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Another rare Chris on Ebay

August 9 2006 at 1:00 AM
Mark Weller  (no login)




A rare Inboard Cavalier in Fiberglass only 17 foot but with that 327 it should move oh and Paul it is in your home state. Just a fair piece over in Memphis sounds like it may need heads or worse a new block. Got any SBC's laying around in the garage Paul? And it comes with a trailer.







Edit comment: the ebay auction noted expired, photos were removed, but we archived them and one is added here, the others are placed further down in this thread for the record, and to help others identify this rare boat.

Paul


    
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Tom Slayton
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That is a pretty one and a rare one too

August 9 2006, 9:44 AM 

I like the windsheild, it reminds me of the CC Gran Prix model. Wonder if they used the same glass?

Tom

 
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Mercrewser
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Nice! heres another....

August 9 2006, 10:14 AM 

Not a Commander, but an XK. Makes me rethink my not repainting stance. This has been for sale on boattrader for awhile. Really sharp.











 
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Paul
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I love the windshields on that model

August 9 2006, 10:57 AM 

Reminds me of the Jag XK 120 and 140

Paul


    
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Here are photos of Wilson's RED ROCKET

August 10 2006, 10:22 AM 

Wilson Wright, Executive Director of the CCABC, had this boat at the last two Mt. Dora shows, and it always gets a lot of looks. Few people have seen this model, and many don't even know the model exists. When they look it over closely they see lots of features that speak of value, speed, and style, and very few know it was almost sold as a Commander model along side the 19' Commander SS and the 23' Commander.





PHOTO OF THE DAY AWARD (Photo above, December 15, 2006)
Edit Comment: We're always on the hunt for information about the Commander family tree, and this model could have been called a Commander with the stroke of a pen, just like the 19' Commander Super Sport and the 23' Commander were.

The following comments were noted on December 15, 2006:

The boat that was supposed to be a 1968 Commander. This is Wilson Wright’s RED ROCKET, powered by an inboard 327Q. Wilson is the Executive Director of the Chris Craft Antique Boat Club and commented: “As for Red Rocket...I think it was illegitimate child of C.C. marketing. According to Jerry Conrad it was designed as a Commander in 1968 but never built as such..In 1969 it was marketed as a Cavalier. Cavalier cancelled the adoption and in 1970 it was marketed as a Corsair. If you look at the pictures in the Essential Guide the one in the Cavalier section for 69 is identical to the one in the Corsair section for 1970 and the descriptions are identical. Illegitimate or not, she is a nice boat, except that the red hull is hard to polish out but with a 337 230hp she'll pull up her share of skiers which is what she was in part designed to do.” This is just one more “Commander Cousin” we’ve been able to find on the Lancer/Corsair/Commander/Cavalier family tree. Although it doesn’t bear the Commander name plate, the power, construction, and many design elements are either identical or very close to some of the boats that do bear the Commander name plate.


Paul,
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The image below is the 1968 20' Grand Prix, of which only 24 were built. This boat was powered by the 300-hp 427, and one of the features of this particular boat, and the era (Century was doing this too) was the single piece curved glass windshield. This feature also showed up on the RED ROCKET !!




The fiberglass Cavalier and the wood Grand Prix were overlapping models. It was the swan song for the wood Chris Craft speedboats, and the birth of the Chris Craft fiberglass revolution. Chris Craft was on the mark, having just begun production of the fiberglass 38 Commander in 1964, and having strategically purchased Thompson Boat Company of New York, to give them a boost into the fiberglass runabout marketplace.

This boat had many of the features of the best of the traditional wood speedboat line, inboard motor, straight shaft, direct drive, fast hull, but with the added features of shapes and forms conducive to the new construction medium, and some lifting strakes and on the hull bottom.

All said and done, a very functional and stylish ski boat. No wonder Wilson named it the ROCKET. With a 230-hp Q motor, a 17'boat like this would get up and move fast. But for the stroke of a pen, we would be calling this one a Commander.

Paul


    
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I believe this was a Cortland, NY boat (better check on this detail) ( More Photos)

February 12 2007, 5:25 PM 

Here is another not-so-remote branch of the Chris Craft Commander family tree. It's the little red hair cousin we don't talk about much,

It was eventually sold as a Cavalier. It was originally intended to be called a Commander.

In any case, it's nearly flat at the transom, not very "Commander like" and it would have represented an entirely different direction for the Commander series. Here to date, the smaller Commander boats, the 19 and 23 in particular, were deep V hulls with exceptionally good seakeeping ability. This boat would have essentially "no seakeeping" ability, and would be essentially a flat water lake boat. It would be quite fast, but as you can see from these photos, that transom is nearly flat as a pancake.

The Commander that might have been? Yes, but it didn't happen. Almost in this case, remains "almost". Still an interesting branch of the Chris Craft Commander tree.











Those vents are the same vents that came out of the Corsair / Thompson / Chris Craft plant in 1966 and 67, as they're identical to the ones on my 1966 Sea Skiff.

Regards, Paul




 
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Hull comparison photos

February 12 2007, 5:53 PM 


Here is why I say this (red) boat would have been a big departure from the Commanders that preceeded it. Note the flat bottom



Here’s Mike Obrien’s (new) 1979 Chris Craft Super Sport 17 CCH09206M79C, which has a fairly respectable V hull profile, surprisingly so for a 17’ boat. This is a much newer hull, but I show it just as a 17' comparable.




Now here's a real Commander, it's Bill Policastro’s 1969 commander 23 Hull# FRBV-0002 w/ 327Q


And another real Commander, here’s Mercrewser’s 19’ Commander Super Sport


Both Commanders have a very deep V hull, making these boats (and their Lancer equivalents) some of the best riding boats of their size.

Regards, Paul

 
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John Allen
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1969 Cavalier

August 23 2006, 4:22 PM 

Hi>

I noticed you took note of the Cavalier that was just sold on ebay. We own one of them; hull #0076 of 100 built. Do you have knowledge of where others may be located? I am on a mission to see how many "survivers" of this great boat are out there.

Thanks

 
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Re: 1969 Cavalier

August 23 2006, 5:25 PM 

Hello John,

The fiberglass Cavallier is a close cousin to the Commander 23, but we don't really have any listing or data on how many still exist. The Mariners Museum or perhaps the Chris Craft Antique Boat Club might have some data. In any case, good luck on your quest, please feel free to send us a photo of your #76 and participate here on the forum. Beware, we'll have you in a Commander before long!

regards, Paul

 
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Chase
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#007

February 12 2018, 7:55 PM 

Hello,

I felt compelled to respond to this. I am currently restoring a 1969 Cavallier 17'. Mine is #007 and I have only been able to find 6 other owners so far. If anyone has resources for parts it would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you,

Chase


    
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I think you will find THIS link VERY interesting

February 13 2018, 11:22 AM 

http://www.network54.com/Forum/424840/thread/1349839570/6?p=1

There's more, let us help you with any specifics. There is no one-stop-shopping for this model happy.gif

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Great boat by the way,
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