A psychiatrist said this may be an expected response from Dugard after being released from her horrific 18 year kidnapping. "Dugard might say things that seem infuriating, such as expressing sympathy or affection for her captors. Such feelings are not uncommon among those who have been kidnapped."
Could this phenomenon also explain why Holdemans who have been abused by the system can still defend and cling to it so staunchly? Isn't Holdmanism a very real form of kidnapping the mind, will, and emotions?
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I feel so trapped! Help me please! They are turning me into a zombie! My brain is so numb. If I give in it will all go away.....................Maybe I'll ask for a staff visit and the ycan yell at me, that way I'll know that they love me.
Check! Check! Reality Check! Getting kicked around for telling it like it is since 2005!!
Maybe in the mix there is an element of isolation that a kidnapped person has. Maybe after a while they depend on that isolation to keep them safe.
Human nature likes to have boundaries. I have always heard that children feel happier and are more confident when they have boundaries.
I think even when the boundaries aren't healthy, if they are forced on someone they will begin to rely on them to make sense of their world. That's my 2cents.
The Stockholm Syndrome is a psychological shift that occurs in captives when they are threatened gravely but shown acts of kindness by their captors. Captives who exhibit the syndrome tend to sympathize with and think highly of their captors, at times believing that the captors are showing them favor stemming from inherent kindness. Such captives fail to recognize that their captors' choices are essentially self-serving. When subjected to prolonged captivity, these captives can develop a strong bond with their captors, in some cases including a sexual interest.
travelingman, your input is not valid because you are still in captivity. This thread addresses the ones who have been set free but still yearn for the comforts of prison.
VirSis; individuals do not get set free by an organization. We become free when we understand where and in Whom our faith lies. I understand such faith to be in Jesus Christ... alone.
I am free. Nobody but me controls my mind. I try to live by the spirit. Nobody anywhere belongs to any church or other organisation that they 100% agree with on all point. If we choose to aling ourselves with an organisation we have to bend some. Because I bend here and there does not mean that I can't see. It's a narrow mind that has to have everything their way. But I digress I msut be blinder than I thought. Poor me.
Check! Check! Reality Check! Getting kicked around for telling it like it is since 2005!!
Like an H relative of mine told me once: "But I don't feel brainwashed..." Actually, I am sure she doesn't. But if she did, she wouldn't be brainwashed, now would she?
What I think needs to be realized here, is that this syndrome, mentality, whatever you want to call it, applies to every person that is living or has lived in an abusive situation, that those that have not lived that cannot understand. While they desire to, they simply cannot relate, it is not part of their reality.
LM and I both grew up in very violent situations. While many people knew his dad was that way, He was still a very much people oriented person that many many people loved and liked very much. They felt sorry for his children, did not know what to do about it but felt like he wanted to do what was right. He died when his oldest child was 13 and left 8 of them and 3 of those were born total invalids, 2 more had died just 9 mos before he did. He was replaced in the lives of those children by uncles that were just as abusive in their own way and yes they were all H. Today only one of those 5 remaining children are H, They are all dealing with their past in a different way, 2 no longer live with their original spouse. and there are 21 grand children, of whom 17 are H and 9 of those are married H. I believe that for most of the grandchildren the violent history is a story of their past, not a part of their present life, but the effect of it still lingers in their parents reactions to life.
The same thing applies to my past also. What we have lived and survived has had a real and tangible affect on us, how we relate to God, to others and to our own families. In my family however very few people knew or had any inkling of the violence and abuse. My father had an influential affect on many people in many places and for the most part, I am considered a lier for bringing out what happened to me, to my family. People that knew my father look on in disbelief, so you quickly learn to keep your mouth shut and act like nothing has ever went wrong. That inability to be believed and get help has seriously affected both my physical and mental health over the years. And I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to see the affect it has had on my brother's family, And yet I see us as overcomers. Even though we have gone thru great adversity, I see our children overcoming and living lives better than what we grew up and better than we were able to give them. They are seeking to give their own children the healthiest physically and spiritually life that they can.
But I also know what they are talking about when they say that Jaycee's mind simply allowed her to relate to her abuse, because that is part of your reality and unless you have a place to go to escape, you stay where you are because it is now safe even though it is filled with horror. You know nothing else and the horror is only there intermitently. you live a life on edge, never knowing when the next horror will hit but in between there is a normalicy that belies the bad and brings a certain sense of security. Those looking onto our family, loved coming to our house to visit, there was always an open door and we had lots of fun times with our company. It was also a time that was always safe, when someone else was there. Yet there were a very few people that caught on that all was not well. I was well over 40 when a friend that used to stay with me on a regular basis told me that she somehow knew that something was wrong and felt sorry for me. she lived another country and used to come to visit once in a while when we were teenagers.
In another thread they are discussing the Balm of Gilead. I still remember the time that I was reading that and tryiing to deal with my H situation and crying out to God, "Why was there no help where I was to get me free of this situation?". Now I look back and see that I first had to walk away. and yet I think God had a purpose in the amount of time we stayed in that whole thing. We had to be ready to move on first.
Always remember when you judge someone that what you see is not the reality that they are living.
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