CHRIS CRAFT COMMANDER FORUM ® .......A photo-intensive technical reference file and ongoing newsletter regarding the original fiberglass Chris-Craft Commander series. This is an independent not-for-profit and non-commercial web site, not affiliated with the Chris Craft Commander Club ~~ or ~~ Chris-Craft Corporation. Our mission here is to "have fun and share information" about the Commander series (and those associated fiberglass boats on the Chris-Craft family tree) for your individual personal use, and by doing so help promote the good name of Chris-Craft, and help preserve, restore, and appreciate Chris-Craft boats. The main reference feature is the ever expanding MASTER INDEX File which contains what we believe to be the world's largest collection of documentation photos and technical information on the Chris-Craft Commander line of boats, (like these original brochure scans, featuring the iconic first 38 Commander styled by Fred Hudson, and many of the great Dick Avery renditions that followed) , (a huge collection of Chris-Craft 427 tuning and specification information), and a few words about how to use the forum.

We extend to you a cordial "WELCOME ABOARD !" Come on in, make yourself at home, we are a friendly group of enthusiasts, and we also appreciate the classic Chris Craft Roamer, Corsair, and Lancer boats too , as they are all on the same family tree and share much in common ! Just start by posting a note introducing yourself to the group, that's all it takes here (we don't ask for or retain any personal information here, because our intention is to just "have fun and share information".

This forum is registered as chriscraftcommander.com

  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>  

I think I have a V-Drive converted to I/O

September 29 2017 at 9:07 AM
Marco  (no login)

Hello everybody,
I'm working on the boat.
I disassembled the ugly swim platform, quite an effort being alone and trying to undo fasteners outside while keeping the nut from rotating on the inside, many bad words wafted through the air...
I started to pull the flooring but hey what an effort!

I'm more and more convinced that this was a v-drive:
I don't know if you can pick it from my poor pictures but on both sides of the transom there are plugs printing through the paint, just where exhaust should be, about 6 inches from the side and just above waterline:
Left side:
Ng818f5h.jpg
Right side:
73o8UZ7h.jpg

My footrest has a recess where the steering column should pass to reach this:
26K5dMNh.jpg
EtwUFwGh.jpg

Sorry for my elucubrations, don't mean to bore anybody.

Have a nice day,

Marco

 
 Respond to this message   
AuthorReply

Paul
(Premier Login FEfinaticP)
Owner

Interesting forensic review of this boat

September 29 2017, 10:14 AM 

Amazing what you can find when you restore an old boat. If it could only talk.....but in a way it is !!!

Regards,
Paul
"\"\""

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

I'm used to "forensic", I always watch CSI! :-)

September 30 2017, 10:31 AM 

I really like understanding what's the story of a boat, a car or a bike... And researching is my favorite part of the restorations.
Have a nice week end,

Marco

 
 Respond to this message   
Chad
(no login)

V Drive

September 29 2017, 11:02 AM 

The V-drive extends under the rear seat bench through a hole in the bulkhead. That explains the patch that you have covering the hole. You must have one of the early V-drive XKs, as they were transitioning to the I/O. Have you found the hull # on the boat?

 
 Respond to this message   

Paul
(Premier Login FEfinaticP)
Owner

V-Drive records

September 29 2017, 11:22 AM 

Chad, we only have records for the boats built in the US, and there are no complete records for the mechanical packages shipped to Italy. Many of the boats Herb built in Italy used standard engine and transmission packages shipped from the US for installation there, and Herb was also selling motors to Riva as sell, as he grinned at dinner one evening and mentioned he was making a profit off Riva while building Chris-Craft boats (but always contended they were in different markets so there was no real competiton there). We have examples of 427 Ford and small block GM v-drive boats being built in Italy, so it seems they would install whatever motor was avaialable for the best cost, and least amount of man-hours for production, etc.

It is sad Herb is gone, we could ask these questions directly but now we just have to wonder.

regards,
Paul
"\"\""

 
 Respond to this message   

Jim
(Login 36TFisher)

Yep with Dick Avery gone too many questions will remain unanswered

October 17 2017, 6:17 PM 

I would have liked to ask him if he can recall any details of when the SS/XK models began to transition over to the transdrives and more specifically any info he knew of related to the first 15 transdrives in 1969. I wonder if Chris Smith recalls any details since he has a Super Sport? I believe he acquired it new back in the day right?

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

Not yet, where should it be?

September 29 2017, 11:29 AM 

I looked under the bow but nothing...

 
 Respond to this message   

Paul
(Premier Login FEfinaticP)
Owner

ID number location

September 29 2017, 11:39 AM 

On boats built in the US the ID number was embossed into the gelcoat on the front bow just under the rub rail several inches back on the port side.

The same number was also embossed on the starboard side several inches forward from the transom, again just under the rub rail.

If these are gone due to a previous restoration, they might still be there if you sand very lightly through the paint and filler, unless someone has sanded all the way through.

I do not know if Herb placed the ID numbers in the same manner on the Italian boats that they did here in the US, but that is where I would look very carefully.

regards,
Paul
"\"\""

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

Thanks a lot Paul

September 29 2017, 12:34 PM 

I've been lucky with paint stripper sometimes on bikes but I fear it would eat the gelcoat..


    
This message has been edited by Mardam on Sep 29, 2017 12:45 PM


 
 Respond to this message   
Paul
(no login)

Paint stripper

September 29 2017, 5:17 PM 

There is a stripper made for fiberglass

Paul

 
 Respond to this message   
Thomas
(no login)

Hull nr

October 1 2017, 6:12 AM 

Look for the hull number inside the transom on the port side, it should be glassed in there! At least it was on my 19' Lancer that was built in Italy.

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

Thanks Thomas, I'll have a look!

October 2 2017, 4:04 AM 

Have a nice day.
Marco

 
 Respond to this message   
Craig L
(no login)

Re: Not yet, where should it be?

October 5 2017, 12:42 PM 

On our XK-22 the hull code is embossed in the gelcoat just below the rubrail to the right when facing the transom. It’s also glassed into the inside of the transom port side a few inches below the top deck joint.
These were also the locations on our 23 Lancer Overnighter .
Good luck!
Craig L

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

How scarce are the chances

October 4 2017, 1:56 PM 

O finding a complete engine with v drive?
Have a great evening

 
 Respond to this message   

Paul
(Premier Login FEfinaticP)
Owner

Possible, but not good

October 4 2017, 2:25 PM 

It is possible in time and space, given a billion years or so, that a monkey will play the entire works of Scarlatti on the harpsichord without making a mistake happy.gif

Paul
"\"\""

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

Ahahahahahhahahh!!! :-)

October 4 2017, 4:30 PM 

But the 327Q came as a shaft prop too?
And paragon Vdrives are still available, am I wrong?



 
 Respond to this message   
Paul
(no login)

:-)

October 4 2017, 7:24 PM 

As far as being "available", well yes they are but i think only from recycled boats. Someone would buy pieces and put everything together but finding the whole package would sure assure you had all the right pieces and parts. I can not remember ever seeing a package like that for sale but hey, it may be out there somewhere. Even if the motor is toast, it would still be good to get the whole package so you at least have the original package. Swapping an outdrive for a v-drive sounds like converting an Aston martin from an automatic transmission to a manual 5-speed, which one would probably be better off staying with the automatic or looking for a car already fitted with the 5-speed. If you have a functional outdrive, I would sure consider running it until it broke happy.gif

Regards,
Paul

 
 Respond to this message   

Craig Judge
(Login craigjudge)

Just a far out there thought

October 4 2017, 8:32 PM 

Is it possible that this could have been some sort of factory conversion? In the classic car world I've heard of many odd things being modified for one reason or another. I recall a story about a mid sixties Corvette. The guy restoring it found "p" on the vin tag where the paint code was. There was no "p" paint code. After a lot of research he discovered that the car was special ordered through the GM COPO system(Central Office Production Order) unpainted. The "P" was for Primer.
Seeing that this boat has the Italian connection I think anything is possible. Not likely, but possible. I guess the point I'm trying to make is before you go doing a ton of modifications to what you think is correct, do a bit of research first. You could destroy a one off creation.

I can just imagine two engineers pontificating about using a trans-drive on an XK instead of the V-drive and one saying, "lets take one off the line and try it out".

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

Hello Craig

October 5 2017, 7:52 AM 

I'm moving slowly, want to understand what's gone on with the boat...
I tried to contact the agency that licensed the boat to see if they remember something and in the meantime I'm searching with the "motorizzazione civile", the organism deputed to assign license plates.
I'm writing to Chris Craft itself to see if they have a record or something.

My main concern now is to place the boat on a self built dolly. I have an engine crane, a small forklift good for 1600kg , many axle jacks. I'll post a picture of the "THING" as I finish it...

One clue for you all, it has 9 wheels...

Ciao,

Marco

 
 Respond to this message   

Marco
(Login Mardam)

You're definitely right, it's gonna be tough...

October 5 2017, 7:42 AM 

And unpredictable too...
Ciao!

Marco

 
 Respond to this message   
 
< Previous Page 1 2 Next >
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>  

Contact the Chris Craft Commander Forum
chriscraftcommander@hotmail.com

©2005, ©2006, ©2007, ©2008, ©2009, ©2010, ©2010, ©2011, ©2012, ©2013, ©2014, ©2015, ©2016, ©2017, Chris-Craft Commander Forum, Inc., ®, also known as ChrisCraftCommander.com. and the Chris Craft Commander Forum, Inc.; Information and intellectual property on this not-for-profit non-commercial site may be copied for individual personal use, but any other reproduction or use requires written approval. Any entity who mines this site for names, material, or their other commercial/financial benefit in any way is subject to copyright and intellectual property law; the integrity of this site will be aggressively protected. The material here is for individual personal use and is not to be otherwise used or reproduced. Chris Craft is a registered trademark of Chris-Craft. Neither Chris-Craft nor any subsidiaries of Chris-Craft shall bear any responsibility for the chriscraftcommander.com content, comments, or advertising. Chris-Craft Commander Forum, Inc., is independent from Chris-Craft Corporation, and not affiliated with the Chris-Craft Commander Club in any way; it is an independent educational-based not-for-profit entity that is intended to share free information and have fun. Copyright/trademark/sales mark infringements are not intended, or implied. Search Feature