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* Okay campers, here's one for the Lancer fans ( Lots of brochure scans ! )

May 15 2008 at 8:23 PM
Paul  (no login)

The Lancer is a very close cousin to the Chris Craft Commander. After all, the 23' Lancer and the 23' Commander share the same hull forms.

Here's some info that should give us all a bigger appreciation for this awesome Chris Craft line, especially after having seen John Kloka snag one that looks like the owner spent every evening rubbing on another layer of carnuba.


And now.............drumroll please,



here is the Lancer, as promoted in the 1966 Chris Craft lineup!
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Here's the 23' Lancer Offshore model ! ( 1971 model )
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more Lancer stuff in next post.......................

Paul


    
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1975 23' Lancer ( Brochure Scans )

May 15 2008, 8:27 PM 

Note the three Lancer models represented here, the Transdrive, Inboard, and Overnighter! How about that full canvas?









More Lancer stuff follows......................

Paul

 
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Paul
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The rare 1971 19' Lancer ( Brochure Scans )

May 15 2008, 8:30 PM 

The rare 19' Lancer ! How many of these have we seen for sale (Answer: "one").






more Lancer stuff follows..........................

Paul

 
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Paul
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The rare 1971 17' Lancer ( Brochure Scans )

May 15 2008, 8:34 PM 

Yes, they even made a 17' Lancer. Again, how many of these have we seen for sale in the last 3 or 4 years? Not any??














 
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Paul
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Ahh well...................they also made a 25' Lancer ( Brochure Scans )

May 15 2008, 8:39 PM 


I think you can sense just how close this particular model came to being called a Commander. If it were not for a stroke of the pen, this boat would have been a Commander. It is a close cousin, styled by the same guy who styled numerous Commander models, Dick Avery, and it was up to the marketing department to position the boats competitively in the marketplace. They called this one a Lancer, but could (or should) it have been badged a Commander 25?









Regards,

Paul

 
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Mark Weller
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25 Lancer

May 15 2008, 9:00 PM 

You see those twin outdrives on a 25 footer talk about a mover and a shaker that boat would really fly even with a couple of lousy v6's. A pair of twin v8's and lookout its moving and I mean fast moving.

 
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John Kloka
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I'm in on a 25

May 15 2008, 9:35 PM 

When these brochures tell you how good these boats ride, they speak the truth! I'm amazed, to say the least, and I've run (and loathed) my share of small boats! To think I might happen upon a 25 foot version makes me light headed and dizzy! That ride, combined with the extra room, yet relatively small and sporty... I'm ALL in! I might as well start looking now as it will likely be quite a while before I find one...

Kloka-NUTS!

 
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Bill P
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You're in Good Company

May 16 2008, 7:48 AM 

John I feel tha same way about the 25 Lancer. As soon as I found and closed the deal on my 23 Commander, I felt the need to search and somehow justify a 25. We are boat fanatics, nuts, obsessed. Just ask anyone's wife.
You are in great company. I am sure happy that I found this group. There is power in numbers. Boat "nuts" UNITE!

Bill P
Ghost Rider

 
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John Kloka
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Easy justification!

May 16 2008, 8:33 AM 

I can help you with explaining it to your boss, er, wife! "honey, it's just a touch bigger, you'll have more room to go potty,and it'll ride even better, (if that's even possible), plus it's still a single, so won't cost more to own and operate!

Okay, now I've got a plan, I've just got to find the boat!!

Actually, I want one so I can be the forum "picture o' the day" just one more time!


John Kloka-NUTS!!!

 
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Steve
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Eaaaaaasy

May 16 2008, 8:09 AM 

John,
Put down the mouse, turn off the computer, grab a paper bag, close your eyes and breath then hold it for 7 seconds while humming "its a beautiful day in the neighborhood" and go for a boat ride!!
You have Chriscraftitus BAAAAAAD dude! Then again thats not such a bad thing.
Steve

 
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Greg
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You went and done it!

May 16 2008, 8:07 PM 

John,

Just tell me where to mail the check. I want your 23'. No backing out now.

Greg

 
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Bill Altvater
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Are you still looking for a 25' Lancer?

October 3 2012, 3:03 PM 

I have a bare hull in restorable condition located in Maine.


    
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Craig Judge
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25' lancer

October 3 2012, 7:35 PM 

Where in Maine?

 
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Bill Altvater
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Eastport

October 3 2012, 8:28 PM 

Eastport, the undiscovered, unspoiled gem.

 
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tom Mickelson
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I have a very nice 69 25ft Lancer

November 19 2012, 5:58 PM 

Just picked up a 25' 1969 w twin 225vb outdrives. 900 hrs, runs like a top. Trying to add photos but must be doing something wrong. Cut and or copy and then paste on a Mac doesn't work. email me and I can send. I am very excited about this boat and outfitting for Lake Michigan. It spent its entire life on Lake Minnetonka in MN. I would love to chat with anyone who is interested.

Tom

 
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Paul
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Hello Terrible Tom !

November 19 2012, 6:50 PM 

Hey email those photos to me at chriscraftcommander@hotmail.com and I'll upload em for you.

In the meantime we'll give you some pointers regarding how to upload photos in the future too.


Regards,

Paul

 
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Steve
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Awesome!!

May 16 2008, 8:12 AM 

Great stuff Paul, very interesting info.
Steve

 
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Paul
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More on the 25' Lancer ( this one has twin engines )

September 28 2010, 9:55 AM 

Well I have seen one with my own two eyes and I have heard directly from Dick Avery that the 25 is a Jim Wynne hull too. Here are some photos from Bay Harbor 2010, compliments of Bill Policastro and his father-in-law, Tom.

Here are two Jim Wynne hulls with topsides by Dick Avery, a combination that is very hard to beat in this era, or anytime. This is Herb Pocklington (left) with Bill Policastro, in front of Bill's 23' Commander GHOST RIDER, with a 25' Lancer beyond.
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Not only is it a 25' Lancer with that deep V Wynne hull, it's a twin!!
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Power is from Buick V6 motors, here is the one on the port side, freshly painted.
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At 83 years old and with two new knees, we could not keep Herb Pocklington out of the boat. Here he is with Bill aboard the 25.
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Regards,

Paul











 
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Peter
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Saving original steering wheel

October 4 2011, 11:39 AM 

Hi,

great forum - lot of info to a new owner of a lancer 23 -70 restoration project.
I have an identical original steering wheel like the one above with open slots. Problem is that the center inside the hub is totally rusted to a unrecognizable lump. I have tried the dremel a little but i can't figure out how it is connected. Is it threads and nut? Straight or conical? I do like to try to save both the steering mechanism and the wheel if possible. The steering wheel is in my opinion one of the most important thing for original look don't you think?
Can anyone explain how it is connected or even better put in a close up photo.
Could also be intrested if there were any for sale.

I also have need for aluminium frame parts for repair of starboard windscreen - is this material possible to buy today?

// Peter
p.davison@telia.com

 
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Paul
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Re: Saving original steering wheel

October 4 2011, 12:01 PM 

Hello Peter, and WELCOME ABOARD!

Congratulations on your 23 Chris Craft project, these are great hulls and the performance in rough water will put a smile on your face, and you will get a lot of looks and compliments. Next thing you know Forum Regular, Dave Krugler, may not know it yet but he will be looking for one too, because he has "boatitis" very badly and a new project will help ease the pain a lot.

It is odd that you have the slotted steering wheel in a 23, but it does make sense because the 25' boats were built from 1969-1971. 85 of the 25 Sportsman hulls were built, 75 of the 25 Sports Fisherman, and 80 of the open 25 Lancer were built, so that is not a big production order for steering wheels.

Interestingly due to your post, I just noticed that the Chris Craft Essential Guide does not show ANY 23 Lancer (outdrives) built during model year 1970, 71, 72, 0r 73, but picking up again in 1974 through 1975 and this may be an error on the part of the book. They do show 123 Lancer Offshore Models built in 1970, along with 280 more in 1971 and 175 more in 1972, along with 80 Lancer Express models in 1967-1968. Apparently they were focusing on inboards in 1972-through 1974 as 405 were built in those three years, and then more onto 1977,

In any case my 1973 Lancer has the now infamous DetMar cast aluminum wheel, not as sporty as yours. Chris Craft is notorious for buying a lot of steering wheels and then just pulling from stock as long as the supply lasts. For instance, I have a 1939 Chris Craft speedboat mounted on the wall of my living room, and it has the same exact steering wheel as the 1956 17' Chris Craft Sportsman I have in the basement now, and Chris Craft even used that same steering wheel on some of the flybridge installations on Commanders produced after 1964. The cast aluminum DetMar (Detroit Marine) was used on my 1966 20' fiberglass Sea Skiff, and even on the flybridge of a 36' Commander Tournament Fisherman.

Now we can add your particular steering wheel to the mix, so thank you for pointing this obscure fact out, and good luck restoring yours. Personally I have no idea how to prise off that cover, but I would think it is probably a push in "force fit" of sorts, and once off it will reveal a large nut holding the steering wheel to the steering shaft.

As for the windshield pieces, good luck, those are truely unique extrusions that most likely are not available now, but many windshield manufacturers may have some that are similar. The mere mention of a windshield will cause me some pain, as I have run my Skiff for a few years without one happy.gif

Best of luck, send us some photos of your project when you get a chance,

Paul

 
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