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Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011 at 3:39 PM
karinNJ  (no login)

Hi, everybody! I watch the hummingbird nest cams on Ustream. Two days ago, an 'orphaned' baby was added to a nest with 2 babies in it. I believe the two original babies are 8 and 7 days old, now. The 'orphaned' baby might be about 2, or 3, days younger. So far, everything looks fine. I think there is a 'Rehabber' monitoring the 'cam'. Rehabber suggested adding this new baby to nest. Also, Rehabber thinks the new baby may be an 'Annas'. Mom and her two babies are 'Allens'. I was wondering if anybody here has had any experience with this. Should another nest be put close-by, to accommodate the new baby orphan? The name of the Ustream show is "ourhummingbird nestcam".

 
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Penny
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 4:00 PM 

This uis Phoebe's second nesting this year. If the orphaned baby was put in with the other two it is probably because she would have a better chance of being fed by Phoebe. If the baby was in another nest Phoebe would probably ignore it. It has been a week since i have checked the video myself...those babies have grown fast!

I watched through two feedings and only two babies were fed. I don't know where that third one is hiding.

Penny
NY
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Carobuzz
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 4:37 PM 

Thanks for posting about that, Karin! I was meaning to the other day but it had slipped my mind!

This is "Emma's" nest in the candelabra in California (a few miles away from Phoebe)...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ourhummingbirdnest-com

I think she's an Annas as well because she doesn't have any of the brown markings of an Allens. I will be verrrrrrrry curious to see how this plays out. I can't imagine there being enough room for the 3 chicks as they get older and bigger! I wonder if the rehabbers will step back in at that point. Thank heavens Emma didn't reject the poor little baby! I understand a neighbor cut the other nest down by mistake while trimming bushes! A warning for all of us to be careful this Spring!

Caro
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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 4:39 PM 

I'd be curious to know what Connie thinks of this kind of surrogacy. Has it been practiced successfully before? I have no rehab experience. However, every nest [maybe 5] I've known [none from first-hand experience] about that held more than 2 young failed. I heard of two that failed when the nest burst from the pressure of 3 rambunctious nestlings. In these cases [in the wild], all the young perished when they lost their nest prematurely and were forced to 'fledge' before they were mature enough. I would also be concerned that the female would face an extraordinary burden trying to supply sufficient protein to 3 young plus herself. Also, if the female is not still brooding her own 2 young, would she automatically brood the extra youngster? I'd be interested to know how this works out.

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Metairie, Louisiana USA
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Pam
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 4:40 PM 

Can't be to comfy with 3 heads knocking you off the nest. Females rock!

Pam
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karinNJ
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Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 6:24 PM 

Thank you for the replies. I have been following Phoebe, since 2007. Her 2 newest babies are about to fledge any minute now.

Emma looks different than Phoebe, to me. She has a lot of white feathers above her eyes. But, the host says Emma is an Allens, too. They said that Emma did not sleep in nest last night with the 3 babies. I've, always, seen the Mom spend the night with babies, at least 'til they were 9, or 10 days old. I thought that was curious. Just wondering if the nest is already too full for Mom.

I believe the host and Rehabber tried to find 'documentation' concerning this predictament, but couldn't find any information, anywhere. I, really, don't see how Emma is going to be able to tend to all 3 babies. Hopefully, the Rehabber will be able to 'tend to' Baby Hope when she is a little older, before she grows too big for the nest.

There is a photo of the orphan baby in the host's hand (when they first brought him home). So tiny - it's amazing. This is the third day for new baby in nest. At first, hosts thought baby wasn't going to make it. Baby seems to be doing very well. I can only hope for the best, for Emma and Babies. I guess only time will tell.

 
 

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Linda
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 7:27 PM 

Amazing! I was watching Phoebe's nest today, and didn't happen to look at Emma's, so didn't know about this unusual development. The site owner has a really nice page where she writes more details about how the new baby, Hope, was found, what the rehabber suggested, and how they're doing right now. Also has a nice story about the host's grandmother and how this nest came to be.

Visit:http://ourhummingbirdnest.shutterfly.com/

LindaSkyview
Western NC mountains
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Penny
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 8:21 PM 

I tried using the finding the link from what Karin originally posted but I ended up with Phoebe's webcam and I thought that was what she was referring to ...sorry Karin. I just now saw Emma's nest from the link that Linda posted. OK now I have two nests to keep and eye on.



Penny
NY
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Heat zone 4
Sunset zone 39
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Connie Sale
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 9:24 PM 

I just read this post and learned about this situation.

This will indeed be interesting, since I personally don't know anyone that has ever had the opportunity to even try hummingbird nest surrogacy before. The fact that this is all on live camera is a blessing for three reasons (1) we can see how the mother and "siblings" respond to the new baby and vice versa (2) we can see if mom is able to handle the extra burden (3) monitoring the nest so closely will allow the the local rehabber to determine if and when intervention is needed.

The up side in this surrogacy approach, is that mom doesn't appear to have rejected the baby and there is nothing better than mother's "crop milk" (for lack of a better term) for such a young hatchling. Mom can not only give them the proper nutrition, but she imparts probiotics, crop enzymes, and antibodies (kind of like colostrum in babies) that are so needed at that critical stage. The down side is that, as Nancy suggests, overcrowding could become an issue and mom might not be able to handle the load, putting the entire nest at risk. There is a reason that there are usually only two eggs laid per nest.

Insertion of nestlings into surrogate nests is often done successfully with songbirds. In fact, there are rehabber and backyard bird-watcher groups that work closely together to keep a running list of what's nesting in who's yard and the approximate age of the chicks; so that when orphans come in to rehab of the same age and species, they can attempt re-nesting with a surrogate, and, as long as the nest isn't overcrowded, it often works fine. The instinct to feed a gaping mouth is very strong in most birds.

Nevertheless, I would be monitoring this situation closely and if possible, checking to make sure that all crops are full, observe that all the chicks are pooping normally and rigorously, and they are all developing normally (strong "gape" reflex, developing pins, growing, etc). I've been watching for the past hour and so far mom doesn't appear to be stressed out (at least yet anyway), and she is feeding and brooding them. If I saw anything abnormal or signs of distress, either with mom or the chicks, I would remove the new one and raise it in rehab. Hummingbird nestlings can be successfully raised by a rehabber in captivity. As with songbirds, the hatchling stage is more challenging and sometimes tenuous, so the older the nestling the better for the rehabber and the nestling, if it becomes necessary to bring into rehab.

Along with many others, I'll be watching this nest with both intrigue and concern and definitely will contact the host if I see anything that I think needs immediate attention. So glad this post was made to this list!

Connie

Connie & Wilton Sale
Chesapeake, VA 23322
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Dan
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 9:51 PM 

I was reading the hummer cam chat and I think they said they will leave the orphan in the nest with the other two for now and then at some point move it to the other nest(they attached the orphan's own nest to the branch right next to the new one) and hope the mother continues feeding all three of them and alternates sitting on the two nests.

Dan
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Penny
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 2 2011, 11:09 PM 

So glad to see so much concern for this little 'adoptee'. I think that Hope will indeed have to be moved at some point. I can't even conceive of three in that nest as they get bigger. There is barely room for two once they are filled out and close to fledging.

Penny
NY
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Heat zone 4
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Pam
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 9:53 AM 

I see a second nest has been added. Time will tell.

Pam
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Penny
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 10:43 AM 

I wonder how she will keep all of them warm having to sit on both nests

Penny
NY
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Heat zone 4
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Pam
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 11:48 AM 

looks like they moved 3rd baby over to other nest. I was wrong, it was a stick not a beak. All 3 are snuggled together.

Pam
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Diane
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Hi all! I'm the "host" of the hummer nest with orphan!

April 3 2011, 12:09 PM 

Good morning everybirdy from Southern California! I'm Diane!

I am thrilled to know that "jerseytweeter" (karinNJ) started this thread! I am the "host" of this nest with little baby Hope, an orphan, in it!

It's been a crazy, unexpected turn of events here, and so far we have been blessed with miraculous results!

I want to make sure everyone understands that I'm in direct contact all day long (and sometimes at night) with an amazing, awesome, very experienced rehabber in my area. I would love to hear any suggestions/ideas you all have as well, though! I believe the best results from situations like this are derived from gathering many idea and opinions and sharing them. For this reason, I'm thrilled to see this thread!

Today, our "Forrest" is 8 days old, "Iris", 7 days, and we guess "Hope" to be 6 days old. All are doing VERY well and Emma is feeding all three with ease. There is an ample supply of sugar water within 20 feet of her nest as well as fruit flies from all the rotten fruit I've placed in a dish near her feeder. (Who'd ever guess I'd TRY to raise fruit flies???

In case you haven't seen our live stream of this nest, you can check it out at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ourhummingbirdnest-com

Also, for more info about the nest, FAQ, and new orphan "Hope", please visit www.ourhummingbirdnest.shutterfly.com.

I post most pics on Emma's Facebook page (and she loves new friends) at: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131758716840583

Blessings,
Diane
www.ourhummingbirdnest.com

 
 

Pam
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 12:42 PM 

Hi Dianne! Glad to see your post over here. We all love hummingbirds and are probably glued to you cam! Come back often and join our group![linked image]

Pam
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Connie Sale
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 12:56 PM 

Hi Diane!

I am so glad you have joined us to keep us up to date with your nesting hummers! I agree that so far everything seems to be going just fine. Successful surrogacy is extremely interesting to me as a hummingbird rehabber, so I'll be watching closely. I know you have some really great hummingbird rehabbers in your area; I may even know who you are working with. I see you've added a what looks like a strip of carpeting around the rim of both nests (baby bumpers), and mom doesn't seem to mind the addition. I would watch to make sure Emma doesn't catch a toenail if there are any loops (if there are you might want to cut them) in that material. I just watched Emma zoom in and settle in to her nest like like a pro. She is a remarkable mom, and I think this entire effort is amazing.

Pam,

I don't think Hope has been moved to the new nest, that can't be done until she is able to thermoregulate. I think what we're seeing in Hope's nest is some nesting material that is sticking up and looks like a beak.

Connie

Connie & Wilton Sale
Chesapeake, VA 23322
State and Federal Permits
WildLife Response, Inc.
NWRA, IWRC
Hummingbirds and Songbirds
humnchirp@verizon.net
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Penny
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 1:45 PM 

Diane
Welcom to our 'little' family. We have members spanning across the continental US as well as Canada and Central America so your little Emma has quite an audience. I was concerned that Emma wouldn't feed the baby in the second nest but then realized she is still too young to be moved and put on her own. I have have a second window open whenever I am online so I can watch the prograss as I do for Phoebe. These live streams are just awsome for those of us especially on the east coast and northern states. Something we are unlikely to see first hand.

Don't be a stranger and come back often.

Penny
NY
USDA hardiness zone 6a/6b
Heat zone 4
Sunset zone 39
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Suchie
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Re: Orphaned Baby Hummingbird

April 3 2011, 6:16 PM 

I saw the nest yesterday and it looked like a typical hummer nest. Has something been built around it to prevent it from breaking?

Suchie

 
 
 
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