Listening to this guy, I suspect most people will have just told him he should just "submit" but what the antichrist's running the government, is doing, so the imps running the antichrist church teach submission, and your thinking is wrong.
If you "feel" what this fellow got for a reward was anyway justified, you are brainwashed and not aware of the natural rights of man, and the protections that he is supposed to enjoy by the government not molesting him in his person.
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When the holdeman shepherds decided to molest me and my family, we refused to go along with it, I had been so lied about in earlier episodes of the fornicating back room shenanigans, that I instructed my little ones to never go into the back room with those spiritual rapists and liars without a witness to testify about all the lies they tell.
Men and women of the Holdeman church, you are not subject to the ministry.
You are sinning a willful sin to submit to them, because Jesus said to "let them be your servants"
What do you suppose this pastor's goal was in having a recorded interview? That strikes me as an odd choice. If it was recorded as a deposition for his lawyers - that would be one thing - but an obviously public video to get published on youtube - I smell a duck.
If a jury of his peers decided that despite his testimony (which is all we have right now) that he broke the law or resisted arrest or some other reason that officers were operating within the law - what then?
Thankfully we have the right to a speedy trial - not all societies can claim that. We also have the right of civil suit if/when necessary - but again - lawyers would be handling that - not youtube.
Fred - confused by something. I thought you didn't recognize the US Government? How does one claim protection under a government's bill of rights if they don't recognize that same government? Can you clarify for me?
Fred - confused by something. I thought you didn't recognize the US Government? How does one claim protection under a government's bill of rights if they don't recognize that same government? Can you clarify for me?
Oh I recognize the US government alright,and if they ever beat the crap out of me like they did him, I'll never forget it either.
My point though is that our servants (public servants) are becoming sort of forgetful of who they work for, just like the H preachers did.
They are both two faucets of an unlovely gem
I think it is cool he put that testimony on utube
He named the guys that were beating him, and he named himself, it would be interesting to hear a rebuttal, but you never will. He would have to take them to court which he probably wouldn't.
A person has to be worthy of servants and can pay them {the laborers are worthy of their hire} before your verse applies to anything.
But spiritually speaking, have people paid Jesus yet? I mean not with the doctrines and commandments in the places you're trying to get them to be servants of the people, but with sound spiritual living.
by Fred - > He would have to take them to court which he probably wouldn't.<
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I would. I would go straight to the Arizona Supreme Court in Phoenix, file an injunction against those DPS and BP officers barring them from going back to work until they had been tried in court. To let them continue that kind of lawlessness is a travesty to our public safety and an injustice on an innocent person that cannot be tolerated.
I have always believed that to want a job as a police officer etc, it takes a special type of person, one that craves being in authority, to wield power, to subject people to their whims and wishes, to love the thrill and action of apprehension and give orders.
Fred - I was browsing some old threads awhile ago and that's where I saw you make a statement about not being a US citizen - but instead an Idaho citizen. Related to elections. How do you not be a citizen of a country and still expect its bill of rights to apply to you? I agree with you that natural rights apply - just not clear on how you can be a non-citizen and then claim rights that are for a country's citizens.
GM - I agree with you on your first statement - if this man truly was beaten without reason (i.e. resisting arrest - attempting to cause harm to an officer, etc) - then that's exactly what our civil courts are for. I'd much rather see serious issues like this dealt with than hot coffee spilled on laps! In fact I always am suspicious when somebody claims they were beaten by officers and DOESN'T pursue justice...
On your second opinion - I would have to say that my experience in working for law enforcement found that there are two types of officers. One is exactly what you noted and they are scary. Wanting to carry a gun and boss people around legally is scary. But the other type (and at least in Greeley - this was the majority) of officers that I worked with went into that career because they despised crime and they truly wanted to 'protect and serve'. If you have all of the one type of officer in your area - I'd say it's time to get a new police chief - or a new sheriff in town!
Sophia, I agree with your stipulation that there are those in whose motives are noble and they serve to protect the public and do it in a friendly manner as much as possible. But the problem is, many of them start out with good intentions, but after so long they become de-sensitized with all the crime, murder and senselessness out there and they become hardened to it all.
How do you not be a citizen of a country and still expect its bill of rights to apply to you? I agree with you that natural rights apply - just not clear on how you can be a non-citizen and then claim rights that are for a country's citizens.
Sophia, the the bill of rights is for the state citizens, not for the citizens of the United States. Citizens of the United States are franchised bondmen and are subject to the Congress of the United States according to the constitution. They have no rights unless congress "grants" them because congress is their 'maker' or creator.
Fred, I don't agree with your Constitutional view, but I am a Ron Paul backer (when not leaning into anarchism). The overreach of authority and abuse of power by the governments in the US is becoming alarming (and President Obama won't stop it, he'll use it to his own ends now) and will continue, truthfully, until the public raises up in revolt (hopefully at the ballot box). As someone who has been in law enforcement for over 20 years now I'll tell you straight, that 90% of folks in uniform after a few years begin to divide the population into us (authority) and them (everyone else). The us are considered the privileged few protectors of civilization, the them are divided into the compliant (the sheep) and the non-compliant (pukes, scumbags, perps). You can figure the rest from there.
Fred - ya lost me. Franchised bondmen? State's rights? Can you put it to me the way you would to an 8 year old grandson or something? I'm pretty sure we'll disagree on this cuz it sounds a bit 'secede from the US'ish' to me - but I would at least like to understand what you're talking about! Really!
GM - and FarmerBrent - I agree - desensitization is definitely something that comes with the job. I experienced some of that just from doing transcription for the PD. I couldn't transcribe reports detailing an interview of a child (allegedly) raped by a family member and such without becoming de-sensitized to an extent. I'm still thankful for those who choose a career in law enforcement.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Are 14th amendment citizens "subject" or are they "we the people"?
What is the "jurisdiction"of the United States and who has 'exclusive control" over it?
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power....
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
Look at it, and sink it in... to confess 14th amendment citizenship is to be in subjection to the exclusive control of congress.
if a 'free" man is under exclusive control of congress, how is he not a bondman?
What people who claim "constitutional rights' don't understand is that the constitution grants exclusive control to congress over citizens that claim citizenship in the land the constitution grants congress exclusive control over! Therefore there is no bill of rights, for how can exclusive control and natural rights of the subjects coexist?
Only "state" citizens are protected by the bill of rights, because 14th amendment citizens only have those rights which congress grants by decree.
What this means to an 8 year old is
You have rights if congress says it is okay.
The reason people don't know this because they don't care enough to read the contract!
"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States,"
this references specifically the District of Columbia - no?
and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be
Notice the "all places" This references any area which is a federal zone.
When they set up Iraq, the first they they did is put in a "zip code" That didn't strike any one funny, but have such equipment now that they don't need one. But a zip code is a federal jurisdiction overlaid over a state one, and consent is apparent that it is subject to congress if any mail uses it, did you know that?
Fred - I think a dose of skepticism is a good thing - but your ideas here really go way beyond that.
Section 1 - Article 8 that you first referenced as how Congress has total control of US citizens is just flat out wrong. That references the District of Columbia - the not more than 10 square miles that is our capitol - and not a state - but still part of the country. Since they're not a state - they don't have a state congress - thus the federal congress handles the legislative part there. That doesn't grant US Congress control over my life in the way that you have implied - seriously - fear mongering??
As for zip codes in Iraq - anywhere that our military is deployed is issued APO zipcodes. I've used them to send encouragement to our troops before, myself. But again - this sounds like conspiracy. Can you offer source that gives this legs beyond conspiracy theorism?
Gotta lower the price fella - cuz I ain't buyin' it!
You of course have a total right to your opinions politically. And if registering to vote causes you to fear for your rights somehow - that's fine. But I hate to see non-fact spread to support that opinion.
This book is great to get a handle on the subject of the federal zone, if you ask your librarian they will order it in for just a couple of dollars shipping. All Americans should read it
ahhh - freedom fighters radio and dixieland law journal. I understand better now where you're coming from.
Frankly though - I would be more likely to worry about my life status per the BD&P!
So - out of curiosity - are you against paying income tax or filing income tax as well? I've always been fascinated by this belief system - but have never known anybody that bought into it and lived by it - except the voices on my am radio, that is. Are you on board with all of this? Or is it just parts that you believe are fact?
Again - thanks for the source. If I've hijacked your thread too much - I'm sorry! I know you were trying to make a point on a connection between this and the coG when I headed off on this tangent of questions...
Some of this stuff is sort of wacky sounding, but if you want to know why the border control an beat the crap out of a guy that did nothing except keep his windows rolled up, this will help you understand,they consider him the property of the federal zone, and have a right to harm him without cause.
just like the H preachers do in taking their victims into the back room to "see" if they have any foreigners (foreign spirits) in the trunk
Personally, I think it is an unconstitutional and abominable law, and I have done in depth study of the principles of it including reading that book, and if they don't fix it, perhaps the French revolution will look like a picnick, but to live here you have to submit (bow to the beast) or simply quit working and buying and selling, so I pay, my kids pay.
a few years back in the height of the 861 argument, I sent the irs a letter telling the ... the argument, and that I wanted their "proving"
They never got back to me in a reasonable and mentioned time.
so I sent them a certified letter telling them the were in default, and then assumed by their silence I was right and not subject. I also filed my judgment at the recorders office to prove I really was being honest.
It took them 3 years to get back to me and tell me I was wrong, so they gave me 45 days to "file" or go to jail. (hint "Threat duress and coercion")
Whenever a guy points a gun at me and tells to buttkiss, I generally do so and wait for the day of retribution in the Lords timing.
But to give the irs and the evil system credit, if you don't file, you also don't borrow, because you have no income.
If you want out of the tax system there are ways, have you ever checked out the roth ira? That thing is a tax objectors dream come true! They must have made it for the politicians!
There is section 1031 tax deferred exchange of like kind property, and that thing is the greatest wealth builder I have ever seen. I have many dollars of wealth accumulated in real estate and attribute most it to the ability to compound the money that would have gone to income taxes if the 1031 was not available.
I just did a 1031 several weeks ago into a new place, and am fixing to list the acquired property and 1031 out of it in the next few weeks.
my first 1031 was like, I sold a house that quintupled (5 times in value), But i had borrowed it to the limit, and had a choice, do I want to pay 65 K in income taxes, or use that same amount as a down payment on income property that will make it's own payment and maybe even make a few dollars? (tough decision huh?)
The nice thing about all these loopholes is that, most people are too lazy to utilize them, so they pay, and the ones using them don't!
(sarcasm alert)
So if you can stay saved, and conscientiously sign the irs forms it is better to play by their rules.
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I'm pretty sure we'll disagree on this cuz it sounds a bit 'secede from the US'ish' to me - but I would at least like to understand what you're talking about! Really!
