If these have been posted before, I apologize but I thought someone might find them interesting.

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thanks again...

couple shared their experiences with God, and their testimony witnessed to us."

You need to understand these idolaters are not looking to save the lost, but rather to take the saved and bring them into bondage (submission to the holdegod and her nefarious ordained ministers)
after they are saved.



So the testimony of these people witnessed that there might be a place here to try to kill the spiritual life in those already saved and thus fulfill the calling of the H church system!

Php 3:2* Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

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"An amount of $800,000 has been spent on food relief."

That's nice and all. But then you have the $2-3M churches being built to sit empty oh, about 98% of the week, while their own brethren are suffering from malnutrition. Hmmmm.

from the first post,
During our recent visit, services were held in the streets and the parishes, and tracts were handed out. The people welcome tracts and visits. "One couple shared their experiences with God, and their testimony witnessed to us."


Was that 'before' they received the tracts or 'after'? If they had these 'experiences' before the tracts.....?

Question: Did those people witness to the H or did the H witness to them?



[I posted this earlier but removed it so it wouldn't interrupt the Minutes posts]

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Concerns about the teachers' dress at the teachers preparatory classes. The general attire of those attending the Teachers' Preparatory class has improved over the last few years. There are concerns with the attire of some while traveling to and from the classes. Many are dressed consistently, but some with no hosiery, wearing flip flops and dresses that are too narrow. It is important that our young people leave a clear witness. To the world. Is it a lack of teaching or a lack of obedience?



Oh, how scandalous. How COULD they?

I am confused.
I used to think that you GM-Man were a Holdeman. Lately I notice that you talk about the Holdemans as "them". Are you a member?

Does anybody have any of the last 3 years minutes?

No kidding, Sirius. You can almost sense the arousal of the long-bearded brethren as they contemplate the titillating thoughts of nubile young sisters travelling in their Accords and Camrys with their exposed feet, ankles, and maybe even a bit of calf sticking out from under the form-fitting skirts of those floral print dresses!

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Concerns about the teachers' dress at the teachers preparatory classes. The general attire of those attending the Teachers' Preparatory class has improved over the last few years. There are concerns with the attire of some while traveling to and from the classes. Many are dressed consistently, but some with no hosiery, wearing flip flops and dresses that are too narrow. It is important that our young people leave a clear witness. To the world. Is it a lack of teaching or a lack of obedience?

Is there anything more low brow than the above? Do they read this drool after they print it and think holy $hit did I say that? The whole thing wreaks of self righteous pontification. I am not surprised by the way.

P4. 7.C.

"Liberty, Kentucky. About thirty years ago the Plain People came to this area." (Nice to know that the Holdies realise that they are no longer plain people).

"There is some unrest among them. Visits were made and tent meetings were held last summer with 20-40 visitors attending the meetings. Some opened their hearts to the brethren... Fifteen to 20 people recently attended a meeting. The uncertainty of their own salvation is a burden to some of them."

(One wonders what the Holdies response would be if another group moved into one of their communities and came and started to try to evangelise THEM. Also, what are the Holdies doing talking about other people having 'uncertainty' about their salvation? It's they who rely on annual 'revivals' to stop their 'drift' and it is they who seem to have doubts about their salvation. Physicians: Heal thyselves).

Some opened their hearts to the brethren... Fifteen to 20 people recently attended a meeting.




Oh my God, stop the train. 15 to 20 people? You'd think Billy Graham was in town.

Not sure if it was this annual meeting or the one before it, but I cannot forget my daughter coming home upset from the reading of the minutes meeting. There was quite an adieu about the length of the girls dresses and the narrow skirts. Narrow skirts are quite the thing of all the plainer mennonites in our area for a number of yrs already. But after the meeting the youth girls met in the bathroom to check out the length of their skirts in the full length mirror there. The ministers wife came in and had a discussion with them. She asked our daughter point blank if she would shorten her skirts if asked to by the staff. R said flat out, " NO, it's immodest." the ministers wife kinda looked at her, shut up and walked out, nothing more was ever said to her. but a number of the women my age shortened their skirts nearly to their knees to the point that the youth boys complained about it looking ridiculus. that too ended shortly thereafter. There is a lot of comments given in our area about the dress of Mennonites and amish and there is a comment often given how they respect some more than others because they can tell that the men and the women dress differently. they do not have the men dressed from the fashion shops and the women to look like they have come from somewhere else. That is one thing they say about the H, Unless you know them, they look like any other man from any other church, but you can identify the women from afar and outsiders think that is degrading. They say at least the amish both dress different.

"A new congregation in Leamnington, Ontario has started, with their own deacon and five or six couples. There are approximately 50,000 Mennonite people in this area. At Aylmer, another new work is beginning. The Gospel sowing season there has begun."

What freaking arrogance! Only now, once the Holdiecult shows up can the Gospel start to be spread to this benighted corner of Ontario? For crying out loud, people! You believe this drivel?

"The variety of religious persuasions will be an continuing challenge to the missionary couple there."

Oh, those poor Holdies, they are only one voice among many and the people in Aylmer are not flocking to them to genuflect to the Holdewhore.

Repeat after me: The Holdemans are not only a cult. They are an exceedingly arrogant cult.

steven;

I think that most of them are totally unaware of this arrogance. It's seen as something normal and proper and legitimate. How can a person be humble when there's just so much to be proud about? The arrogance is totally white-washed so far as I can determine.

One of the noted leaders recently said this; We're not arrogant in believing that we're the special ones etc., it would be arrogant (toward God) to deny that we are the real people of God or the special people of God. That's almost verbatum.

As to simple blindness. My dear sister recently said to me, [she is dear to me], you don't think Doug that we stand out in public do you; she was speaking of the women? We do not believe in standing out like that. We do what we do so we won't stand out.

I simply do not have the expertise nor the equipment to figure these type things out. I mean this. I must wonder if I at one time was as non-seeing as the above scenarios. I don't even know anymore. I guess I'm having serious memory lapses.

>>One of the noted leaders recently said this; We're not arrogant in believing that we're the special ones etc., it would be arrogant (toward God) to deny that we are the real people of God or the special people of God. That's almost verbatum.< <br>
Oh. My. They're even farther gone than I thought.

Steve, I'm afraid they will have to pry your jaws the from holdy pantleg with a crowbar...and regarding if they are a cult or not? What other label could provide innocent neighbors with adequate warning?

I like the part where they say they had interest from someone in Cameroon. Say,doesn't this validate the holdicult? Some dude in Cameroon seeks God and upon finding one of their tracts contacts them. Well, they compass land and sea to make one proselyte. This validates them and they send a missionary across the seas, usually of course with a nanny in tow for the children. They search out this seeker and check to see if his/her spirit witnesses with theirs. They return home with a report. Sometimes they actually baptize this person and shortly after expel him. In the meantime there are those from among them back home who they pronounce lost and deceived who are left languishing and lost. I think there is something in the Bible that speaks about this.

Does anyone have any more minutes from the last few years they can post?