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witchcraft

November 5 2009 at 6:48 PM
calledoutPTL  (Login erv123)

Resist legalistic tactics that prevent you from worshipping in a new way. Robert Heidler says this: "We must learn to discern between the wheat of grace and the tares of legalism. They look alike. They grow together. Grace is based in faith working through love. Legalism is based in fear and control which are workings of witchcraft. Religion and legalism will morph together to form witchcraft. Legalism 'bewitches' people into believing that after beginning by grace they can advance through legalism."-----How many agree with this. calledoutPTL

 
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Witchcraft vs legalism

November 6 2009, 3:58 AM 


"Legalism 'bewitches' people into believing that after beginning by grace they can advance through legalism."

Yes, I believe people can (choose)convince themselves of "anything" they want to believe which causes them to do and believe all kinds of things...!




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Re: witchcraft

November 6 2009, 6:04 AM 

Freedom in Christ is quickly brought into subjection of the evil one through the medium of "witchcraft".

I really like this definition, "Controlling people without confrontation"

Contrast "controlling" by confrontation with controlling without it.

With confrontation, it is required that the person being controlled has done a wrong that has caused either some harm or a trespass of some sort. It is required that there be a victim. Jesus said "tell him his fault between thee and him alone"

So a confrontation is a love building, and relationship building method of "control".

But witchcraft requires deception and dishonesty, for it's roots are founded in satanic influence, and the control is ceded in bondage.

It is actually way more complicated to work, and takes an infrastructure, or "web" if you will.

This is why I can see no moral reason why the Holdeman leadership doesn't require an agreed upon set of written rules that are fully disclosed, and that one who doesn't care to "submit" may freely leave without molestation. If (1) consent is there with (2)full disclosure and an (3)escape clause, then you have a contract, and any rules are enforceable under scriptural, moral and just law even if the rules are not scriptural so long as they are not immoral. (though it is admiralty law) But lacking those 3 key ingredients the only way to enforce them is through a system of deception that requires a mind twisting exercise of mental gymnastics that forces the victim to bend natural freedom into a contracted jurisdiction, but without a contract.

This is why generally speaking Holdeman people cannot speak on scriptural subjects that go contrary to the conference understanding.





 
 
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