The below video link shows how the Moslem World is slowly taking over the world, simply by having large families while other nationalities are having only very few children. As I remember it says in France in about 30 years, four out of five will be Moslems. I wonder why people in USA have to go to China to adopt children while here they are killing almost new borns? Should not adoption be made easier rather than late term abortion?
Amos, if you really believe that Muslims are taking over the world and if you really do believe that God is in control of his creation, why does this cause you so much concern? Does your God not know what he is doing?
Amos, I suppose you think that all Muslims are going to burn in hell. If your answer is "No, all Muslims are not going to Hell," then why the big stink? Do you really think that Christians have a better chance of an eternal reward than Muslims?
Amos, your God must be one absolute ******* to allow so many millions of people to take over the world with their religion and then send them all to Hell.
Better yet, Amos, I wish that you would apply your intellect to scientific matters. I know you, Amos, and I am sure that if you did that your contribution to human kind would be much more beneficial than trying to figure out the quagmire of religion.
I believe everybody in his right mind knows their is much evil in our world, and if people want to blame it on God that is up to them, and if they have no God to blame it on then they have to blame it on who?
I believe I did design various nice things in the past that could contribute to society, but I found that often people are to proud to accept another's idea or ways and thus reject new things, unless somehow they are forced into taking them on. We live in a world where people want to believe they know best and their ways are best and when that is challeged there is trouble.
This message has been edited by AmosB1 on May 31, 2009 7:02 PM
We can sit here and cry it's a pleasure-man age but will anyone listen? No because it is not pleasurable to do so.
Late term abortions for example are not about religion or morality, they're about the complete lack of justice for the unborn. That stirs incredible emotion in some radical folk and a well known doctor is now gone. Is there any sense to this anywhere?
The pleasure of the woman, i.e. the quality of the pregnant woman seems to completely overide our sense of justice, particularly in the case of late term abortions. It is not justice nor noble to destroy a baby who's nearly ready for delivery!
When justice goes down the pipes we can no longer say that we are fully human! Nothing religious here.
So-called justice is a thing that money buys now in many courts and it reveals that we are ripe to be either picked or refined.
Justice! Who gets it? Is it only for the affluent and those who love pleasure? Did the Doctor get justice at a certain street level? [We dare not say that he did, do we]? Indeed we are a nation of laws and when we go awry of the the law we beome a fugitive from the justice of the law.
There's a certain justice system in each human being by merit of being a human. The lower animals seem not to have this.
When this thing [called justice]is put aside where anything of personal increase is involved, we hold a decadent position. Nothing religious here. At times justice in the old west was served before the law was set into the culture, when a gang of horse thieves would be hung by average men living in the countryside who thought in terms of justice. A man's ride was thought of as his life.
We must re-think our positions concerning justice in our more serious moments...
The idea of [being against] late term abortion has for most part been thrown over into moral and religious camps and it should have landed in the camps and halls of Justice! If I heard the news commentary right this clinic had performed 60,000 abortions in it's span of doing business. If that is so the thing actually went beyond the pale of the imagination. Hunderds per month must have occurred at times. My question is this; How without conviction could a person sit still in a church pew where the name of Jesus was likely mentioned at least once each Sunday and continue such behavior? I will not call it a profession.
The new appointee to the highest hall of justice in the land, has already let slip some troubling statements which are being noted.
Justice!
Justice?
Where have our best minds gone?
This message has been edited by doug-64 on Jun 2, 2009 8:24 AM This message has been edited by doug-64 on Jun 1, 2009 5:59 PM
The thing that stumps my mind the most about this story is how this guy (Tiller) spent his entire career performing late-term abortions, and yet was apparently a member at the Reformation Lutheran Church. It says plenty about the man himself, but also says a lot about a group of Christians who would openly accept him as a member of their church. On the one hand, if what he was doing was legal, then it was his right to live and work within the legal system that exists. It just defies imagination why a "Christian" doctor couldn't find something better to do with his life, like actually helping people.
BrentD, that was exactly my thoughts. It's so ironic that he is killing babies all week and then on Sunday morning he goes to a so-called Christian church, which I agree that they have no morals themselves if they include him as a member.
A couple of points: Just because he performed late-term abortions, doesn't mean that is all he did as a doctor (perhaps it was all he did - I don't know). Additionally, did he perform them in any and all situations, or was it when the life of the mother was at risk or at stake? (I'd see there being a difference there). As far as the good folks at Reformation Lutheran not having any morals, I think you'd probably find that to be a rather inaccurate statement. (Perhaps they have more liberal morals in some areas, but they may well be more moral in others).
Steve... To my knowledge, Tiller only performed abortions UNLESS he botched an abortion and then he had to try and save the life of the baby that he had just been aborting. AND yes this is a true happening in Tiller's life. My pastor received a call from some group at the abortion clinic saying that an abortion had gone terribly wrong and they were taking the patient to the hospital. My pastor and another pastor went immediately to the hospital and waited in the waiting room. Tiller came out and started talking to them, not realizing that they were not family. Concerning the baby, he told them the patient had died. VERY SCAREY thought.. the abortion "dr" who was just trying to end a life in an aboriton now trying to save the baby's life. HMMM.. do you think he tried very hard? If the patient would have lived... it could easily open him up to a lawsuit.
Concerning the situation of if the mother's life was in danger.. here in Kansas .. .... the mother's physical life is supposed to be in danger.. unfortunately however... they maneuver around that.. Which.. is a very easy thing for someone to get around.. ESPECIALLY when the 2nd opinion dr recommending the abortion for the woman is receiving money from Tiller himself/herself. (Which is illegal.. but unfortunately Kansas courts did not see it that way at this time.. of course.. the District Attorney had received quite the campaign contributions from Tiller....)
edited.. to make my statement accurate.
Kansas law reads
As long as fetus is not viable (and mother's informed consent obtained); abortion of viable fetus permitted if 2nd M.D. certifies that abortion is necessary to preserve life of mother or fetus has severe, life-threatening deformity or abnormality
Women can abort their babies for a life-threatening deformity or abnormality... a lot of things can be considered "life-threatening" even something as simply as a cleft lip and palate.
This message has been edited by larkagain on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 PM
Steve, normal healthy men have a strong protective mechanism on behalf of innocents, vulnerable, weak, marginalized, etc. Does anything stir in you when you contemplate killing an 8-month term baby?
I must hasten to admit that I do understand that enough plain-type breeding can eventually breed the testosterone right out of a man's genes, and at this point, he believes he has become just like Jesus. "May God have mercy!"
Vine, I guess I don't see the connection. Enlighten me.
Steven, it doesn't matter if he has done just a few or many late term abortions, it is still taking a life.
The statistics show that the risk of a mother's life being in danger and the baby needing to be aborted is less than 1% nationally.
That may have been a poor choice of words to say those Lutheran people don't have any morals but, could you visualize you or I breaking bread together with an abortionist sitting next to each other in a communion service? I can't.
Steve.. unfortunately.. the Lutheran churches here in the Wichita area.. are not getting a real good reputation. The BTK killer from the Wichita area was a member of one of the Lutheran churches and then they have Tiller killing all of these babies.....
and that would be .. what.. the straw man logical fallacy against the Lutheran church... :P
This message has been edited by larkagain on Jun 1, 2009 10:38 PM
BrentD: but (it)also says a lot about a group of Christians who would openly accept him as a member of their church.
GM: It's so ironic that he is killing babies all week and then on Sunday morning he goes to a so-called Christian church, which I agree that they have no morals themselves if they include him as a member.
GM, What I'm saying is that for these thoughts to ring true you would have to forget/forgive everything from the past where you and the Holdemans dis-agree. For you know better, it's not new to you. Least what you hold against them be untruth.
Scott,
"Tiller wasn't shot because he had performed a late-term abortion one or twice in a critical situation. He died because he had an energy for it."
Exactly!
Some may call it Karma, others say it is the law of sowing and reaping or what goes around comes around. Depravity calls forth depravity. Eternal laws can't be circumvented.
Tiller, Dr. George R., age 67, Diplomat of the American Board of Family Practice and Medical Director of Women's Health Care Services, died on Sunday, May 31, 2009. He was shot and killed while serving as an usher at his place of worship, Reformation Lutheran Church. George was the son of Dr. Jack and Catherine Tiller. He was born in Wichita at Wesley Hospital where he later became President of the Medical Staff. As a young man he attended Alcott Elementary School, Robinson Junior High School, and Wichita East High School, graduating in 1959. He attended the University of Kansas on a swimming scholarship, completed a degree in zoology in 1963, and graduated from the University of Kansas School of Medicine in 1967. He served his medical internship at the U.S. Naval Hospital, Camp Pendleton, CA. He graduated from the Naval Aerospace Medical Institute Flight Surgeon School and became a U.S. Navy Flight Surgeon. In 1970, upon the death of his father, mother, sister Paula and brother-in-law, George returned to Wichita to assume his father's medical practice at 5101 E. Kellogg, the current location of Women's Health Care Services. George served as one of the team physicians for the Wichita Wings. He was Medical Director of Women's Alcoholism Treatment Services for the Sedgwick County Health Department. At Wesley Medical Center he was a clinical instructor in the Department of Family Medicine, a member of the Executive Committee, and President of the Medical Staff. He was a member of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the National Abortion Federation and many other national organizations. He was a renowned speaker and guest lecturer on women's health issues for numerous organizations around the world. George married his best friend and life partner Jeanne Guenther in 1964. He is survived by his wife Jeanne, son Maury (Kristin) and daughters Jennifer, Rebecca (Eric), and Krista (Cory); ten grandchildren: Jackson, Julia, Joseph, Cora, Nathan, Lily, Kathryn, George, James and Benjamin; and his sister Diana (Roger).
Yes indeed let us not forget Legacy. That's the son that follows us. He continues the farm or the plantation. What our legacy turns out to be is actually our birthright or our right from birth to be good or evil.
Our legacy can be absolute liberty and justice for all or our legacy can be that we forfeited justice and liberty by perverting what is a true and balanced compassion. Operating in accordance with a type of compassion where something far greater than compassion has been forfeited. Justice the first priority and compassion as second priority must be, or we will altogether lose our way.
Our own legacy can be that we remitted other's failures and trandgressions or that we retained other's failures and transgressions once justice is accomplished.
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