http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522637,00.html?test=latestnews

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/05/29/charges-black-panthers-dropped-obama/

Mr. Gomez

Herbie,

To use Doug's term, people would do well to decipher between the slants of the media.

Brent

Herbie, this is not the first time something like this has happened. What I find ambigious is that if they had a couple friends over for a meal and played bridge or any other game, they would not recieve a citation for unlawful use of land for recreation. Or just having people over for a meal because it was unlawful use of land for conductioning a food preparation activity.

It is time to wake up folks. calledoutPTL

Brent, is there something wrong with Fox News?

FOX and news should not be used in the same sentence.

But, Mr. Gomez, you find that story disturbing but yet you are a member of a cult that practises emotional and spiritual terrorism on people, victimises and re-victimises them and somehow you don't find that disturbing. Give your head a shake.

FOX and news should not be used in the same sentence.--- That is absolutely right. Fox let's you make your mind up. Other news networks usually present one side so you only get half the news. But this is old stuff that is being brought up about FOX. LOL You need another line Steve. calledoutPTL

"Brent, is there something wrong with Fox News?"

GM,

Yes, because the more something appears right, the less it is.

But GM, I don't listen or watch any of it, I read my news in the paper......the last true investigative reporting left. Even reading news on the Internet is like listening and watching - all full of agendas and no work behind it. But why do you suppose the great newspaper industry is fading? Because there's to much truth in it in the form of the way the world really is. And who wants to hear about that anymore, let alone to find the patients to dig it out.

Brent

Steven, fox is way above all the other networks, something like three to one in any given day time hour. So then, do you even know what all is going on here in the United Socialist Republic of America? Oh. I guess they still call it the United States. [that was not meant to be an insult]

Here is more disturbing news. Over at Government Motors, that is the soon-to-be former GM and Chrysler, Obama and henchmen are dictating which dealerships get to stay in business by which political party they donated to. All the ones that donated to Republicans are slated for shut-down. The few that donated to the democrats get to stay in business. Only two donated to Obamas campaign. So what does that tell you?


Here is the website I was going to post: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99325

>>Only two donated to Obamas campaign. So what does that tell you?< <br>


If one were to follow your thought through to its logical conclusion, I guess that tells me that there will soon be only two GM dealerships in the USA??

>>Steven, fox is way above all the other networks, something like three to one in any given day time hour.< <br>

Viewership does not mean accuracy. I mean, in the former USSR, there was only one broadcaster. Everyone had to watch it. So, using your logic, it would mean that the news that the Soviet people got via their state-owned television network was very accurate since the vast majority of the public watched it.

I really doubt if this was a "simple Bible study" like they claim. It's not likely that this was just a couple cars once a week for an hour. This is the kind of stuff that turns people away from Christianity. There has to be more to the story. There are rules in this country about what freedom of religion means. If my next door neighbor's religion is to have a shooting range, and he has a few friends over to practice once a week, I don't think that will work out too well.

There is more to the story, we are losing more freedom all the time. Not only in religion, but other ways. Even medically speaking. calledoutPTL

>>Yes, because the more something appears right, the less it is.< <br>

Brent, I would disagree with that, in the context of truth, and yes sometimes truth takes digging out and cross-referenced to regard it as truth. But I agree that there are some things that are as you say.


>> But why do you suppose the great newspaper industry is fading? Because there's to much truth in it in the form of the way the world really is. And who wants to hear about that anymore, let alone to find the patients to dig it out.< <br>
Why are the newspapers losing revenue? I doubt if it's because they have too much truth, rather it is the fact that people are getting their news online. Newspapers were down 15% in advertising revenue last year. And, people want more alternative viewpoints, rather than relying on one source.

Let's look at who is really controlling the media and their agenda, which is mind control:


http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htm



Herbie, I am probably derailing your thread, I can move it if you want...

Of course, what the story in that first link conveniently omitted was this:

'However, according to Chandra Wallar, a San Diego County representative, someone filed a complaint last month stating the bible study was causing parking troubles in the cul-de-sac.

The county looked into the complaint. "There was parking that prevented access for emergency vehicles, and there was parking on the resident lot which violates our code," Wallar says.'

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/national/dpgo_San_Diego_Fines_Pastor_for_Bible_Study_mb_05292009_2523807

This freaking bullcrap about freedoms being trampled on, etc. is starting to really tick me off. The pastor was not fined for having bible studies in his home. He was fined for his guests causing a potential hazard due to the number of cars parked in the cul de sac and on his lot. There's a whole world of difference between the two.

My reaction to first reading of the Bible study article was similar to Steven's; I figured there has got to be more to the story. The legalities of the issue are that had they applied for the permit it would have been denied. The neighborhood would never have approved a "church" setting there, and more then likely, they would not have been able to meet city codes.

The second story of the charges being dropped really bothers me... unless we are also not hearing the full story. I read about the incident during the election and it angered me that citizens would be intimidated at the voting booth. That is a serious offense and a direct assault on freedom.

And there will be more on the horizen. calledoutPTL

Steve: >This freaking bullcrap about freedoms being trampled on, etc. is starting to really tick me off. The pastor was not fined for having bible studies in his home. He was fined for his guests causing a potential hazard due to the number of cars parked in the cul de sac and on his lot. There's a whole world of difference between the two.< <br> Finally waking up to the fact that there is gossip and rumors totally aside from some basic facts?
This the exact reason I always have suspicion when you report some nefarious H activity that is very dubious and undocumented that there is more to the story than what you report or would like to believe. Funny isn't it how our truth filters reject things that do not fit our perception of life if it doesn't dove tail nicely into our own personal agenda. All I'm saying here is that the table can be turned many times on the half truths that are published on this forum and "surprisingly" enough those with hatred and bitterness toward H eat it up like a candy apple but can sniff out slightly stale truth from a 1/4 of a mile away if it doesn't fit the hate agenda that is often presented here. I also know very well that your finger could also be pointed at me for defending something that isn't totally kosher at times. I'm trying to be careful what I defend and what I feel needs to just run off my back. Give me the same freedom of expression that you expect.

Right on the money, Forreal. Good post!

Brent

I believe that resistance generally causes resistance. When Christians resist something in a wrong way it often results in resistance on the other side. Further too much religion is simply false and non religious people have reason to be upset at it. Nevertheless I realize that most who oppose religion are just as faulty as many religious people are. May we know how to overcome evil with good, rather than killing those who we have reason to disagree with, as was done today to abortionist George Tiller.

I visited a local church this morning and in listening to the pastor wondered if a Democrat could have been a member of it, as the Democratic party was spoken against so much. The sermon was quite political, and it was taught that although Romans 13 teaches that we should be subject to our government (because governments are ordained of God), we yet need not be if it is not subject to our constitution. Then is was taught that the our USA constitution allows self defense and that if our government would try to take our guns away, since that is not constitutional, we should not obey.

I latter thought about other countries and their various constitutions and when religious people might claim they should or should not obey their governments. The Bible is much more important that any constitution, and latter it impressed me that if we don't need to obey our government if it goes against the constitution, how much less do we need to obey it when it goes against the Bible!! What does the Bible say about self defense and war? Obviously God would not want Christians in one country to be killing Christians of another country. This link speaks about Jesus and war; http://www.teachmegod.com/home18d.htm

Although I do not approve of various believes of the JWs, I do appreciate some of their beliefs and manners and one is their church around the world rather than taking sides with any country is a world neutral people who are supposed to love all men.

May God through Christ have mercy on us in a very confused world.

Everbody has agendas. Suppose a girl charges her stepdad in court with sexual abuse, and also suppose the charge is true. Well, the stepdad has an agenda to be found innocent, and the girl has an agenda to get some overdue justice. Foreal's not-so-subtle intellectual dishonesty is that he believes by saying something which is true (i.e., that agendas abound on both sides), but but by saying this in the sense of a pejorative, that suddenly all charges are dropped or found untrue. This is absurd and our civil system of justice works on the basis of Foreal's slippery escape evasion not being valid.

Foreal is a member of an incredibly abusive system. His agenda is to find it innocent so that he can remain comfortable and keep going to the pot lucks. This agenda trumps his intellectual honesty (not to mention much of his actual processing) every time. It would hurt Foreal's pride to finally accept how abusive his Church is, and so simple, he just doesn't go there. This is not new, nor is it rocket science. All the cults to it...oh yeah, every one of them!

Brent is not a member of the abusive fascist system, be he has an agenda that people should remain their and receive the abuse regardless of personal cost, and all this due to some totally obtuse notion of submission to contrived fake authority.

Steve also has an agenda. His is that the abusive system would be stopped.

The agenda's of these three boys all tend to cause them to look for error on the opposite side and minimize their own error. We understand that. However, if Steve would win, this world would be a better place. Brent and Foreal's goal, i.e., that the abuse doesn't exist, or that it continue is despicable.

Stan posted a long list of sophistries once, i.e., invalid or dishonest techniques used to debate. Perhaps someone recognizes the particular sophistry that Foreal is using here. I would like to see that list again.

"Brent is not a member of the abusive fascist system, be he has an agenda that people should remain their and receive the abuse regardless of personal cost, and all this due to some totally obtuse notion of submission to contrived fake authority."

Scott,

I only want people to stay where they belong, and that meaning only for their bad and accountable ignorance. I don't advocate turning any of them loose.

I'm not in denial about abuse. I know the pain and suffering of the innocent. I have sacrifice for it. So your post is extremely abusive and debase to me.

Scott, you're as abusive as those you accuse as being abusive. The track record is out there. It would hurt your pride to finally accept how abusive you are, and so simply you just don't go there. Eat your own words, buster.

Brent

A fascist system is one that values doctrine over humanity. Under fascism, the people are always a resource for the perpetuation of the system. Fascism purports to take care of the people (and often does), but when a fascist system feeds you, clothes you, and changes your diaper, believe me, it is like a cowboy feeding a calf - he plans to eat you. It is in the best interest of fascist systems to offer many benefits to its subjects. But at the end of the day, its still a picture of the Matrix, i.e., the humans are simply bio-fuel to run the system.

Now the health of a fascist system depends upon people not leaving. The ability to leave will eventually destroy the system and must be curtailed from the get-go. Therefore, if you are no longer useful to the system, they will "kill" you, but never let you go. Here again, the parallel is perfect between a fascist political system, a religious cult, or the movie entitled "Matrix". So of course, to advocate that people remain in fascist system at great personal detriment is sad. The basic effect of remaining is always going to be the disassociation of personality and soul at some level. This extremely harmful will probably requires much anti-depression effort, or other compensatory drugs such as materialism, intense passion for religion, etc. etc.. Anyway, some diversion will be required to inject meaning back into your life, and also to give one a sense of differentiation which the system took from you....not only took from you, but actually required as membership. So of course, it is good for the system to advocate that people remain. It is very good for the system, i.e., that which has life but no breath. But it kills people. There is not a respected counselor on this planet that would advocate remaining in an abusive (always fascist) system. The very idea would be incredibly novel to them. Brent, if you had the courage, you should open yourself up to a professional counselor. You might be surprised what you would learn. You may find if very helpful if you had the courage to deal with it.

Scott, you child. You yap on the things you've fertilized in yourself and have never overcome.

Scott advises me....."Brent, if you had the courage, you should open yourself up to a professional counselor. You might be surprised what you would learn. You may find if very helpful if you had the courage to deal with it."

I have the understanding and courage not to seek the help of those that don't have a part in my problem.

In the end everyone has to find their own way. No one gets off free or by fraud. Programs and counseling can make it appear as though the problem is gone - it's a bandage or pill. But somewhere dependency was formed and someone was empowered that didn't have a part in the problem to begin with.

Governments can help you, but they want a part of your flesh for it. A thousand people can pat and dote on you, but they soon remember they have other things to do, and they forget you, and your pain grows worse. A so called "professional counselor" takes your money and has no persuasion over a thinking client.

Brent

"Brent, if you had the courage, you should open yourself up to a professional counselor. You might be surprised what you would learn. You may find if very helpful if you had the courage to deal with it."

Scott,

Why should I bare my soul to a stranger? I bare it to God and life everyday. What greater world experience and lessons could one want.

If I go to a stranger for help, or can't bare something for a little season while the truth is burned in, then I have no reliance on myself, yet I have to carry this thing {body} around and maintain it. It gives me nothing, all it does is suck from me when I go seek premature help.

Brent

Here's why? Often we are acting out disfunction (attachment disorder only for example) but manifesting in ways which are visibly quite unrelated to the actual problem. In other words, there is a science to human behavior (input/output theory) and many of us haven't studied it. The counselor doesn't heal us (we do that), but they help us connect our own dots, or at least, thats the idea.

here's why Brent. #1 no man is an island.
# 2, I personally did just what you are saying you did for yrs. Yes it helped. But there was still something missing. and yes I stayed at least attending the H church for 14 yrs after I was put out, totally not of my own choosing. I tried to not leave their authority just like you continually hound people to do, even though they put me outside of it and also refused to recieve me back.
1 1/2 yrs ago I walked away and also started seeing a psychologist. It was the best thing I ever did for myself. It has allowed me to actually allow myself to grieve the losses that I recieved from where I had been. The loss of all the things that I knew my life was going to be, where my children were going to be, who I had been and was no longer allowed to be, My dreams and expectations as a mother, grandmother, wife, daughter, person in general, my expectations of christian life.
#3 even though we think we are progressing on our own, the things we are struggling with are often evident to others in the way we respond to other people, and events around us. I am personally learning to respond in ways that are much less confrontational or personal than I did before. I can now recognise more easily when something someone else is dealing with is their problem, not mine.

Just an observation here Brent and not trying to push your buttons or anything, but after being here for as long as I have, I can just say that I think it would do you a world of good. And I do not believe that Scott is telling you that because of any hurtful reasons, but because he cares. I would highly recommend you finding someone that works with caringforyourhearts.com By John Rehgier(sp) originally from KS, I believe his office is out of CO now. He was raised amish and has a very understanding system developed that goes into the depth of your heart's pain, hurts and helps you heal and grow.

You know Brent, sometimes people tell us things because they have an agenda and an ax to grind but other times people tell us things because they feel like it would be of value to us to know and have that information at our disposal for future use, or because they see us struggling in an area that they have also struggled and they have found a solution that gave them hope and courage and they wish the same for you.

Love and prayers, Locklady

I believe it was Assop who told the tale of "the blind men and the elephant"

There are many ways to look at a "system". Some would look into the mouth and some examine the droppings left behind.

What goes in the mouth is potential and the droppings are composed of what was unusable and incompatible.

The Jew and infirm were incompatible to the Nazi system. Examining the Jew will not tell you what the Nazi system was. It may narrow it down though by telling you what it wasn't.

And further more there are always those who (when thinking about politics) in their hurry to examine the droppings spend to much time looking under the beast's tail.

Observe nature. You will find that if this is your only viewpoint, all beasts look remarkably the same.

Everyone has an agenda. Nature has one, the hurricane season is upon us again. The well meaning evangelest has one i.e. to bring the good news of personal restoration to everyone that can be reached.

God has one, He has purposed in himself that everything in earth and heaven in the fullness of time will come together in Christ Jesus! Eph. the first chapter. The law of our land has an agenda. The selective service has an agenda in which men and women get reduced to cannon foder many times bringing death or terrible dismemberment.

Legalistic church systems have an agenda and that is to get everyone into the same mold and since that is not a viable thing for the free human spirit many get hurt in terrible ways. I suppose many of these would admit to being shipwrecked at some point when a tough belief or doctrine on it's face has been held higher in value than the believer.

Agendas, agendas. What finally wins? We like to believe that the intrinsic truth of God will finally balance it out. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it!

"but they help us connect our own dots, or at least, thats the idea."

So Scott, you can't connect your own dots? I wouldn't let others play with my dots. The way they connect them is the way we'll think we healed ourselves. I'd rather connect my own dots wrong and learn I can't connect them that way anymore, then have someone else connect them, and from that point never be able to determine the error in me because I wasn't all myself anymore but those that had deceived a part of me.

Look Scott, I've been through these things in my head. I've exhausted one thing after another trying to overcome things that were taking me down. I learned one by one what didn't work or what I might try again another way. But I guess if a person has never been put on the spot or seen the situations they're in, the field work don't matter, just the scholarly untried stuff.

Brent

Locklady, you act like I need counseling. What do I need it for?

Brent

Brent: If you don't think you need counselling, it's often a sign that you do.

"Brent: If you don't think you need counselling, it's often a sign that you do."

Well then Steven, tell me what I need it for.

Besides, I didn't state I didn't need it. I asked what I needed if for.

Brent

Steve,

You need counseling. Don't you agree?

San Diego county withdraws - apology


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=100071

Well, well, it seems our good little Holdefriends are back. What happened? Did the annual meeting minutes get distributed and the sheeple found out they now have permission to post on COG?

Or has the warm glow of the man-kisses, a small cube of Wonder bread and a sip of Welch's finest begun to erode from the memory as the annual 'revival' meetings fade off into the distance and the great Holdewhore begins its summer 'drift', only to be brought back into line at the next seasonally scheduled appointment with the Holy Spurit (aka the aforementioned 'revival' meetings)?

But I digress. In answer to your question, TR, let me use the approach so familiar to you Holdies and ask you a question in return: What makes you think that I would say I do not need counselling? How do you know that I haven't been in counselling? Frankly, I think pretty much anyone who has been affected by the demonic cult you call the OTVC of God, could use a few years of counselling, including me - and you.

Two news stories - only one is disturbing, though. That would be the second one.

GAY PENGUINS RAISE CHICK

BERLIN - A German zoo says a pair of gay male penguins are raising a chick from an egg abandoned by its parents.

Veterinarian Joachim Schoene says the egg was placed in the male penguins' nest after its parents rejected it in late April. The males incubated it for some 30 days before it hatched and have continued to care for it. The chick's gender is not yet known.

Schoene said the birds, named Z and Vielpunkt, are one of three same-sex pairs among the zoo's 20 Humboldt penguins that have attempted to mate.

BRING GUNS: PASTOR

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - A Kentucky pastor is inviting his flock to bring guns to church to celebrate the Fourth of July and the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

New Bethel Church is welcoming "responsible handgun owners" to wear their firearms inside the church June 27.

An ad says there will be a handgun raffle, patriotic music and information on gun safety.

"We're just going to celebrate the upcoming theme of the birth of our nation," said pastor Ken Pagano. "And we're not ashamed to say that there was a strong belief in God and firearms -- without that this country wouldn't be here."

The guns must be unloaded and private security will check visitors at the door, Pagano said.

I have never met a person that did not have issues at one level or another. All of us need counseling from time to time; if not then why were the gifts that edify, set into the body of Christ by the Spirit who knows all this?

[Trust], is required to give ear to counseling. It is easy to see that [trust] is a thing that many of us would have a problem with. Exhortation, reproof, prophecy to edification, all work to counsel us if we can [trust] the sources from where they come.

To disqualify all of it on the merits of [distrust] greatly slows down the process of the blossom of our lives. We need one another, especially so once we get past our bitterness, which results many times from our [trust] being broken down!

I am taking a good look at what Brent is saying and I am seeing that it has merit. We do not need to have certain portions of our being deceived and thus destroy the building of our lives in the upper stories. In my opinion counseling that is in error is worse than no counseling at all.

Well, well, it seems our good little Holdefriends are back. What happened? Did the annual meeting minutes get distributed and the sheeple found out they now have permission to post on COG?



Yeah, I wonder when RM will be back. That Holdi-weed has got to be wearing off soon I would think.

TR is probably attending RM's summer Holdi-kiss retreat and Traveling Man, he got upset at me for poking fun at him and RM kissing.

They're fun guys, though. I just can't figure out why they find the COG so alluring.

Even though RM doesn't post anymore, I can almost guarantee that he still reads.

Hey, RM, forget Sarah Palin in 2012. MN, Governor Tim Pawlenty will be the Republican candidate. You heard it here first. As for me, I'll be voting for Barrack again.

Happy trails, RM.