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Excuse my ignorance re German camouflage, but

June 16 2009 at 6:52 AM
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does anyone know (I`m sure at least one of you does)the origins of why the Germans chose the 3 colour scheme in 1943. What I`m really asking is, why `dark' yellow? In a corn field without the other 2 colours; a brilliant camouflage scheme. Other scenarios, I find difficult to conjure up. Not that I`m complaining. It`s great for us, but I don`t think the German High Command had us in mind!

 
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Re: Excuse my ignorance re German camouflage, but

June 16 2009, 12:15 PM 

There were some photos somewhere of a 1/6 Jagdpanther in just dark yellow out in nature, and it does work surprisingly well. The colour is quite muted and just blends in well with the natural light. After all, they have to be some colour, so why not yellow? The three-clour scheme is very useful at breaking up the outline of the tank, which is what you really want to do.

 
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In a sense, they were returning to their roots.....

June 16 2009, 8:36 PM 

Multi color schemes had been used in WW1, an earth or gray base, a medium-dark green, and a red-brown. The Reichswehr used a similar scheme for combat and tactical support vehicles from 1921 to 1933, consisting of an earth-yellow, a dark green, and a dark brown. The new Nazi government and the military that came with it changed the camouflage system based on the idea of concealment while in bivouac or preparing to engage. The colors chosen were a very dark gray and a chocolate brown, with the gray to cover roughly 2/3 of a vehicle and the chocolate brown to cover the remaining 1/3. In 1940, the chocolate brown was eliminated, leaving only the dark gray.

The idea behind the dark gray and chocolate brown was that the dark colors would blend in with the shadows of buildings and trees as the vehicles were parked in woods or towns to hide them from aerial observation. Unfortunately, the dark colors were generally a poor camouflage when actually in action, especially in open country. In 1941, the dispatch of the DAK to Africa pointed out the inadequacy of dark colors in a desert environment, forcing the Germans to use local mud paste as an expedient, and then adopt a new color palette for the desert campaign.

THe first desert colors were lighter, but didn't match the pinkish color of the African sand, so a second set of colors was adopted in 1942, though apparently they were not used that widely. Certainly, equipment delivered late in 1942 and early 1943 was still being painted in the 1941 early desert colors. Late vehicles in Africa were painted in the final color scheme, officially adopted in early 1943, but apparently some paints were available before then, in late 1942.

The final German camouflage system went back to the Reichswehr three-color scheme of an earth color with two modifying colors to be used over it to adapt the colors to the local situation. Those colors were dark yellow, olive green, and red-brown. The idea was that the dark yellow (earth color) would be used as the base and the olive green and red-brown would be used to modify the camouflage to conceal the vehicles better.

Later in the war, the base coat for armored vehicles changed from dark yellow to olive green and then later in an apparent attempt to darken the vehicles to make them less obvious to enemy aircraft. At one point, it was forbidden to ship dark yellow vehicles by rail because they were so visible in transit. Note that the base colors for armored vehicles were applied by the armor fabricating firms, not the assembly plants, though the latter would touch up damaged paint schemes. Fom here on in, it gets really complicated.....happy.gif

 
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3 colour camouflage

June 17 2009, 3:26 AM 

Bruce,

interesting. Do you know if any vehicles were sent to Africa in 1943 with the European dark yellow?

 
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I would be surprised if.....

June 17 2009, 10:55 AM 

some of the last shipments of vehicles did NOT include some in Dark Yellow. The color itself was available before the Feb 1943 order for the new color scheme. But again, the Germans were still painting new vehicles in the first 1941 colors in late 1942, which is why Tom Jentz feels the 1942 colors of RAL 8020 Braun and RAL 7027 Grau were perhaps not commonly used. Too bad, because RAL 8020 Braun is a much better match for the pinkish sand found in the Western Desert of Egypt and Libya. There apparently was not a whole lot of really yellowish sand in North Africa. Tunisia turned out to be practically temperate, and much of it was covered in spring grass.

 
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