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Holdeman Survivors

January 14 2009 at 7:30 PM

Steven Thiessen  (Login StevenThiessen)
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As has been mentioned by Fred and others, MSN Groups is shutting down in February. Accordingly, I have migrated the original Holdeman 'forum' - Holdeman Survivors - to the new 'Multiply' format. As someone had already formed a new 'Holdeman Survivors' on Multiply, I chose a new name for it, although the title page still says 'Holdeman Survivors'. The new URL is:

which is probably an accurate description, given that there is limited activity on the site these days.

A couple of stats for those who are interested - when I migrated the site there were a total of 22,112 posts, plus photos and other information. The 'membership list' was 316.

Thanks to all who were part of the original Holdeman Survivors. Hopefully the millions of pixels that comprise the 'migrated' HS will be interesting and even useful to future readers.


This message has been edited by StevenThiessen on Jan 15, 2009 5:24 AM

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(Login DrSkeptic)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

January 14 2009, 8:57 PM 

Thanks for doing all that work, Steve. It would be interesting to browse that site again someday. There are some interesting pictures over there, if anyone is interested.

(Login erv123)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

January 14 2009, 9:08 PM 

Steve, thanks for the info. We had some interesting times over there, as well. calledoutPTL

(Login JWiggers)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

January 15 2009, 4:15 AM 

My thanks and appreciation to you too, Steve. HS was a real God-send to me in those emotional days when I was trying to sort things out. It's helpful to know there's a whole community out there that understands.

(Login Tirone)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

January 15 2009, 7:06 AM 

I, too would like to give my thanks. It was by chance that I found that site and if it wasn't for all the people on that site (many of whom are here) I would not be where I am today. One thing I am quite sure of is that I would have become discouraged but everyone there helped me through the hardest time of my life - even those who got frustrated with me from time to time happy.gif . I'm glad we're not losing the posts forever.

**And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.**


(Login bawar)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

January 15 2009, 8:19 AM 

Ditto with me, thank you Steven, for all that effort, and now for retaining the history of the hs forum, it is fun to just go back and read it sometimes.

You guys were there for me, and I thank you all!

(Login BentWanderer)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

November 12 2010, 2:19 AM 

I want to know how to delete myself from this forum as I am a married man of almost 30 years and I have been logged in with my girlfriends password as of 5 years never mind all my other girls I have screwed in my life besides my wife.....please tell me how to delete this....i might be going to jail and do not want to be associated with this anymore..i have been abusive and much more...thanks for helping me delete myself....

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Brent Wanderer

November 12 2010, 12:37 PM 

You are one of us all, whom Jesus had on His lips when he was crucified. Whether you get off the forum or not, God loves you and still has good plans for your life. Let Him do it. calledoutPTL


(Login AmosB1)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

November 13 2010, 9:08 AM 


Remember there very much can be more hope for harlots and non religious people, than stongly religious people who consider themselves very Holy but merely have their own religious agenda, and lack what God really wants. Related verses

Matt 21:31 Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

1John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Praying for you.


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Mirror of Truth

March 17 2016, 6:06 PM 

Hello All, I'm a longtime lurker, Anabaptist background, never been H but have brothers that were and one that still is. I've wondered myself about the accuracy of the English translation of the Mirror of Truth. An 1880 edition of Ein Spiegel der Wahrheit is viewable at I read nineteen century German reaonably well and if any one has specific passages that need scrutiny I could check them out. Have to confess though that I don't even have a copy in English. Imagine the folks at Moundridge could fix that for a small fee. I've enjoyed reading your posts over the years and thanks to all of you.


(Login Aaronsboy)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

March 18 2016, 3:57 AM 

Pythagoras, there are some paragraphs in Mirror of Truth I would be interested to see how you might translate them. Maybe best you do not see the current English translation so as to keep it as pure as possible.

If I can match certain German to English stuff, and give you the page location in the German, and you could find it in the Archives you referred to, this could be possible. Or else, I scan certain passages and send them to you.

My interest would be some comments Holdeman makes on excommunication and the 3 or 4 references to a future event he has written about. I don't know if he looked at these events (from his point of view) as "prophetic" inspiration ? or if he was just thinking possibilities. We know one "prophesy" he made, it did not come true and another which did occur, he chalked it up to the God of miracles and his inspiration.

If the 1940s H publications have been treated like they allowed in the 1980s, then a lot more stuff could be suspect ??? I do not mean to cast aspersions, but clearly reprints of "A Concise History of the Church of God" by John M Penner does not speak well for CGCM publication integrity.

I could not get to my German MOT for a couple of weeks but would like to pursue this.

(Login Naz20)

Re: Holdeman Survivors

March 18 2016, 7:40 AM 

BTW Steven, doubt you read here anymore, but thought I'd inform you. You never got me kicked off Survivors,

Kathy 360 gave me her sign on infro, so I was never "kicked" off,, sorry to ruin your day.


(Login Healthie)

Conference Decisions

July 26 2016, 3:25 PM 

I had a copy of the Conference decisions prior to 1896 but my computer overheated and I cannot seem to recover it. I believe it was on this forum at one time. Can anyone guide me to another one?

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