This is a forum for students in the Virginia Woolf Seminar at Columbia College of Chicago. The seminar will meet on Thursday afternoons from 2:00 until 4:50 throughout spring semester (February through the first week of June 2000). The forum is a place where students can post comments and questions, respond to assignments, suggest ideas and links, and interact with one another between classes. The only rule is that we are all part of a positive learning environment, and all of our comments will be helpful in nature.
Was Woolf a Racist?byHello, I am doing some research into the role of racism/fascism in early feminism. I have some quotes from Woolf's diaries showing a hatred of black people and the mentally handicapped. I understand she was also an anti semite. Can anyone point me in the direction of quotes revealing this? Thanks. |
BOOby BOOJASON GROOM SUCKS BIG DICK. HE DID IT FOR ME YESTERDAY AND I CUMMED A GALLON INTO HIS UGLY MOUTH |
Jacob's RoombyEnjoyed this book but somehow misplaced Jacob between the last page and the next to the last page. What did I miss? What happened to Jacob? |
Re: Jacob's Roomby BobJaaaa I tink so to. |
advance notice of one final exam questionbyI indicated in our last class what some of the likely questions or sources of questions for the final exam would be. The exam will emphasize *Mrs. Dalloway, To the Lighthouse*, and *The Waves*. Most questions will have short answers. The following is the longest question with the longest answer. You can be thinking about it ahead of time if you wish. The final will be open book, open notes. Part Three. Short essay. about 1-2 pages. "Are there stories?" Can stories any longer have anything to do with any notion of "truth" in a world where all truths are subject to question, and belief in "reality" or absolutes is nearly impossible? In my notes on section 7 of The Waves, I wrote the following: "187 Bernard begins to doubt the stories. This is very important. He refers to stories in the context of "truth" and the image of the crucifix. He has just thought of how Neville once "raged at the sight of the doctor's crucifix"--implying Neville's anger at the intrusion of a powerful religious belief into the quest for truth. Bernard "at once make up a story and so obliterate the angles of the crucifix." Here Bernard expresses a causal relation that is worth examining closely, because it indicates the nature of the shift from his youthful idealism about stories and language and his current disillusionment with the power of stories, of language. At one time Bernard believed that he could "obliterate the angles of the crucifix"--that, is, soften the harsh impact of intrusive, oppressive systems of dogma--through his ability to tell stories. Just as he once consoled Susan through chasing after her and distracting her with the childhood game they played at Elvedon, so through his stories he could distract Neville from his rage at organized religion (specifically, the quasi-Catholic strains of the High Episcopal Church). But now, Bernard has lost his faith--not his religious faith, but his faith in writing, which is just as important. He tells us that what made it possible for him to fill so many notebooks all his life and to make up thousands of stories was his belief that one day he would indeed tell "the true story, the one story to which all these phrases refer. But I have never yet found that story. And I begin to ask, Are there stories?" This is a significant moment in the book, and something to keep in mind especially as you read p. 218 in section eight, and all of section nine, Bernard's final soliloquy." Consider the question of whether or not stories can be told, whether or not narrative meaning is still possible, in the world fragmented and rivened by the mass destruction of world wars, by the persistence of oppression despite postcolonial consciousness of it, and the modern/postmodern doubt of the meaninglessness of all that was once held sacred. If there are no longer any absolute truths provable by scientific inquiry or available through religious belief, then why indeed tell stories? What is the value of stories, of art, in Woolf's modern landscape (and in our own postmodern world)? Discuss how section 9 of The Waves either affirms or negates the reader's desire to believe in the value of stories (novels; meaning) and discuss one other Woolf novel that you think affirms or negates a belief in the power of stories. Write approximately 1-2 pages in response to this topic. Fragments & paraphrase OK. Make specific references to events, characters, statements and be sure that I understand what point you are making with your evidence. |
check out interactive online essay by Jason on Jacob's Room!byJason built his own set of web pages for our site--and I think everyone will find the essay well worth reading. Go to: http://acweb.colum.edu/departments/english/eng2/woolf/groom/index.html |
class location; new pages on The WavesbyHello everyone. We will meet next Thursday, May 25, in room 416 of the Wabash building. Be prepared to speak to the class about your seminar paper (your main ideas, anything you care to share with us; this is your chance to help "teach" the class), and turn in the revised seminar paper to me at class time. I have some new pages on The Waves on the website--in particular, detailed notes on section seven. As soon as others post their notes here or email them to me, I'll add them. Carissa, Niki, Elizabeth, and Greg still need to post or email their notes. I am looking forward to your presentations next Thursday. Please email me if you have any questions. |
Come and see Tara's watercolor in response to The Waves!!!byTuesday May 23, 5:00-7:00 p.m. in the Writing Center--come to the English Dept./Writing Center Art Show, Open House, Performance/Showcase night. We'll have food and fun. Tara's watercolor titled "The Waves" is a MUST-SEE!!!! The show will stay up until graduation, so if you can't make the opening, stop by when you can. As you head toward the back of the Writing Center, Tara's watercolor is on your left, before you get to the computer lab. |
"The Waves" Watercolor by Tara Lutherby Karen![]() |
Notes (pp 29-72) The Wavesby Tara Luther29 The sun rises higher. It trasforms rocks, edges etc.. 30 Bernard hides true emotions as he leaves home."I must not cry. I must behold them indifferently. He is more comfortable with superficial emotions. 32- He feels the head master's words are "too hearty to be true." 32-33 Susan hates school. "All here is false." Rhoda has settled into any personality that she feels comfortable. "I am nobody I have no face." 34 Jinny is self involved. The students attend chapel. Louis says, "We put off our distinctions as we enter." He sees authority in the preacher, and respects it. Neville feels the preacher lacks imagination and finds coldness and lack of imagination in their words. "The words of authority are corrupted by those who speak them." Neville observes Percival. "He is removed from us all in a pagan universe. But look- he flicks his hand to the back of his neck.For such gesters one falls hopelesslt in love for a lifetime." 36 Bernard discusses his book where he will keep his collection of phrases. Bernard tells stories he believes everyone is a story. Bernard says "Yes for when he talks, when he makes foolish comparisons, a lightness comes over one. One floats too, as if he were that bubble; one is freed..." More to come. |
notes continuedby Tara Luther40 Susan, the daughter of a clergyman does not pray. 41 Jinny constantly dances and seeks attention. Susan loves no one except her father. 42 Jinny does not dream 43 Rhoda copies other to see what they do how they react to things. She says, "I have no face." Rhoda preffers Susans character to Jinny's. "For she is resolute, and less ambitious of dstinction than Jinny." "Jinny has her own knowledge but keeps it to herself." Rhoda is rocked and tormented by her own emotions. 44 "I often die pierced with arrows to win their tears." 45 Rhoda dreams. 48-49 Percival is atheletic, while Neville is weakly and uninterested in the competition outside of his questionable interest in Percival. Neville says, "I shall be a clinger to the outsides of words all my life." Bernard is late to cricket, he's often late. He is forgiven because he tells stories. 49 More bubble imagery associated with Bernard. 51 Bernard's stories amuse Neville yet, they make him feel very alone. He feels that Bernard's understanding is "sypathetic" perhaps as opposed to empathetic. "Louis is too cold, too universal." Neville cannot express his feelings about Percival. 54 Susan's true desire "I want to give, to be given and solitude in which to unfold my possessions." 55 Jinny says "I shall not let myself be attachted to one person only...I have not yet broken into my hoard." Rhoda has difficulty letting her tree grow. (dreams). Her dreams offer her no comfort. 57 School is coming to an end, each reflects. Neville fears Percival will forget him. 64 reference to Jinny's hoard of life. Rhoda's identity fails her. 65 Louis will "go vaguely, to make money vaguely." 66 All boast except Neville. 67 Bernard observes louis and neville as feelin "the presence of other people as a separating wall." He does not believe in separation. 68 Bernard makes phrases and connects people. He is not much for reflection. He requires concrete things. He recognizes in the Louis and Neville "an exactitude that I admire and shall never possess." 70 Neville says of Bernard "He tells our story with extraordinary understanding, except of what we most feel. Neville is 18 and filled with bitterness. 72 He does not "anticipate what is to come." |
thanks TarabyThanks Tara--both postings are now on the web page for The Waves. I hope everyone gets a chance to read them before class. http://acweb.colum.edu/departments/english/eng2/woolf/waves/waves.html |
The Waves chapter 3byThe Waves pages 75-105 In this chapter all the male characters are in college building their adult characters: Page 77 Bernard, "But you understand, you, myself, who always comes at a call" Analyzing their own identity, and at least with Bernard, understanding that this exploration is a product of youth and then of intelligence. Neville is described as "too complex to be roused by any single activity" Bernard is also too complex but floating unattached, not complete. Page 81 Bernard asks himself the final question and decides he will "bang through life" and having a Mrs. Moffat to come clean it up. Neville decides to live in the present, "why discriminate" to look and describe the present. To be the poet, mixed with Bernard, to ask, "Who am I?" As the conversation between Bernard and Neville continues, some actual spoken words, some reverie. Pages 84-85 Benard feels Neville’s disapproval and successfully charms him into a happier state of mind by discussing Percials sloppiness – to contrast his own minds sloppiness. He asks Neville "to let me create you" , you want to be a poet but your splendid clarity and honesty bring that idea to a halt. "You indulge in no mystifications" Page 86 "masters of tranquility and order; inheritors of proud tradition" – what Neville admires. Page 87 Bernard goes through life models and mentors to the point that he will be unrecognizable to Neville some day and he will drop him. Page 88 – hint to VW "follow the curve of a sentence wherever it might lead, into deserts, under drifts of sand …" Neville and Bernard becoming whole "rather be loved than famous" Taking the measure of themselves through each other and working past it to recognition of self. Louis Page 93 "I am an average Englishman; I am an average clerk" Page 95 sees the others as aimless and not aware of it – all the dreaming all the talk? The woman are all at home – sort of an alien idea. Dreaming of what they want out of life, a house, husband children maids. Not really considering self but self in the whole fabric. Susan page 97 – 98 Education as useless dreams of laying in the field meeting the man of her dreams, " To his one word I shall answer my one word" – shades of Orlando Jinny the city girl page 100 "How strange…there are no lights in any of these houses" dreaming of the home things HOW STRANGE INDEED He is here he is melancholy and romantic and she is defined by him in the view of society. She sees many and are defined each time hoping he will be the one to define her because they are all she has? The old men and old woman have nothing in common with her and from her peers, "I feel the drawn swords of an honorable antagonism" page 104 Page 105 Rhoda also defined by men or her ability to get one. But in terror, seems to define herself through Jinny and Susan but also seems the only woman that looks at being the foam the ribbon of weed not the WIFE. |
thanks NikibyThanks Niki! I'll update the Waves page with these notes tomorrow. I look forward to your seminar presentation. You offer an interesting comment here about Rhoda and the foam and the weed. Hope we can get more discussion going here. |
Section 5 p.148-164by Carissa-This is the section where Percival dies -Neville finds out of Percival's death by telegram,"He is dead..." p.151 -"Women shuffle past..." He questions why and also feels alone, solitary. He also questions if someone had just done one thing, tighten the strap, Percival would still be there.p.151 -Neville describes his grief as pain, "Come,pain,feed on me..." p.152 -''Such is the incomprehensible combination..." Bernard is confused on how to feel, joy for the birth of his son, or sorrow because Persival is dead.p.152 -Bernard knows that all he needs now is to be alone and in silence.p.153 -He goes out"This is the world that Percival sees no longer."p.153 -Bernard realizes that one cannot escape living in society."One cannot live outside the machine..."p.154 -"Lines and colours..." he realizes that Percival was his opposite, his other half. p.156 -He begins to tire from being out side the machine,"I am yawning..." He also analizes suffering, his own and others. Desides to go to Jinny.p158 -Rhoda needs something to hold on to, to ground her.p158-9 -She analizes how vile and hideous her surroundings and people are, and is sick of prettiness and privacy. p.159 -"Percival, by his death..." her realization.p.160 -"This is Oxford Street..." She considers how and what Louis, Bernard, Jinny, Susan, and Neville are doing. p. 160-1 -Using shapes to descibe things seen.p.163-4 -"Now I will reliquish;how I will let loose." Freedom.p164 |
May 11 eventbyOn Thursday, May 11 (next week), we will have a very exciting special event. Pauline Brailsford of the Theater Dept. and Caroline Dodge Latta, Academic Dean (and formerly of the Theater Dept.) will perform a staged reading from letters exchanged between Virginia Woolf and Victoria OCampo. Pauline Brailsford's voice class will be joining us. Also, please feel free to invite your friends or anyone who may be interested. I'm announing this early to give you plenty of time to spread the word. |
Don't miss it!byNo voice class will be joining us. That was a bogus piece of information I was given. But others from other other classes will be joining us. I expect every single member of our class to be there Thurs. May 11!!! |
Waves page; Bloomsbury pagebyCheck out the new pages on The Waves and one with a couple of my very old slides of 46 Gordon Square. Sorry about the quality of the slides. You might find my close reading notes on the first section of The Waves helpful in getting your bearings. Who would like to email me their own reading notes or commentary on later sections of the Waves to add to the Waves page? |
Waves page updated May 3 2000 thanks to JasonbyCheck out Jason's notes on section four of The Waves. I'll be asking for more volunteers to email me their reading notes on other sections. Niki and Tara are doing sections 2 and 3. How about volunteers for five, six, and seven--Elizabeth, Greg, and Carissa? Tell me which ones you want in class May 4. |
Tara's notes addedbyThe Waves page has been updated with both Tara's and Jason's notes. Hope everyone reads them before class. Let's see what comments people have. http://acweb.colum.edu/departments/english/eng2/woolf/waves/waves.html |
try out paper drafts, ideas here in the forumbyIf you're working on drafts or just want to try out some of your thoughts in your paper, the forum can be a good place to do that. Be sure to copy and paste the text of your message into a word document (or print) before posting (to avoid any loss of data in case there is some trouble posting) and always check the "send responses to" your email address box. Jason seems to be trying out an idea or two in a couple of his responses. I'd like to see everyone becoming more active and making the forum work for you, so that you can get feedback as you draft the paper. |
Orlando pagebyCheck out the new Orlando page I put up. No frills this time, just a lot of notes on the text pertinent to the theme of writing/bio/fiction etc. This is a much longer, more detailed version, extending through chapters five and six, further developing the little handout you got in class. http://members.xoom.com/kosborne/woolf/orlando/index.html |
The Hostessby Tara Luther I, being a hostess myself, quite enjoyed Woolf's passage on the hostess. Every one of her books to this point, with the exception of Jacob's Room deals with the idea of a hostess that brings general harmony to a group of people. She sees the subtle hidden things in people. By recognizing these qualities she, like Mrs. Ramsay, make people feel all the more recognized and understood. It is an illusion, but all of life and literature are illusions that bring the core, the soul to harmony, through a variety of perceptions. The hostess recognizes the reality that is appropriate for the individual and then she weaves her magic. |
great responsebyThanks for posting this thoughtful response, Tara. As you can see from the Orlando page and elsewhere, the notion of what it means to be a hostess is indeed a recurring motif. Your comment also prompts another question. Do you find that your work as a hostess is trivialized or underappreciated by others? And as both a painter and a hostess, do you find people tend to see you as both, or do people tend to know only you primarily through one or the other of these aspects? |
A note on biographybyJust wanted to make a little response (since it's probably high time I've done so) about the form of the novel Orlando. By choosing to make it a "biography", Woolf is a little limited in her style. She accomplishes a lot to make the reader less shocked by Orlando's transformation into a woman by adding touches of fantasy such as the great frost and Orlando's unusual sleep patterns. By the time Orlando becomes a woman the reader takes this in stride. (That section of the novel, also, is a pretty biting scene with Woolf jabbing the mores of the day concerning lesbian love with the 'three sisters' chanting "Hide deeper, fearful Truth. For you flaunt in the brutal gaze of the sun things that were better unknown and undone; you unveil the shameful; the dark you make clear. Hide! Hide! Hide!" It is impossible not to read a sort of 'coming out' in that passage...) Of course this novel differs from a proper "biography" by not being consistent with factual information (Woolf, nor any biographer, could really get into the mind of their subject as thoroughly as here) but that's all just part of the tongue-in-cheek humor of the book (especially fun is the little Index at the end). You definitely get the feel that this is really one of Woolf's more personal books (despite what it appears at first), yet far more fun-loving than any of the previous ones. A nice little valentine to Vita (whose relationship with Woolf really warrants a closer look alongside the book itself.) |
Personal HumorbyOrlando cuts to the quick of Woolf's life as much as any of her work. Like you said about the tongue and cheek humor, it is one her more personal books. What I liked about the humor of it is how this destroys the Conventional Wisdom that surrounds Woolf. In most reading circles that have read little of Virginiag Woolf's work there is a belief that she was nothing more than dark and brooding. To the Lighthouse, Mrs. Dalloway, and Jacob's Room all deal with hevavy emotions and brutal realities. If this is all you read of Woolf and only know that she commited suicide to are bound to see her as a dark creature. Buit with Orlando we are privy to something that she seemed to keep even more private than her saddness, that is her happiness and humor. |
humor indeedbyWoolf had a very sharp wit, and many diary entries, essays, and letters demonstrate this. (And I'd argue that there is humor even in some of the other novels we've read.) I'm glad you and Greg are enjoying Orlando. Everyone seems to think it was just right to read at this time in the semester. Check out the new Orlando page I put on the website, commenting on textual passages relating to only one of the several themes we discussed in class last week--writing, writing biography, and writing fiction. For those who saw the earlier handout in class last week, you might want to check out the web page, because I've added a lot more from my notes. |
Augustus CarmichaelbyDescribe Augustus Carmichael's character. Are there any ironies associated with his character? Were you surprised that he became a successful poet? How do you think of him in relation to Lily Briscoe? To Mr. Ramsay? (Not only in the dinner scene, where Mr. Carmichael evokes Mr. Ramsay's anger merely by asking for more soup, but elsewhere as well.) To Mrs. Ramsay? (She is a bit hurt, for example, that he seems to be beyond her influence in "The Window" section). To the children? How would the novel be different without him? How does his presence in the novel make us think differently about things? Raise questions? Draw attention to consistencies and inconsistencies? ETc. |
Lily BriscoebyLet's see what comments people have about Lily Briscoe's role in the novel. She is an orphan, and she takes on something like the role of the daughter to Mrs. Ramsay. She is able to see Mrs. Ramsay's flaws as well as her beauty. She also can almost read Mrs. Ramsay's mind. Jane Lilienfeld discusses Lily's relationship with Mrs. Ramsay as something like the relationship with the Great and Terrible Mother (perhaps a parallel to James and his Oedipal conflict with Mr. Ramsay?). Lily sees Mrs. Ramsay's domination of others, her modeling of her own marriage as an example to Minta Doyle and her pushing Paul Rayley toward Minta as a kind of "sacrifice" of the couple on the altar of marraige. Lily resists Mrs. Ramsay's desire to see Lily marry William Bankes, even though in the "Lighthouse" section of the novel Lily says she loves William Bankes. They have become great friends, but they have not married. Lily is an artist, yet her painting might simply wind up in an attic somewhere. At several points in the novel, we read about Lily's theory of art. What would you say is her theory of art? What are your reactions to Lily, and what do you think is her importance to the novel? |
I love LilybyLily paints space. The space she needs to be a happy, whole person and artist. She sees the outline of the space and the individual, as in her portrayal of Mrs. Ramsey and James... Mrs Ramsey reduced to a purple shadow without irreverence ...Lily is ruled by intuition in her painting and has a strong intuitive sense of people. She feels people but understands that it is only what she intuits, that people show masks and must be understood by their actions. She loves Mr. Banks because he shares some of the same sensibilities. Mr. Banks has his work and Lily has hers even if it does end up in the attic it is more important to do the work than work endlessley on trifles. |
lily and the impressionistsbyI like the comment about space. What I saw with lily's work was the drive to express the world that she saw. She constantly fights both the Tansley's in the world that tell her a woman can not paint and the practical Mr. Ramsay's that are always dulling the colors and defining the lines. She does not see the scientific catagorized dull world. What this seems to point out to me with her(Woolf's) use of religious imagery is that Lily stands for the feminine side of spirituallity. This looks like Woolf trying to show her own value to a world that did not see her or her work as of consequence. She shows that female strength (different from the masculine concept) and the female artist is not only of interest but of vital importance to the rounded growth of society. She shows a evolving world in the house that needs both the Tansleys and the Mr. Ramsays but also the Lily Briscoes and the Mrs. Ramsays as well as the Mintas and the Agustus Carmichaels. |
more on Tansley, Lily, Mrs. Dalloway, Orlando, etc.byYou and Niki have another great discussion going here, Jason. If anyone wants to write about Lily, your comments suggest an approach to start with. Those interested in this question of the masculine and feminine aesthetic might want to look at Showalter et al on Room of One's Own (see Room page), as well as Toril Moi's 1985 essay on Woolf, Pamela Caughie's 1991 book, and, more recently, Jane Goldman's work from 1998. Some critics tend to take a view similar to the one you articulate here. Some question whether Woolf's supposedly "androgynous" vision was really a kind of sex-neutral vision of the artist or whether it was more female-centered. Some critics ask us to question these very binaries such as masculine/feminine. Also, when we look at Charles Tansley, on the one hand he is very sexist, saying that women can't paint or write, yet on the other, he is someone who grew up in poverty and has difficulty feeling comfortable among the privileged leisure class. Tansley makes us uncomfortable, as he does Lily Briscoe. The text also provokes discomfort as we question the blindness of the privileged toward the origins of Tansley (as well as the ridicule for his appearance and his "little" atheism etc). Another way to explore Tansley and Lily would be in Tansley's "little" atheism (an atheistic stance borne of class resentment perhaps rather than keen philosophical or religious questioning)and in Lily's aesthetic. Lily finds something in her painting--not religion, but perhaps, as you say, something spiritual. Tansley marries and winds up making public addresses where he lectures people on what they should do, and Lily finds his self-righteousness laughable. Do Lily's reactions to Tansley in "The Window" and in "The Lighthouse" echo Mrs. Dalloway's reactions to Miss Kilman, another reformer, or Bradshaw? ("Conversion" links them.) Does Tansley seem at all like those gypsies in Orlando who would kill Orlando because they suspect that s/he does not share their beliefs? (Another example of the "Conversion" problem.) I wonder what other people in the class think about this running thread in Woolf's work. |
lilly,clarissa and orlandoby Tara LutherWoolf, it appears to me does repeat a theme in a certain character type. I suppose it is most about searching with a loose grip, and the constant social pressure to take a firm stand, or be considered a chameleon. Lily does this chameleon act least sucessfully because we watch her process of surrender on a personal basis, while Orlando's very character flows smoothly as the personification of surrender. There is little mention of any social problems aside from her property rights. Clarissa is the perfect medium between the two. She is not coming into surrender, nor has she become it. She just is, and while Ms. Kilman, the gypsies, and Mr. Tansely loom with their tighter version of the way things should be she functions peacefully taking into ecount her failures in personal relationships as well as her general ability to bring joy to others. I'm struck by the fact that the three are all given such different time frames to generate the same theme. |
Woolf and HitchcockbyI like the connection you made between Lily Clarrissa and Orlando. Though I never thought of it, as soon as you brought it up I was instantly there with you. But the connection that I see is this: Alfred Hitchcock was infamous for putting himself in his own movies as some small passerby. It was a joke that he had with the audience a way for him to play the game that writers have been doing for quite sometime. By stepping in front of the camera he turned the mirror on himself. These three characters are Woolf doing this same thing. Each of the characters seemed to be dealing with themes and struggles very similar to what Woolf was dealing with personally. They all are trapped ing the space between creativity and society's norm. With Clarrisa she is fighting between choices and satisfied with what she has chosen (the role of mother and hostess), with Lily she sees the otherside of her choice and is equally happy if for different reasons. Then there is Orlando. Imagine for a moment the mind of Woolf. She is fighting with the two major themes in her life, Art and Social standing. Thay see-saw back and forth, sometimes the Art winning, sometimes Society. She has already tried to paint what it would be like to be one or the other; what it would be like to be a Socialite, and what it would be like to be an Artist. So she sits down at her desk (in a room of her own) and starts to think. Well why is it that I have to have one or the other? Is it not possible to have both, to be both? Well of course she can, she's a writer. Orlando is both Socialite and Artist, Man and Woman, Mother, Father, Lover, Killer. She is trying to paint a world and form for herselfwhere she can balance those aspects that she finds within herself. |
let's see other people thinking out loud like this, developing ideasbyGood response, Jason, and you are showing how one can use the forum to develop ideas for papers, perhaps. I would caution against a too neat contrast between society and art, and I might suggest that the term "socialite" is not quite what you want in your paper to describe the desire for human connection in Woolf. Instead of social standing perhaps the term you'd find useful is conformity or conventionality. This pressure to conform or to appear conventional is manifested in many ways, as her novels show. To be a pacifist (as Woolf mostly was) is one aspect of resistance to conventional pressures. To question gender identity is another. To question religion another. To marry a Jew, another. In the novels, however, there is not a neat division between seeking social interaction with others and seeking the solitude necessary for one's art. Even Lily Briscoe, the solitary artist, who chooses not to marry, enjoys visiting the Ramsays, where interaction with others is a large part of the experience. Indeed, she derives much from this experience. Her love for Mrs. Ramsay is very important (not just in the Demeter/Persephone et al sense) but in the connection with persons different from ourselves. Lily recognizes in Mrs. Ramsay a gift, a genius, that Lily understands is not something that can be reduced to simple cliches about mothering. Clarissa and the notion of "hostess" (see my web page on Orlando for more about this term) also complicates this. Woolf and her friends were very much influenced by theories of art as connected to life, by the notion that they could create an artistic life and live artfully. Also note the voluminous letter-writing, many social activities, etc. And finally, consider the lighthouse itself. It's a beacon swinging round; the light comes, then goes. And it includes everything in its path. So it's not only a masculine image, but also a feminine one. I'm just trying to shake up some of these binary oppositions a bit, hoping to get you to trouble them a bit more in your paper. |
booby boojason groom is a fucking teacher's pet and we all hope he dies. i hate you jason |
connectionsbyI couldn't agree more with both Jason and Tara. The synthesis of VW's life into her work is the goal of all great art. Always making the connection and creating the flow of ideas until the line blurs between art and life. I was also under the misconception that VW's work was dark and gloomy. Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf has taken on new meaning in this seminar. Her sense of humor is as refined as her writing, another synthesis and a wonderful attribute to have as an artist or a person. The ability to make fun of yourself. Although VW is a bit over critical of herself and her work, perhaps another attribute to creating great art. Sideline: I am finding The Waves a bit more difficult after the romp of Orlando, although its early in the story still. Looking for the connections mentioned by Jason and Tara and not finding them yet. More poetry than prose. See you in 10 minutes. |
go, Tara!byGood response, although I might want to remind us about the gipsies (that's how it's spelled in the novel and I keep wanting to type gypsies) because of how shocking it was when they decided they might have to kill Orlando because she believed something different. Up until that point, she had found a refuge from confining sex roles and national identities. Gypsies run counter to all kinds of social/political/gender etc. confinement, yet even here, even among the relatively free world of the gipsies/gypsies, Orlando encounters the dreaded human desire to make others believe as we do. Supposedly, in Orlando, this tension is resolved in the marriage to Bonthrop (Shel), because each finds enough of the same sex in the other (or, from the delightfully perverse reading, because it's really a marriage of convenience, allowing for freedom for each. . .) |
link to recording of Manhattan Woolf eventbyOn March 9 2000, there was an evening celebrating Woolf sponsored by the PEN American Center. Prominent writers and critics, including Michael Cunningham, Susan Sontag, Elaine Showalter, Cynthia Ozick and many others participated (Fiona Shaw also reads). The New York Times posted an audiorecording of the event. I have updated this message because after the first day or so, the old link did not work. Now you must go to the New York Times website and register (no charge) and then click on "Books" and then you should be able to go to the recording (also available in parts. Try going to the books section directly at http://www.nytimes.com/books/ . From there, click on "Specials/audio" in the left hand column (especially if they don't still have the Woolf photo and article listed on the left) and you should go to a page taking you to the recordings. Enjoy. |
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