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toadman's 222 CD

April 12 2008 at 6:28 PM
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look at it at your own risk!
I have already removed the center piece of the turret as I plan on mounting the guns on a floor mount add seats, gear dash, floor, grill on the back wall OH MY!

I will be taking pictures as I go

 
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Oh no!

April 12 2008, 11:10 PM 

Have I created a monster?

Chris "toadman" Hughes
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com

 
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Re: Oh no!

April 13 2008, 1:06 AM 

why yes, yes you have. One of the things MISSING from the kit are the road width bars, they are on the front box drawing but not on the front/back/side views on the back.

next is the lack of those turn signals hmmm.

also a question, in the driver seat shot,there are two control levers to the LEFT of the driver, the little silver to the right is the pump, then a 4wheel drive lever and the shift lever those are all to the right of the driver.

this IS going to slow my builds down {which is not a bad thing}

Interesting to note the handles of the wire cutters are or look to be wood. I have heard lots of debating and comments that they are make of a bakelite plastic.

on further review, I probably should not have cut the gun mount out of the turret, however it would need to be narrowed a ton!

I look forward to my painting since the outside is Dark Yellow, the inside is black or buff, and parts of the gun and turret are a German Grey oh and I always wondered what color the underside should be.....

 
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Bakelite Tool Handles

April 13 2008, 11:34 AM 

Not suprised to see the ones on the 222 have wood handles. I have read that "Bakelite handles" comment for German wire cutters as well. Makes no sense to me unless the Bakelite is over a steel tube. Bolt/wire cutters are used with a lot of force (personal experience) and Bakelite is a primitive plastic with little structural strength as compared to a proper wooden tool handle. Since I would reckon that a properly feruled and riveted wood handle would work, but not Bakelite, I don’t buy the Bakelite handles line. On the other hand I would not be surprised to see a set of these cutters with all metal handles. Any militaria collectors out there with examples to share?

Konrad

 
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Re: Bakelite Tool Handles

April 13 2008, 12:44 PM 

Wooden handles make more sense to me, and I always had the impression that they were made of wood, from photos. I would imagine it would be very uncomfortable to the user if he were cutting electrified wire with metal handled cutters.

 
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What we need is Voyager to take pity on us quarter scalers...

April 13 2008, 9:38 PM 

... and scale down this set to 1/48. Note the turret! Pleasepleasepleaseplease...



 
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Greg Hessig
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Dude...

April 13 2008, 11:59 PM 

Dude!

 
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Voyager PE turret.....

April 19 2008, 7:11 PM 

Note that the ICM SdKfz 222 kit is somewhat narrow (about 4mm total) and the best approach is to build it out of the box. The narrow body and turret will not be obvious untuil you try to do something about it, because to fix the problem, you must extensively modify or scratchbuild the hull and turret shells, a very difficult task considering there isn't a right angle joint in the thing..... My point it, that if Voyager (or Hauler, or Eduard) tried to scale down this 1/35 set, which is gorgeous, the turret would overlap the narrow hull and not fit right. It is far better to follow Dan Snelson and detail the kit as it is, unless you REALLY enjoy scratchbuilding......

 
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Bakelite handles on bolt cutters.....

April 14 2008, 12:24 AM 

In Toadman's website posting on the SdKfz 222, there is an interior shot that shows the red-brown bakelite handles on the bolt cutters. I too would suspect that there are steel cores inside these handles, but the exterior is what we model, and apparently many, if not most, of these tools had these red-brown handles.

 
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Re: Bakelite handles on bolt cutters.....

April 14 2008, 2:26 PM 

most important, BLACK does not seem to be the proper color for the handles

 
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Chris...

April 19 2008, 7:12 PM 

The CD arrived today - thanks very much. It is a beauty, and will give me a lot of info on the '222 as well as the '223 parts that are similar or the same.

 
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Toadman's 222 Disc Rocks

April 25 2008, 12:44 AM 

Finally had a chance to go through my copy and I am IMPRESSED - tons of crystal clear images from tons of angles - Chris has covered the 222 down to the screw heads and brake lines.

Really gives you an idea of how these things worked, and how complicated they were. Not sure you could add half the detail covered in this CD to a 1/48 scale model (at least and keep your sanity), but there are tons of neat details covered in this disc that you definitely can add

It will be interesting to see what the etched detail makers do for this kit.

Konrad

 
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