(Login SvenFrisch) Registered Users from IP address 141.78.101.72
Gents,
In case you have not seen it over on ML yet. If so, I appologize for the douple posting. Here are a few pictures from the new Gaso.Line release, the SU-152 Conversion for the Tamiya KV1.
The conversion uses the lower hull from the Tamiya kit, as can be seen here.
I used the Modulation Style to paint this beast.
I would like to thank Olivier from gaso.line for the sample and Greg(orio) Hessig for his support on researching the subject.
Thanks for looking and have a good week everybody !
Cheers
Sven
This message has been edited by SvenFrisch from IP address 141.78.101.72 on Jun 2, 2008 7:56 AM
It seems to me the gun is far too slim in diameter, the muzzle brake way too small. Overall it could be ok, certainly a very interesting conversion, elliminating as it does the Tamiya kit upper glacis problem. But the gun is far too caracteristic to be scrounged from somewhere else...
Sorry I don't have an Su/ISU-152 to measure, which REALLY makes me wish we could have someone on this board who can go to Kubinka... The difference in volume in this case is so large there can be no mistake, though I would very much appreciate a dead center level profile photo of the model which would be so much more informative than the usual god's viewpoint we get.
When presenting photos of a new release it would be a useful habit to always provide at least an angle-neutral profile photo, as the wheels can always give a warning if the photo is distorted, and out-of-center perspective distortions are usually minor on such small objects if the photographer is reasonably careful.
Also this looks like an exceptionally difficult gun to scratch...
As both previous posters have said, without the measurements of both the conversion and the real thing, or at least a photo taken from a 90-degree side angle, it is impossible to say with certainty. That being the case, the muzzle brake of the SU-152 is quite distinctive and it APPEARS from these photos that the gaso.line version is too long and narrow.
I really don't want to impugn the gaso.line offering without seeing it in person and doing some measuring, but I've now had a chance to look at a number of photos (of both real vehicles and other models) and it's either a bit off or not very photogenic.
My apologies Gaston!! I get the same thing, being called Perry (or Terry, or Kerry, or Jerry) instead of Tim!! I can see from the pics below there does seem to be a 'heft' issue with the barrel. But I personally wouldn't usually attempt to build a master for such a tricky thing without at the very least a decent set of drawings, or better still some measurements from a real machine. And having been lead astray on occasion by what looked like decent drawings, or assuming that other products were OK to use as a guide, I am becoming more and more inclined to stick to my trusty tape measure and treat all other sources of information with great suspicion!
Photos can be used as a guide, but without software such as D Sculptor or PhotoModeler, I'd NEVER use a photo to extract major dimensional data; far to many possible unknown variables. But for spotting variations in proportion, obviously photos are invaluable.
Dave Reed (Login dave37167) Registered Users 68.52.83.113
Chiming in
June 6 2008, 8:36 AM
I know I've been hard on Gaston before....but his heart IS in the right place. I'm throwing a couple of observations into this.....
One, the Gasoline barrel IS...too short...too thin...and the suppressor is too thin, also. Correcting this?? Mr. Perry could 3D a replacement...but from what measurements?? The Kubinka, or any of the museums that have one, ARE the answer. Put a posting on ML, Tracklink, and tanktalk on Hyperscale. There WILL be a member that might be able to go there and actually supply measurements. At the very least...ask them to email the museum..in the native language...and ask them if they might give these basic measurements out. You would be surprised at how bored employees can become...and might relish the chance to contribute to this research project!!!!
I really want to give this conversion a shot...but the barrel is the obvious focal point and the kit's weakness. Even though I was the one that brought up the photo distortion issue...it is enough info to know it needs to be corrected.
And I want to emphasize how thankful I am that Oliver continues to supply the market with these offbeat subjects!!
Dave
I'm with the doubters on this one. That barrel definately looks too thin BUT there is something very familiar about the profile and shape of the muzzle break, and it's annoying me. Could it be the barrel from another artillery piece even a naval item?
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