Whoa! how scary. Kevin at that early of an age did you find that statement to be wrong because you just knew it intellectually? or spiritually? Or neither? Did it make you frightened of him?
Paris, at that young age I probably didn't put a whole lot of thought into it spiritually or intellectually. That's the key, get'em while they're young.
When I think back on it, though, whoa, anyone who sends their kids to a school like that is not doing them many favors.
Hmm.. if a person goes around being disrespectful to people (irregardless of who it is)... don't they disrespect God at the same time?
I don't think so, I think there needs to be some distinction involved in the idea to respect people vs respecting God. It may be a subtle teaching but it still needs to be kept separate. That's how abuse starts. IMO
Lark, it's not that I went around disrespecting the teacher or anything like that. Just normal, mischievous, pushing the envelope type of things that boys sometimes do. I don't know why that statement has stuck with me all these years, but it has. I'm not bitter about it, either.
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One day, while in school, after all my work was done and I could read whatever I wanted from the school library, I happened to be reading in the encyclopedia about war ships or something concerning the military. Well, this same teacher, she (The teacher was a woman, Paris. I should have made that clear sooner, not that it matters.) was walking by my desk and told me she would rather I not read about war
" I don't know why that statement has stuck with me all these years, but it has. I'm not bitter about it, either."
Kevin, I think that maybe on some level as a child you knew that people are not supposed to equate themselves as being as important as God.
Even if a child doesn't know that much about God, they still have the capacity to see that the person who says such a thing, is going above and beyond their position. I think also on some level it rivals with a father or their parents. A young man may or may not be in tune with the fact that their is someone between that teacher and God and that would be their father.
I also wonder if children in that position are already hearing a false or dominating and abusive out of line position. That's maybe why it stuck with you, because you knew it was wrong.
In the bigger world where kids go to a public school or even a Christian school like they have now days, not a "hidden society" like the Holdeman, but in today's world those type of statements are dealt with because it most certainly iscrossing a line that even if you're not a Christian you recognize it as being controlling in an abusive way.
Well cowabunga Sirius, your going to find these ex'ed holdi's on here telling you the very same thing!
They're just as anti military as the holdemans are, in fact they're more holdeman than they want to admit.
Only real difference is they got jack booted, some rightfully so , some no doubt, got a real holdeman
shafting.
Okay, Brent, I agree and that doesn't mean that I am following you. I just happen to agree.
I can say this, even if the Holdemans repealed the shunning that they do, even if they just let people go without guilt, I'd have left anyway.
It's folks like Locklady that I find hard to relate to in that I think she really did or still would like to be a member of the Holdeman group. Even cupcake and her struggles. I try to understand how people in their mid life still can't seem to let go of that group, and it's hard for me to grasp.
At risk of sounding like you, Brent, and I'm not kissing up, I swear, I enjoy the full range of humanity. I can converse with the CEO of a fortune 500 company as comfortably as I can shoot the breeze with the man who cleans out the porta-potti at a construction site. It makes no difference to me. People are people. As a matter of fact, I get some of the most satisfactory chit-chat from the most common of men.
Had I stayed a Holdeman, more than likely I would have been shielded from the diverse range of relationships that I have enjoyed.
"It's folks like Locklady that I find hard to relate to in that I think she really did or still would like to be a member of the Holdeman group"
I said some got a real holdeman shafting, I was specifically talking about Locklady. I truly believe
this was a holdeman shafting that should cause every holdeman to hang their head in shame.Now I can just
hear TR's words, going something like this: "Wellll now, lets not be to hasty here in condeming us
holdemans, you know there's another side to this story" HOGWASH, this was a Royal Holdeman Rape job if
there ever was one, because it's just like the one my sister got.
Had I stayed a Holdeman, more than likely I would have been shielded from the diverse range of relationships that I have enjoyed.
Boy, howdy, ain't that the truth !!
That has been one of the BEST benefits of being expelled. The wife and I have REALLY enjoyed a new and different phase of our life by not being afraid to visit with those "worldly people" that we have been thrown out to. My wife has made the comment about how they are people,too, and God loves them just as much as the Holdemans. Its really broadened our minds to view people as being loved of God and not as "those worldly people trash" as seems to be the common disdain of the staunch church holdeman.
When I was in 12th grade I asked my english teacher where we were going. She told me I was going to hell if I didn't change my ways. I can't believe she spoke to me that way. After that I knew that I would never be an english teacher. Totaly true story!!
Check! Check! Reality Check! Getting kicked around for telling it like it is since 2005!!
After that I knew that I would never be an english teacher. Totaly true story!!
Oh my God, TM, you had me so engrossed and on the edge of my seat that I almost passed out from lack of oxygen. Did you know right away or was it a process?
Please tell me that you have found a suitable, alternative way of earning a living.
After much conseling I grew out of my fear of english teachers and have moved on. It's a lot better now that they knocked that old building down and buried the haunting memories. I'm OK most days but get a little jumpy if I feel a 12th grade eglish teacher sneaking up. It's a hard burden to carry but it helps so much to know there are those that care. If you could all send me some money so I can buy a new keyboard it would help greatly. Some of the letter keys don't work very well any more.
It's me again!
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