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Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013 at 9:19 AM
Indy Steve  (Login Stevenindy)
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Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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Paula Shacklock
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:25 AM 

So beautiful!




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jerry
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Hummingbirder 2012

nice

May 4 2013, 9:27 AM 

Early bloomer i see, is it alot like a Black and Blue?

any residents in your area yet?

I had one fly in to the water hose as i watered my new flowers but has yet to return. but i have a wonderful flower garden in once they show up.

Another Day in Paradise Jerry

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Indy Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:32 AM 

Similar to B and B but this calyx is not black more of a dark purple.

Yes I had visitors at my feeders all day yesterday because of the winds.

Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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Leah
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:45 AM 

Very nice!

Leah
Ocala, Fl
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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 10:13 AM 

I REALLY like the bloom color! Thanks for posting a photo! [linked image]

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Faulconer
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 7:37 AM 

That's a very nice plant Steve.
Is this an annual for your area?
I was just wondering since it looks so much like B&B Salvia.

I just bought a whole flat of 4 inch pots of B&B Salvia yesterday
which I love to plant in pots all around the house. Hummers seem to
love it. I see the difference in the plants.

I love it!


Jodi
Zone 6
South Central Ohio

 
 

Verna
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RE: Firstblooms

May 5 2013, 8:36 AM 

Those flowers are just beautiful!! Love the color.

Verna
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Becky
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 9:49 AM 

Isn't Amistad a cross of Salvia guaranitica and some other species of salvia?

Just for comparison, here is a photo I took of my Black and Blue this morning. The leaves are lighter color on B & B. And the flowers are totally different in color. B & B has deep blue blooms whereas Amistad has deep purple flowers. Both seem to have those dark calyx? The leaf shape is very similar on both plants from what I can tell.

Amistad isn't a tuberose/rhizomes plant either? Did I read that correctly from another thread by Rolando?

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Dan
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 10:19 AM 

I should have some blooms opening on one of my Amistads in a few days. I can definitely smell the guaranitica in Amistad's leaves.

Dan
Zone 5
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Indy Steve
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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 10:53 AM 

A beautiful plant yes but the parentage seems to be a mystery.

Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 12:06 PM 

(I posted not signed in, so this will have a repeat post that hopefully Bob can delete the unknow author one! Hint, hint!)

An unsolved mystery! Love it!

I took a photo of B & B (left) and Amistad (right) leaves:

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Also Amistad (left), Lavender lace (middle), and Hidalgo (right):

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I rubbed each of the leaves and then smelled them. Amistad has a fruity scent to me. I don't have pineapple sage for a scent comparison. B & B smells like cat urine to me! LOL! And the others had light scents, but not fruity. I didn't compare with the rest of my salvias. Nothing looked even remotely close. So ... to me, Amistad does not seem to have any of the B & B guaranitica salvia traits. I know there are many other guaranitica species/cultivars out there that might better resemble Amistad!

On the SouthernLiving tag that Kermit sent, it does say:

Dark purple flowers with nearly black calyx bloom constantly from early Spring until Frost. Amistad is more compact and has a fuller habit than other guaranitica types. Flowers are a magnet for butterflies and hummingbirds.

I wonder what it means by "fuller habit"?

My B & B is a very dense and wide plant, which I consider a full habit.

Of course in Argentina, there are so many species and hybrids, the likelihood of having something here available to really compare it to is probably not likely.


    
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Kermit Carter
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 1:26 PM 

One of the biggest differences between Amistad and S. guarantica is that Amistad branches at almost every node. This makes for a very full plant.

Kermit Carter
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Dan
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 11:13 AM 

The larger of my two Amistads just put out its first few blooms this morning. It's a damp, gloomy day, though, so the purple color won't pop like it might in sunshine.

Dan
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Sherry
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 12:42 PM 

Beautiful!!

Mine has four racemes? (is that the word?) on it, and the biggest should be opening in a few days. So far, this is proving to be a very easy plant to grow, growing rapidly and looking totally happy - YAY!

The leaves are more angular than S. guaranitica, so I'd guess the other parent is a red salvia with triangular leaves.

Sherry
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Ward
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 12:55 PM 

One of mine opened yesterday - curious to see what it will look like when it is in full growth. There are now 5 cuttings under lights. The older ones have begun to grow but I am not seeing roots yet. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to go from fresh cutting to monster. I should have given them bottom heat to move things along.

 
 
Indy Steve
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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 1:31 PM 

Heres a couple shots of how mine look today.

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Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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Indy Steve
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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 5:09 PM 

I stress again that the early fault/issue for amistad is broken flower stems. Even though before the storm hit today I moved the plants under cover made no difference another broken flower stem, seems the slightest breeze will do it. So I say is be ready for it and I doubt it is just me. Early on I dont know the answer. Unless you can grow them in a tight cluster , in a pot doesnt seem to be a good way for me.,,,,,,,,,, stressssssssed!

Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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Priya
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 8:00 PM 

Steve,
That is an important observation about Amistad. All of mine will live in containers. I bought some peony guards from Song Sparrow Farm, which look like squat tomato cages. I plan to put one around salvia darcyi, which is also prone to breakage. Perhaps I should do the same with Amistad.
Mine have just been sitting without blooming. I hope the warmer weather spurs them into action.

Priya
Zone 7, Maryland

 
 
Indy Steve
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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 8:06 PM 

Priya

I agree and you most likely remember me referring to my salvia darcyi breakage. I had two of the larger stems break. The rest of the plant is fairly small and I put a small cage around it on windy days.

I posted a couple of photos of amistad today before the breakage on my "mesa purple" post.

Steve
Martinsville, In
Heat zone 6
Sunset zone 35

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