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Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 28 2012 at 10:19 PM
Kenn  (Login kenn3d)
Hummingbirders 2010

Hi all,

We've been backyard birders forever (plus or minus a few years), and we've only ever seen or noticed one banded bird here... a Chipping Sparrow. But our photos of it only clearly showed the band, not the numbers or designations.
So this year our dominant male Ruby-throat (we call him Buzz)... has an obvious band, and we've been trying mightily to capture photos of him which would reveal the numbers:
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Looks like ...4871... maybe.
Can anyone here tell us anything about this band? How many numbers likely are there? And if we're able to document the number accurately, should we report it, and to whom?

We're very curious about this and would appreciate any info anyone could give us.

thanks,

Kenn



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Backyard Birders in St.Louis, MO - USA
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Penny
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 28 2012, 11:15 PM 

Kenn,
Nancy, Kevin, or Donald would be the ones most likely to be able to answer your questions so hopefully one of them will see your post and provide the info you are looking for.

Penny
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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 28 2012, 11:15 PM 

Kenn & Temple,

Yep, that is a band alright. I would be just as excited as you are! The band will have a letter followed by 5 digits. You have a good chance of being able to read the entire band photographically. Report it online tohttp://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/. You will have to have the entire number to make a meaningful report.

The Bird Banding Laboratory web site will give you some sketchy information about the location where the banding took place and when it was banded. If the data from the banding has not yet reached the BBL, they will contact the bander and request that he or she send the info promptly.

You might want to contact your local bander Lanny Chambers . He might be able to come out to catch the bird so that the band can be read more expeditiously and Lanny can give the bander a report on the bird's general health and well-being.

Ordinarily, when I catch a banded bird, I post the full number on the private listserv humband. Sometimes I will get a phone call back while I am still at the site. Other times, it may be several days.

I hope you will be able to find out more. This can be like finding a note in a bottle on the beach! Last winter, I caught several hummers that had been banded in distant locales - Georgia, Florida, and a couple of my banded birds were caught as well. One was in Pennsylvania and another was in Florida.

When you find out any info, please e-mail me privately so I will know all the details. I am going out of town tomorrow and will be more or less incommunicado for the next couple of weeks.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 28 2012, 11:40 PM 

Kenn and Temple - Those are some awesome shots and the clarity of which shows part of the band number is excellent! I hope you will post any information you find out about this handsome male!

 
 

Paula Shacklock
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 29 2012, 8:13 AM 

I hope you are able to get the rest of the numbers to find out more info on your Buzz. I giggled upon seeing what you named him as I gave the same name to a dominant, always around male last year. Your pictures of him are fantastic. I love seeing all of the iridescents in their feathers. One handsome guy that is for sure!




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Russ Thompson
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 29 2012, 9:14 AM 

Excellent shots.
I suggest you shoot video of the hummer and then you can go frame by frame and maybe get the one letter and 5 digits. We did this with a Rufous that visited Kentucky and found it was banded in Louisanna two years before we saw it. As Nancy suggested getting a bander to capture the bird and then you can record the number by photos or video to document it. They will not just take your word.

Russ Thompson
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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 29 2012, 9:42 AM 

Russ, Kenn,

Actually, they will take your word for it if you are sure of the letter and numerical sequence. A couple of years ago, one of mine showed up in Dave Patton's yard in Lafayette. Dave is a bander, but he recognized the color-mark and left leg band as mine and he didn't want to handle the bird because it was a Buff-bellied, which often become very trap shy after being handled a couple of times, so he took a series of images and got it cold. The bird later returned to the original site, where we caught her again. She also returned for the next season and was caught twice then too. Not trap shy, this gal.

On the other hand, you do want to be sure the numbers are correct and in the correct order. Looking at the images, I am sure of the '4871' so you are more than halfway there. Last year, a bander out west reported one of my numbers, but when I looked up the data, the species he gave was wrong. Re-checking my data, I am convinced that the band was read incorrectly and my bird was never in his hands.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
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Kevin Morgan
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

June 30 2012, 9:25 AM 

To add to Nancy's comments: she's away for several days, but if you DO get the rest of the band number - or the letter and the first few digits - I can check to see if it's one of Nancy's.

What intrigues me most is that the bird is banded on the left leg; as far as I know, the majority of banders band on the right leg, although Nancy, and some of the people she's trained, band on the left. There's no rule about which leg to use, so it's mostly a matter of how the individual bander holds the birds while applying the band.

I think my name is "clickable" for my email address, if it's needed.


Kevin Morgan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana

 
 
Kenn
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Hummingbirders 2010

Thank you all!

June 30 2012, 11:24 AM 

Thanks very much to all who replied...we really appreciate the great info and comments.

We both shoot everyday and there are nearly always shots of Buzz amongst the images taken. We'll be carefully reviewing each and every one we get of him, and with any luck we will get that whole band number.

I'll contact all who've requested it, and also report back to this thread as soon as we have useful additional info.

Thanks again... Great Forum here! happy.gif

Kenn



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Kenn
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Update: Buzz's tentative band number

July 3 2012, 1:00 AM 

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This shot doesn't go in the gallery, but I post it here as Candidate A.
This view of the band reveals an L, and what may be a 2.
If so, we may now have the full number as L24871

We'll try to get more corroborating views to verify this before reporting him.

Kenn

 
 
Kenn
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@Nancy and Kevin

July 3 2012, 11:44 AM 

@Nancy and Kevin

I went to the bbl site to see if they had a searchable database where I might find this tentative band number... but apparently not.

If either of you recognize this number or find it any records you keep, please let us know (either in this forum thread or by email).

Thanks again everyone,

Kenn (kenn3d@charter.net)

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Steve Kapusta
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 3 2012, 12:19 PM 

I think the number after the "L" is a 4. Based on the position of the left point in the 4, it appears higher than the bottom part of the L, where as a "2" would be in line with the bottom of the "L".

Steve Kapusta

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Kevin Morgan
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 3 2012, 2:33 PM 

Kenn,

The first two characters definitely look like "L2" to me. (The "L" is obvious, and I can see the "curve" at the top of the "2".)

The "48" and "71" noted earlier also look right - my only question is the sequence. It's hard for me to see whether the 48 comes before the 71, as you think (and that does look more likely), or if the 71 might come before the 48.

If you have any other shots that straddle these segments that you could share, either here or privately, that would make it more clear. With Nancy out of the country, I can do a preliminary inquiry on the private list for the banders to see if anyone can place the number.

Very, very cool!

 
 
Becky
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 4 2012, 12:14 AM 

Kenn - I agree, how awesome! I hope you get some info about this bird and where it was banded.

I'd love to find out about any of the birds banded in my yard. The odds are probably not high though to ever know.

 
 
Kevin Morgan
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 4 2012, 10:51 PM 

Kenn & folks,

Well, we need to keep trying - the number we thought it might be, definitely isn't this bird - it was used on another species entirely. We may have the sequence or one or more digits incorrect.

So Kenn, if you have any more pictures of the band, even if the pictures themselves aren't stunning, we might be able to piece it together. Either post or emailing them to me is fine - I'd love to see this solved!

Kevin

Kevin Morgan
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Linsey
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 5 2012, 12:16 AM 

This is so exciting! I really hope some information will be found out!

Linsey
MN
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joan
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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 5 2012, 9:24 AM 

It kind of looks like L4 to me as well. Kevin, could you look up L48711, L48712, L48713....etc.?

Joan Garvey - Metairie, LA Zone 9

 
 
Kevin Morgan
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 5 2012, 3:42 PM 

Joan -

I can't look up any individual band numbers other than those issued to Nancy. Otherwise, the band number has to be reported (as when we catch a 'foreign' bird), and since we're not sure of the band number, I can't actually report it yet.

What I did with the previous "best guess" was put out a request to the bander community for the person issued that band to contact me. She did, and it was clear from her records that we didn't have a match.

I don't want to clutter up the banders' list with too many semi-random guesses - especially if we have a shot at more pictures that could narrow it down more. But I'm also blowing up the band in each shot, trying to see if I can make out any more of what's there. It could indeed be an L4, but blown up it still looks like L2 to me. But then, you know my eyes....


Kevin Morgan
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Pete
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Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 5 2012, 5:14 PM 

L24821 is my guess. Let's start a pool, just for bragg'n' rights.

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Kevin Morgan
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Buzz is banded! - Info Please?

July 5 2012, 5:29 PM 

Pete,

For what it's worth, L24821 would be in the same series issued to the bander who used L24871, and she works in an area where there are no Ruby-throated Hummingbirds.


Kevin Morgan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana

 
 
 
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