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Hello
As I already told here in the forum Iīm also building Gasolines new Jagdpanzer IV conversion.
Itīs a really nice and easy kit.
Here a pic after 2 days work:
As you see its nearly finished. The main body is one pice and fits perfectly Tamiyas hull.
And so there is not many work to do.
I want to build the well known KG Hansen vehicle form the Battle of the Bulge.
This vehicle was a late production and so I have to change the return rollers, because there are only 3 per side.
I cut the two in the middle of and started to rebuil the new one in the middle.
I only have to make the hole for the return roller.
For the tracks I will use some from Fruil.
For the camoflage of the vehicle I think of use a stamp to make the disc pattern.
But first I have to finish the build.
Looking at the conversion as it is shown in the photos and looking at photos of the real thing. I question the accuracy of the whole front end!
At the moment I am having ago at scratching the conversion myself. But nothing is adding up when I compare the resin conversion with the drawings and photos that I have. Do a Google search and you will see what I mean.
Hi, I didn't want to say anything, but it looks like the same issues I found doing the old Bandai Faxon conversion. There are no right angles at the inner top-most part of the fenders. The top superstructure and fenders are not "gellin'." The fenders should connect to the top superstructure.
I used a Dremel to cut the hull. It was a easy job.
As for the wrong angle, Greg and John you are right. I didnīt realize
it untill now and for now its to much work for me to do. Its possible
to rebuild the front with the help of Tamiyas hull. But for
me its to late.
btw. the missing parts are on the way to me.
So thank you Oliver, and thats the work will go on.
Dear John,
You are right for the corrections and I must redo the prototype so that it is correct.
It will take the time and I am distressed for the annoyance
Naturally, I commit to replace all models that we already sent and I ask all people having received this kit to contact me and especially to Christian for its model that permitted to reveal the problems!
Im distressed for these annoyances, but an international proverb exists (do I think?) who says:
Iit never happens to nothing to those that don't make anything!
Best regards
Olivier
Olivier, my sympathies indeed! BUT you are so absolutely correct! The law is universal. If you make anything, you must makes some mistakes on the way. Annoying I know, but it is the way of things. The only man who never made any mistakes, only managed it by making nothing at all! I know which I would prefer....Here are some more universal laws.
1. Newtons Law of Selective Gravitation. Any item dropped from any height will come to rest in a position of maximum inaccessability.
2. Isocyanate adhesive will only cure 'instantly', 21 millisconds after you wish it would stay liquid, because you realise the part is in the wrong place. This time period is known as the 'Oh, bugger' constant.
3. Conversely, Isocyanate adhesives will remain liquid indefinitely should you achieve correct alignment, and only cure when you test the joint. Applying the 'Oh, bugger' constant, the parts will thus have 21 milliseconds to move out of alignment, before the glue sets solid.
4 Perfect photographic evidence will only come to light AFTER you have studied 20 inadequate photos, made an educated guess and completed the model. The evidence WILL contradict your educated guess.
5. Law 4 is multiplied if the venture is a commercial one, and the evidence will only come to light after 120 paying customers have been supplied with the wrongly designed part.
Any others? I'm sue there are plenty.....
Tim
This message has been edited by wunwinglow from IP address 82.45.21.118 on Apr 28, 2008 5:44 PM This message has been edited by wunwinglow from IP address 82.45.21.118 on Apr 28, 2008 5:43 PM
Dear Tim,
Even though unfortunately I cannot understand to 100% all English expressions with the sense of the proverbs, I accept with you for the universal laws that all identical for all languages!
It is normal that I assume all responsibilities of my team and I always appreciate the constructive critiques with pleasure.
Best regards
Olivier
Sorry about that. But once you have done the corrections you will have the only option of doing a Jagdpanzer IV on the market.
It's becoming more apparent as I am scratching my Jagdpanzer that we will never be seeing a Jagdpanzer from Tamiya based on the Pz IVs metal hull. I always thought that it would be a given that Tamiya would do one of these one day. But its requiring a fair bit of metal to be removed from various areas of the front.
The metal hulls are OK if you don't fiddle with them, but the moment you want to do some thing different. It becomes a pain!!!!
So have fun Olivier. I will post photos of what I am up to with this conversion later, so you can see how crazy its getting!
I am very pleased to see a discussion about shape accuracy. There is however one more accuracy annoyance on the Tamiya kit that has put me off using any of the conversions that I would very much like to make; the upper rear vertical plate is far, far too shallow in depth.
I don't really know how that would work on the overall height, but if the master is to be re-done it might be worth while to add this part or simply offer an entirely new hull top.
The Tamiya Panzer IV is a deceptively good-looking kit, with the advantages of well detailed plastic parts on the metal hull running gear and the option of many variants, but the basic tank has many inaccuracies in the upper hull and turret and that would make a full hull top conversion very valuable in my opinion, as the subject is rich, varied and important and the lower hull is well made.
Ok then I will take this projekt on hold and wait untill Oliver got the new upper hull.
I think its possible to cut of the front section on my modell and replace it with
the new front section. A new start with the new hull wonīt be very practicable.
Dear Dan I make some test with the camo and send it here.
Well gang I was a little dismayed to find out the problems with the front end of the conversion, after my initial post on the Gaso-Line conversion set. Indeed there are problems, after I compared the conversion with the George Bradford plans of the tank with my trusty calipers. The problem is where does the different lengths come from, was the original bow shortened on the real item?. The chassis appears close to the drawings, it is just the front top armor plating is longer in width from the compartment to the angled bow, and shorter hatches. It is great that Oliver is standing behind his product, and will attempt to correct it. That alone is the sign of a good retailer, and everyone should support Oliver in his endeavors. Cheers, Alan Vandam
Yet again, having done this long ago I realize that my claim of the rear plate being too shallow was based on a photo of a Jagpanzer IV rear plate that may have been distorted. I will get back on this as I am having trouble finding good photos of the upper rear plate.
The other errors on the Tamiya Pz IV kit would NOT require an entire new hull top, so that should be a relief to conversion makers...
The other errors on the original kit;
-Muzzle brake that is too small.
-Driver's visor level front superstructure plate too far forward or too far back by a good 2-3mmm, I don't remember which but probably too far back. Pretty much impossible to correct, as is the Bandai.
-Turret is too long by 1.5 to 2mm, actually very easy to correct by sawing the whole turret in the middle left to right at 90°, though the arms of the shurtzen armor are a bit tricky to re-adjust.
It was probably the superstructure front that was the most serious problem. I will have to check the rear plate again as this is of more interest to conversion kits.
