As I understand it...the US 57mm is essentially the same as the Brit. 6 pounder. I think Olivier says it will build both ways.....Yes?? And if so, what are the parts that make it different??
Olivier?? Anyone?? I want to have it in British service, if I can....
TIA, Dave

barrel length and the details of the various carriages used. I haven't found a website that goes into much detail. The British also used the 57mm M1 guns; they got some 3000+ of them, identical to ours - because they couldn;t make them fast enough to meet demand. Many of the earlier 6 pdrs had shorter (L/43) barrels because they didn't have turning lathes long enough to make the designed L/50 barrel. All the US-built M1s and the later marks of the 6 pdr had the L/50 barrel. The US M1s all used the same wheels and tires used on the Dodge T214 series 3/4 ton trucks.

The GasoLine M1 57mm has wheels with an outward extended combat rim that does not look right, and I am going to rework the wheels on the two I get. Other than that, it appears to be a gem indeed. Leo Charron was looking for info on the paratroop versions, but these were British only as far as I can tell. I am cheerfully prepared to have someone direct me to the latest 300-page tome by Ian Hogg on every possible thing you never wanted to know about the British 6 pdr/57mm M1.....

the Wikipedia article on the 6 pdr. This one has the shorter L/43 barrel and civilian pattern wheels as used on the Lend Lease Dodge trucks supplied to the UK. If you google "Ordnance QF 6 pdr", you'll come up with a number of sites, but I was not able to find anything to help Leo with his search for the paratroop version.

Netdork 54 tried to execute the URL, removing it from the post, then couldn't do it, so no data at all.... OK, the URL is: >; remove the carets when pasting this into the address line.

Just go to Wiki, OK? .....(^%%(&^#$&((@@!@*).........

The obvious differences between the British and US versions was the barrel length and wheel/tire style as noted above, but the US versions also lacked the muzzle brake and had a different style towing lunett to suit US vehicles.

the Brits got a total of 4242 M1 57mm guns.....

Bruce, you referred to the paratroop version as being "British only" did you mean that only they built them or only they used them? There are photos and references (such as Mark Bando's 101st site) that point out that US airborne units used the British (Mk IV?) 6-pounder as opposed to the originally issued 57mm M1-series. The trade was done as the British airborne carriage allowed better fit into gliders (all 6-pounder/57mm were glider-borne, not parachuted). There are photos from the Normandy era of US airborne troops with guns that are clearly British.

Toadman, did I ever send you photos of the 57mm with the side armor panels? It's about 2 hours away so I can get more/better photos if you need them. I think you still have my email.

Gary

Hi Gary,
You sure did. I planned on incorporating some of them into the U.S. ATG CD whenever I got back to working on it. I'm still awaiting pics from some 57mm owners of the sight and sight mounts. Hopefully, that CD will be finished this Summer.

Chris "toadman" Hughes
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com

Dear Dave,
I will like to propose all versions of the kits that I propose, but the days only make 24 hours and I already have a lot of projects to finish, but to satisfy the "English-speakers", we are going to make a new manufacture of our Staghound with a Mk.III version armed of the cannon of 75mm.
Best regards
Olivier

Olivier, it seems a longer barrel, muzzle brake and slightly different tires...and a Brit version is a go!! I'm in for one!!
Bruce....poor.....Early Morning Bruce.....The World looks better after a few Elderberrys....maybe that's what %$&*((F)Wiki needs, ehhhhh??
Meanwhile....Tim's deep into his Se5a and maybe, the Brifit.....ain't ya Timmie-lad!!!...???

I have pics of both U.S. and British guns:
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/6pdr.htm

http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/57.htm

I have plenty more pics of 3 or 4 U.S. 57mm's as I plan on doing a CD on U.S. anti-tank guns later this Summer. Drop me a line if you need any particular pics.

I will probably obtain additional British 6-pounder pics later this Spring or Summer as well.

Chris "toadman" Hughes
http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com

SE5a turned up, btu the Brisfit is still being cleared through customs. It has taken longer for them to put a rubber stamp on it than it took DHL to fly it half way round the world...... Nice to know government workers are sticking to their old and trusted ways!

Tim

PS the SE5a is an absolutely beautiful kit.

www.fighting48th.com

URL time again..... http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/jim_caddo/6lb_walk.htm You'll find a dozen and a half shots of a preserved British 6 pdr, just what you are looking for: long barrel, muzzle brake, British wheels. Enjoy, my son.....

Wonder how grossly wrong a muzzle brake from a Cromwell kit would be.....graft a turned barrel(whose?), the muzzle brake...ignore the wheels(?), and call it a day?? Hmmmmmm.....

Bruce, you referred to the paratroop version as being "British only" did you mean that only they built them or only they used them? There are photos and references (such as Mark Bando's 101st site) that point out that US airborne units used the British (Mk IV?) 6-pounder as opposed to the originally issued 57mm M1-series. The trade was done as the British airborne carriage allowed better fit into gliders (all 6-pounder/57mm were glider-borne, not parachuted). There are photos from the Normandy era of US airborne troops with guns that are clearly British.

Toadman, did I ever send you photos of the 57mm with the side armor panels? It's about 2 hours away so I can get more/better photos if you need them. I think you still have my email.

Gary

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...but where to get those "tyres"?

... like at Villers-Bocage. Yikes!