|November 14 2010, 10:26 PM |
I believe the round stern light, bow light and louver vents are easily found. The lights look like Perko products to me. I bought those vents from West Marine. Taco might have the rub rail.
That's good !
|November 15 2010, 7:03 AM |
I know some of them look generic but I am hoping Perko, for instance, may well have been the OEM for CC on this boat. I'm hoping I can find this stuff for a good price, will make the restoration go much more efficient. That Skiff project for instance, had about $1000 worth of chrome on it, and when you look at the boat you don't see much chrome!
|November 15 2010, 9:05 AM |
Here are the cleats used on most of the 23' boats, Commanders, Lancers, Monte Carlo's too. They are potmetal, as are most of the pieces on these boats. Real chromed brass was left to the big Commander cruisers. Note in this rather poor camera-phone photo, how the corrosion has literally eaten down into the fastner hole area on the left side of the photo, and it looks like a crack. It's not a crack, it is corrosion and it is so bad it is of a structural nature. The Zamak or whatever the metal was at the time, did its job, it was strong enough but it lost the battle with salt water. Many of these pieces will corrode whether they are sitting in a shed in Minnesota or in a salt-water fogged marina on the East Coast. The stuff just does not last that long. For repair, for pieces less corroded than this one they can be repaired and I suppose this one could be too, by sanding, acid dipping, removal of all chrome, and then once the corrosion is all eaten out by acid, by flame soldering a layer of metal over top of the pitted area, and then carefully sanding back down to the original profile, with multiple coatings of chrome,etc. It is expensive but it can be done. I am hoping I can find these new on the shelf somewhere, as I know they must have made many thousands and I am sure there some sitting in an obscure warehouse SOMEWHERE. The task is just finding that warehouse !!
This sure looks like a dead ringer for your nose rail
|November 15 2010, 5:49 PM |
Paul I saw the note about TACO and took a look at their product line, and they have several extrusions that would do the job, and this one looks like a dead stock replacement to what you posted in your photographs.
6063-T5 alloy and temper is designed for easy tight radius bending as well as providing strength and protection. Anodized finish to protect against the harsh marine environment. Drilled and countersunk on 6" centers.
In addition they have rigid vinyl, semi-rigid vinyl, flexible vinyl, aluminum, stainless with a variety of inserts
|November 15 2010, 6:07 PM |
It is very close, not sure about the lower lip extension, will take a look tonight.
Thanks JB, good find.
Bow light dead ringer
|November 15 2010, 6:43 PM |
These are available with 12V and LED bulbs, from ten bucks to twenty five.
I am wondering if your bow light is CC OEM or if it was replaced at some point in time.
You are in luck, side vents for $29
|November 15 2010, 7:02 PM |
Wow guys, awesome ! Thanks !
|November 16 2010, 10:40 AM |
I would have never dreamed these vents were available for $29.
And that bow light too, that darn thing looks to be identical, and regarding the comment about it being a stock CC part or not is valid so I will check that one carefully.
At these prices the Lancer restoration is looking much better. I recall spending something like $800 on the Sea Skiff just doing chrome, at $50 a small piece, and when you look at the boat you really don't even SEE that much chrome.
Thanks for doing the research for me, this is great.
Bow light and cleat documentation, and "the" big dog motor too !
|November 16 2010, 3:47 PM |
Here is the bow light off my 1973 23' Lancer. It looks like it is the same light on Mike O'Brien's 23 Commander.
Also, however, I see a 23 Commander with the same light as the 19' Commander! Now the question is, "what is the proper light for the 23 Commander", and did the Lancer 23 use the same one? Also we note some other deviation in the Lancer line, interesting how we can track this so many years later.
Here is an early model 23 Lancer with aft clamshell vents instead of the AFT louvers on my 1973, and torpedo cleats. The bow light looks different than my 1973. I believe the early Lancers used torpedo cleats, clamshells aft, and perhaps a more slender light fixture. The later Lancer 23 used the cleats I'm showing in my documentation, side louvers instead of clamshell vents, and it appears the same nav light as the 23 Commander.
I recall seeing an elongated nav light design on one 23 Commander and then the shorter version like my 1973 Lancer has on another Commander. More research is needed! I like the torpedo cleats, by the way.
Here is Mike OBriens Commander and the bow light looks the same as on my 1973 23 Lancer. He also has the torpedo cleats, hmmm.
Original marketing info with torpedo cleats.
Here is Wes Stinson's 23 Commander, and it has the teadrop torpedo cleats, and what "appears" to be the same or similar light fixture up front.
OOoops what's this nav light?
Uuuuhh Ohhh it looks like it could be stock Chris Craft, here it is on a 19!
Yup, it's original equipment allright, here is Chris Smith's boat.
And more...............it is amazing what you can find in the archives.
This concludes at least one thing, the light on the 19 was as shown, and it shows up on at least one 23 Commander.
Could this be the "First Year Commander light fixture"? Time will tell.
In any case, here is the big dog going into the 23 Lancer project, by the way. You can tell because it is the
Starboard RH rotation motor, can tell because the exhaust pipe is pointing to Starboard. The motor
will be shedding a LOT of weight, by the way. Those iron exhaust manifolds and risers come off,
and the 80-pound iron intake manifold comes off and a 27-pound aluminum intake goes back on.
|This message has been edited by FEfinaticP on Nov 18, 2010 11:47 AM|
SS Bow Light Confusion
|November 16 2010, 5:17 PM |
I thought I had my SS bow light figured out but now I am not so sure. If you look at the one on the Smith boat it does not have the extended center flange/separator for the red/green that the others do. Assuming that the Smith boat is an original 1969 Commander SS was a change made in 1970 when it became the XX19? I was just about ready to go down the path of the one with the center flange but now I am not so sure. One of those things in the restoration that has driven me nuts. They must have made them in several configurations including a hole for a bow staff.
Okay here's my take on that
|November 16 2010, 6:24 PM |
Mike, I will bet you ten bucks that center piece was broken off by some kid by the name of "Mark" or one of the other Smith boys. The light on the Smith boat looks to be identical, just missing that center piece, which was probably the first thing on the boat to be broken?
Do you know if that same fixture came with and without the center flange?
If you have a light with the center flange on it, look at it to see if it might be easily damaged. Someone could have removed it too because it is a menace, not a good type of thing to have up front on a boat you are trying to handle, rather sharp looking, and not the nice round eggshell we see on some older Chris Craft woodies. Personally I don't like the design, but hey if it is original then that is what you need to go with.
Anyway, If you have it with the center flange , I would go with it.
Look here, it appears they SHOW the center flange clearly in the factory detailed drawing!
For what it's worth
|November 16 2010, 10:13 PM |
My 23 lancer is a 1969 model and the bow light looks exactly the same. (no separating partition)
|November 17 2010, 6:51 AM |
The plot thickens. Could you send a pic? Since red/green should not be seen at the same time from the sides something must separate the two. The lenses in mine are two distinct pieces. But after 40+ years who knows what changes were made.
|November 17 2010, 10:55 PM |
Side vents arrived......$28.73 each, same Attwood part number as original equipment
|November 22 2010, 11:58 AM |
...They are Attwood, with the exact same part number stamped on them as the beat-up ones that came off the boat. They are the same gauge of stainless steel, and they are from outside the country made by Attwood, or "for" Attwood under license. The finish is very good. Looking closely I can tell these were manufactured on a different spot welding machine than the originals were, but both the old ones and new ones use two points of welding contact on each side of each vent louver, the only difference is the new ones are side by side horizontally, and the old ones were side by side on a slant. They are an exact drop-in replacement to the stock 1973 Lancer inboard vent.
Since the vents are subject to damage during docking, as my originals were, the price for these "consumables" is a good one.
Beware, these same vents are being sold now for $52 (each) at some of the Chris Craft Parts houses, and there is NO difference in quality between the ones coming off my boat and these vents I just got at a cost of $28 each. One must take note about that $23 difference in price, when it comes to price shopping.
Found ORIGINAL 8" cleats for ten bucks apiece !!
|November 29 2010, 4:34 PM |
Well I have noticed some of the 23 Lancers have the torpedo cleats, and some have the Attwood cleats as shown in the photo. Mine has the Attwood and I was astounded to find these available for $10 each. Since it would cost me at least $50 each to have some of the ebay torpedo cleats chromed, I would have probably $75 each in those, and for $40 I can get all new ORIGINAL cleats for my 1973 model. Yes I think the torpedo cleats look cooler, but hey for $40 to stay original, can't beat it with a stick.
Uhhh Ohhhh, also found the same thing for $38 ( each ) !!!
|November 29 2010, 4:44 PM |
'71 Lancer 23' Offshore Bow Light
|February 27 2018, 1:36 PM |
I realize this thread is 8 years old; however, it was a helpful read for me. I am in the process of refurbishing a 1971 Lancer 23 Offshore model. Most of the metal work is pitted and must be either re-chromed or replaced. I'm doing my best to keep it all original. Thanks to ebay, I've found alot of replacement parts. The boat came with tear drop cleats (which, in some sizes, are hard to find) and the bow light shown below. This bow light has a divider between the lenses. Someone turned it around after it broke off. I've found a replacement on ebay which includes the divider. I think I will create a thread and document my search and results of the replacement of my metal work, since it differs somewhat from what I see in this thread.