Brent yes I do use queerinedm as a log in
However, as you will see I also use my real name Jeff.
And I believe I live a very moral life
So for me to say what you suggest would be a lie
And I do not feel it is right to lie
Even if it would make life easier or make you happy
I believe in being true to myself and how God made me

No one asks you to lie Jeff. To use your reasoning alcoholics should drink, gambling addicts should gamble, homicidal maniacs should kill and kleptos should steal. Instead almost all of those folks fight that internal (God given?) disfunction and try to live normal (straight?) lives. Think about it.

BrentR: You're a half-witted heterosexual twit. Just because Jeff said what he did has absolutely zero to do with being gay.

RealMan: You're just a wanna-be. About the only things that get you going are politics, political correctness, homosexuality and abortion and you only come on here to spout the latest drivel from Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. and to jump up and down when someone attacks someone else for being anything to the left of the reactionary, religious and political far right. Get a RealLife.

Brent
I do not see any relationship between any of those and homosexuality.
Normal? Is only a word it means nothing it is a relative term
To each person and what they consider normal.
My normal is not the same as yours but nether one is right or wrong.

Stevie, I find it funny how people get all up in arms when a spade gets called a spade. Would you be less offended if I called Jeff a four eyed, white boy liberal? The big problem with liberals (white, black, Christian, Jew, Gay or Straight) is their urge to run in waving the "Personal Choice" flag when anyone points out that their "lifestyle" choices are immoral and/or damaging to the survival of a country/culture.

All I'm doing is trying to do my part to stand up to all the liberal crap that is sliding towards us at an alarming rate. Our country is in a crisis situation because of irresponsible, knee-jerk, feel-good liberal policies. Why not complain about it on the way down...eh?

BTW...why doesn't Canada have a sex offender registry? You'd think your gov was protecting these guys judging by the info available to the public.

Gee Jeff, people are born with a wide assortment of traits ranging from murderous rages to homosexual. My point is that we, as moral beings, need to suppress our immoral sides (not being mistake or sin free like Qwerty would claim) and live the way God intends us to (which by the way, doesn't appear to include robbing banks or having gay relations).

RM, now be nice and let our neighbors to the north have the last word. We wouldn't want to damage their fragile "inclusive" self image.

Canadians remind me of kittens, they puff up, hiss and hop around and climb the curtains. Kinda cute to watch.

I will leave now I have work to do
And like a wise man once said
It is a futile endeavor, like mud-wrestling with a pig;
it is a waste of time because you cannot win and the pig enjoys it.

Have a Nice Day

Hey there Robocop:

It's rednecks like you who are in more danger of being four-eyed due to the fact that your momma is both yo' momma AND yo' sister, if you know what I am saying.

The point I was making is that tats, piercings, etc. have nothing to do with one's sexuality, nor are they immoral. (And no, I don't have either, nor do I plan to get any).

Also, Jeff's orientation is not a 'lifestyle' choice. I think his lifestyle is pretty similar to most people's. He goes to work, pays his bills and taxes, goes grocery shopping, mows the lawn, spends time with his friends, etc. Whatever it may be, it has absolutely zero effect on you out there in redneck Jesusland.

Stevie, you need to read slower, your lips are confusing you. Read my posts again, I did not connect gay and tattoos and piercings except as another sign of moral decay. The two doen't necessarily follow one another. I know it's cold up there but warm up your brain before you engage mouth please. And why do you come running to defend poor Jeff? He seems perfectly capable of going toe-to-toe with anyone, which is what make tweaking him actually fun! Let him swing his own purse, you'll get your own chance later. Gee, you liberal snow-heads are awfully sensitive!

P.S.
Stevie, you really need a sense of humor. Head on over to WalMart, they have a sale going just for you.

He goes to work, pays his bills and taxes, goes grocery shopping, mows the lawn, spends time with his friends,(YESSIREEE, ALL OF 9 DIFFERENT GAY CLUBS AND GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MANY GAYS ON HIS PUBLIC MYSPACE PAGE) etc.

Good Grief!!! Every single one of us has sin in our lives and we cover it up. Jeff has just been open and honest about his.
Jeff is gay. Do I agree with that? No! Is it right? No! Will he go to a hotter hell then his next door neighbor who is banging his best friend's wife? No! Sin is sin is sin.
There is a man in one of my classes who is extrememly attractive and over the ten weeks of class he and I have been "harmessly flirting" with each other. One day my mind was wandering and I realized that had I acted out what I was thinking about I would have been cheating on my husband and guilty of a full-blown affair. Am I more innocent than Jeff because my fantasy involved someone of the opposite sex? Or just because I only mentally acted it out, not physically?
Every single one of you will mentally discard what I just said and I have no worries about being dragged through the mud here as a "whore". And all of you on here cannot deny that you have had the same exact thing happen with you. Some of you probably acted on it as well.
Is it still sin? Yes it is. Just to us who do not have homosexual tendencies, it is not as repulsive of a sin.
So he's gay, us abusing him about it won't change that at all.

Let's make a deal, if someone rubs their sexuality in our face on a thread, then we can abuse them about it on that thread- not let it bleed out on to all threads until they all end up about our sexuality!

Robocop:

Sorry for not switching on the 'sarcasm alert' sign. I hope you know what sarcasm is - I know you boys down there have trouble with polysyllabic words. Statements such as 'Squeal like a pig', of course, are made up solely of monosyllabic words.

what does polyslabic mean?

Thanks for stickin up for me but im a big boy I can take
a bit of abuse im used to it


For Brent
here is a snap shot of my so called gay life style
had dinner with my sis and her husband last night
went to bed at 10 pm
got up at 5am went to Tim Hortons for coffee
was at the office at 6:30am
got 100 guys out of the shop and to the right job sites
had sevral meeting in the morning
and dealt with sevral complaint calls on my drivers
didnt even have time for a coffee break in the morning
went for lunch with our accountant
and a back to the grind stone after an hour break
oh did sneek upstaires for a short nap at 3pm
and left work at 6pm
stopped at the Keg for dinner
came hope did laundry and am going out
to clean the garage now

not such a gay life in my books
rather "normal" kinda boring dont you think

Hey duffass, you have been asked a few times now about the accusation against you that you are banned from being near schools etc.
You told RM you are't offended by him asking so let's hear it. Is it true what that guy said about you or is it not? Tell us the truth.

There is a man in one of my classes who is extrememly attractive and over the ten weeks of class he and I have been "harmessly flirting" with each other.

So in the long run, April, is flirting harmless?

Deb:
No, I don't really think flirting is ever harmless!

Jeff and Stevie, since you are Canadian I will try to explain a few things so you better understand. Down here (where we have indoor plumbing, electricity and english language road signs) gay and lesbian crap is always presented to the general public as just another "lifestyle choice", just like briefs or boxers, ketchup or mustard, butter or margarine, etc. They (gay groups, liberals and wimpy 'Christian' churches) push this crap in our schools and then scream that we are "intolerant" if we object to this immoral nonsense being pushed on our children. Hence my referral to the "gay lifestyle". Jeff is gay, he claims that status and his lifestyle looks typically boring Canadian (Jeff do you sit around at night and watch reruns of Will & Grace?). What I get tired of is that anytime a person says "gee that's inappropriate/immoral/ungodly" here comes Jeff (most of the time) reciting the liberal blather about personal choice, blah blah blah. Or worse yet, the sad old line of "the God I know wouldn't object/condemn/send to hell....etc", as if there are a billion versions of God and we each have a presonal one that only condemns what WE don't like. So, to simplify things for you guys, Jeff is a liberal gay (who I think is fun to argue with) and Stevie is a liberal who has a chip on his shoulder and can't handle those evil conservative Americans who are SO RUDE to liberals.

Woohoo! Tough cop talk... I love a man who gets in there and tells it like it is Good post.

>>Down here (where we have indoor plumbing< <br>
I don't care what you call it down there, but an outhouse does not count as 'indoor plumbing' in Canada.

>>electricity< <br>
Which, incidentally, often comes from Canada.

>>gay and lesbian crap is always presented to the general public as just another "lifestyle choice"< <br>
See, that's where the problem starts. It's not a lifestyle choice. It's sexual orientation, which is something else entirely. Whoever calls it a 'lifestyle choice' whether they're gay, lesbian or straight has got it wrong. If it were a simple choice, there'd be many people who would choose to live the 'straight lifestyle'.

Good post, Brent!

Here, Steven and Jeff, I have a serious question for you (I'm not baiting you ).

1. It appears that most of the victims of sexual abuse by Catholic Priests (and yes other denominations also) are male.
2. Then why are said priests labelled by the media as "sexual predators" instead of the more accurate term (I would think) of "predatory homosexual"? If a cop goes bad and starts stealing, raping or murdering we call the guy "thieving, raping, murdering cop". We don't say he is a "law breaking member of law enforcement". (Yes Steven, I've know a few of these types)

Just curious, it's been bugging me for some time.

<<1. It appears that most of the victims of sexual abuse by Catholic Priests (and yes other denominations also) are male. <br>
2. Then why are said priests labelled by the media as "sexual predators" instead of the more accurate term (I would think) of "predatory homosexual"? If a cop goes bad and starts stealing, raping or murdering we call the guy "thieving, raping, murdering cop". We don't say he is a "law breaking member of law enforcement". (Yes Steven, I've know a few of these types)>>



I suppose for the same reason that you don't see "predatory heterosexual" instead of the conventional "sexual predator" when the topic of concern is heterosexual males and their female victims of sexual abuse or vice versa.

Nope, not good enough there Psycho. I am asking about a very specific group (molesting clergy) with a very specific victim clientele (young males). So why not call them what they really are (predatory homosexual clergy)? I have a feeling that, once again, there is a fear of offending someone. Kinda like why the airport gestapo searches old ladies in wheelchairs while watching out for Muslim Terrorists. Anybody see any old ladies in wheelchairs in the photos of the 9-11 hijackers?

I'd have to say that Psytrancer's explanation makes a fair bit of sense.

Additionally, I think it has been quite well established that sexual assaults are less about sex than about power and control. So, just because someone sexually assaults a member of the same gender, does not automatically mean that they are necessarily homosexual. Yes, they may be, but even if they are, it is not necessarily primarily sexual gratification per se, but rather the power that they can exercise over the victim.

Part of the reason that many of the victims of clerical sexual abuse are male is because traditionally clerics would have had more opportunity to assault young males, since altar servers had to be male and because priests were generally considered to be trustworthy father figures to these boys. Add the issue of enforced celibacy into the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.

So, it's not just as simple and cut-and-dried that all priests who molest boys are homosexual. Some are. But not all are.

Thank you Steven, I like your explanation. I don't wholly believe that is the reason (I still suspect a strong bit of political correctness) but you did a good job of reasoning.

Hey Jeff
The coolest tattoos I've ever seen were on a lady's cheeks. One said "exit" and the other "only."