I am truly sorry... That you caught me....


I'll try to be sneakier next time.


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Don Millsap is old and sickly now, so I want to use charity and deference here, but I cornered him about the abuse he performed upon the Stoppels when the Holdeterror had decided to go for their fresh-kill as they decided to offer them to the holdgod's blood sacrifice.


The above quote is almost word for word what he told me, and definitely the message I got from his words.

Now, the preachers have them selves on "repentance" and my heart chokes up a huge "yea right and I have a bridge for sale too". Their penitence will include how to be more sneaky as they are seeking to obtain rule over their Nicolaitian peons in membership, but the penitence will not include handing back the authority of the church to the membership. For they mean to rule well, but they mean to rule, and that is the problem, and the main reason they will look under every stone except that one for the way to fix their little blood sucking spiritual vampire.



So brother preachers, as you are experience your spiritual penitence, I wanted to commend you to the truth.

Authority is the thing that Satan had a problem with isn't it?

If you are having spiritual problems, no doubt those problems arise from being "ignorant of his devices" and mostly include misplaced ideas of who is suppose to be in authority.

Now you people have a conference authority, where by contract you all give up your right to be under God, and instead you sit happily under the holdegod, (conference) and hope that slimy beast will treat you right, or at least not catch you in the spiritual blood terror she issues upon her victims. But you simply cannot discern the truth that God never intended the Holdegod to have authority in "His church" For he is to have authority.

Man has authority over his family, and if he is wise, and his family do not rebel, he has a right to authority in a group of believers. Where 2 0r 3 of those believers are gathered together, there Christ will be in the midst of them.

But you have conference built authority founded on misapplication of obvious scripture, and thus you are over those that God wants you in subjection to. You discipline your superiors which almost unilaterally is a bigger sin than the thing you are disciplining.


The Government of the Church in the bible is very simmilar to the government in the family.

My sons and daughters may come to me and "rebuke me" but it would be a gross error and an lack of reverence to come and rebuke me for things clearly not found in Scripture.

color of cars, clothes, hair style, possessions and business that is not inherently immoral, simoply are out of place for the people under my rule, to come and rebuke me for.

But the preachers in the H take it upon themselves to routinely rebuke their elders in these matters. This is a sin my friends.



1Ti 5:1* Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;


But the holdegod forces you to be the "boss" and you like it, and you think this is your scriptural job, the bible rebukes you and actually commands you to not do it, and you get spiritual cross signals.

If you want to micro manage your membership, and force obedience in a way that would be scriptural, you need to teach your fathers to rebuke their children.

You need to get your fathers to sign an agreement. You need to get them to rebuke each other and you need to stay out of it! But you are in rebellion by rebuking your elders for silly infractions of rules, and that rebellion is wherein your sin is founded, and what you need to repent for and turn from.

I have a right to "tell my children" and expect obedience. If my children disobey me in the Lord they are in trouble with the Lord. But dear minister, your description in scripture is a servant to those who called him to serve, and a servant does not rebuke his master.

You will divide the corridors of hell for your treachery if you refuse to repent for this confusion, and the evil you have done to your misinformed laity.

Here's the sad thing I see about the Holdemans. There is something known as the "collective consciousness",the human family, etc. I know these terms have sort of new age overtones, and might cause a Holdeman to be glad to be separate from all that, but all of these things are based in truth, even if in some cases they are taken to an extreme. All of humanity is interconnected, there is a cosmic flow, a brotherhood of man. People who need and are seeking healing, even those who are not seeking it, can be touched by the flow of love and human experience that is simply in the air around us as we interact and learn from one another. The bars and walls that close the Holdeman in close the love and goodness of the rest of the world out. They think it is a good thing. They're proud of it. But they have created a sterile test tube in which to live and they have lost their connection with the rest of the human race on a spiritual and experiential level. There is a fear and aversion to their fellow human beings. There is wisdom and truth in the world around them and other people are tapping into it and being enriched, connected and healed by the simple experience of being part of a universal family. These people have created a cage for themselves with locks and bars. They believe that they are safe and better off. When I found myself outside that cage, I found that I could tap into the love and the wisdom that inherently flows around me. I found healing in peace in learning to know my fellow human being brothers and sisters. I learned from them, I allowed the intrinsic love around me to heal me. When I think back to the loss of this that exists in the Holdeman world, and the subsequent strangeness that results, I am truly saddened for them. There is an energy that flows among them that they call good, but it is a stale and a stunted thing, that simply recirculates and like a cud, gets chewed and spit up and chewed and swallowed again. Come out into the real world, people, enjoy God's creation with freedom and take a chance on exploring and learning for yourselves. Be rid of fear and bondage and let God himself go to work in your lives. Doug's call for repentance is on time and is not necessarily a call for any of us to do anything specific, but rather an invitation for these people to join us as one of God's creatures who are seeking searching, learning and growing and interacting and finding awe and joy in the journey.

Good points, VS.


>The bars and walls that close the Holdeman in close the love and goodness of the rest of the world out. They think it is a good thing. < <br>

VS, to further your thought there, the general public out there is rather low on the scale of importance, don't have much to offer and are not to be trusted, decieved,etc. But, should someone out there show any interest in the H church, those people's level of importance jumps up several notches. If they start coming to church their importance rises exponentially. Should they get to the point of membership, then they have attained. The love and affection will be showered upon them for a year until they have convinced everyone they are lifers and then the affection will fade away.

Here is the question: what drives this type of action,, the motive? Is it to show them how good we are? Are we showing them the Holdeman church first, then Jesus Christ?