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Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013 at 9:19 AM
Indy Steve  (Login Stevenindy)
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(Login PaulaShacklock)
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:25 AM 

So beautiful!




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nice

May 4 2013, 9:27 AM 

Early bloomer i see, is it alot like a Black and Blue?

any residents in your area yet?

I had one fly in to the water hose as i watered my new flowers but has yet to return. but i have a wonderful flower garden in once they show up.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:32 AM 

Similar to B and B but this calyx is not black more of a dark purple.

Yes I had visitors at my feeders all day yesterday because of the winds.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 4 2013, 9:45 AM 

Very nice!

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May 4 2013, 10:13 AM 

I REALLY like the bloom color! Thanks for posting a photo! [linked image]

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 7:37 AM 

That's a very nice plant Steve.
Is this an annual for your area?
I was just wondering since it looks so much like B&B Salvia.

I just bought a whole flat of 4 inch pots of B&B Salvia yesterday
which I love to plant in pots all around the house. Hummers seem to
love it. I see the difference in the plants.

I love it!


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May 5 2013, 8:36 AM 

Those flowers are just beautiful!! Love the color.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 9:49 AM 

Isn't Amistad a cross of Salvia guaranitica and some other species of salvia?

Just for comparison, here is a photo I took of my Black and Blue this morning. The leaves are lighter color on B & B. And the flowers are totally different in color. B & B has deep blue blooms whereas Amistad has deep purple flowers. Both seem to have those dark calyx? The leaf shape is very similar on both plants from what I can tell.

Amistad isn't a tuberose/rhizomes plant either? Did I read that correctly from another thread by Rolando?

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May 5 2013, 10:19 AM 

I should have some blooms opening on one of my Amistads in a few days. I can definitely smell the guaranitica in Amistad's leaves.

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Indy Steve
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May 5 2013, 10:53 AM 

A beautiful plant yes but the parentage seems to be a mystery.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 5 2013, 12:06 PM 

(I posted not signed in, so this will have a repeat post that hopefully Bob can delete the unknow author one! Hint, hint!)

An unsolved mystery! Love it!

I took a photo of B & B (left) and Amistad (right) leaves:

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Also Amistad (left), Lavender lace (middle), and Hidalgo (right):

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I rubbed each of the leaves and then smelled them. Amistad has a fruity scent to me. I don't have pineapple sage for a scent comparison. B & B smells like cat urine to me! LOL! And the others had light scents, but not fruity. I didn't compare with the rest of my salvias. Nothing looked even remotely close. So ... to me, Amistad does not seem to have any of the B & B guaranitica salvia traits. I know there are many other guaranitica species/cultivars out there that might better resemble Amistad!

On the SouthernLiving tag that Kermit sent, it does say:

Dark purple flowers with nearly black calyx bloom constantly from early Spring until Frost. Amistad is more compact and has a fuller habit than other guaranitica types. Flowers are a magnet for butterflies and hummingbirds.

I wonder what it means by "fuller habit"?

My B & B is a very dense and wide plant, which I consider a full habit.

Of course in Argentina, there are so many species and hybrids, the likelihood of having something here available to really compare it to is probably not likely.


    
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May 5 2013, 1:26 PM 

One of the biggest differences between Amistad and S. guarantica is that Amistad branches at almost every node. This makes for a very full plant.

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May 9 2013, 11:13 AM 

The larger of my two Amistads just put out its first few blooms this morning. It's a damp, gloomy day, though, so the purple color won't pop like it might in sunshine.

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May 9 2013, 12:42 PM 

Beautiful!!

Mine has four racemes? (is that the word?) on it, and the biggest should be opening in a few days. So far, this is proving to be a very easy plant to grow, growing rapidly and looking totally happy - YAY!

The leaves are more angular than S. guaranitica, so I'd guess the other parent is a red salvia with triangular leaves.

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Ward
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May 9 2013, 12:55 PM 

One of mine opened yesterday - curious to see what it will look like when it is in full growth. There are now 5 cuttings under lights. The older ones have begun to grow but I am not seeing roots yet. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to go from fresh cutting to monster. I should have given them bottom heat to move things along.

 
 

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May 9 2013, 1:31 PM 

Heres a couple shots of how mine look today.

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Steve
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May 9 2013, 5:09 PM 

I stress again that the early fault/issue for amistad is broken flower stems. Even though before the storm hit today I moved the plants under cover made no difference another broken flower stem, seems the slightest breeze will do it. So I say is be ready for it and I doubt it is just me. Early on I dont know the answer. Unless you can grow them in a tight cluster , in a pot doesnt seem to be a good way for me.,,,,,,,,,, stressssssssed!

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Priya
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May 9 2013, 8:00 PM 

Steve,
That is an important observation about Amistad. All of mine will live in containers. I bought some peony guards from Song Sparrow Farm, which look like squat tomato cages. I plan to put one around salvia darcyi, which is also prone to breakage. Perhaps I should do the same with Amistad.
Mine have just been sitting without blooming. I hope the warmer weather spurs them into action.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 9 2013, 8:06 PM 

Priya

I agree and you most likely remember me referring to my salvia darcyi breakage. I had two of the larger stems break. The rest of the plant is fairly small and I put a small cage around it on windy days.

I posted a couple of photos of amistad today before the breakage on my "mesa purple" post.

Steve
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May 9 2013, 8:33 PM 

I've only had breakage from the older plant, and one of the broken stems seems to be rooting. The other 5 are here and there around the yard. All 6 plants are in containers and we have had significant winds - enough to rip a 40+ pound limb from a neighbor's Bald Cypress. Had some other breakage as well. 2 branches came off the Cuphea caeciliae, both of which are now rooting.

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May 9 2013, 9:50 PM 

Thanks Steve,

Because of this thread I ordered 4 from Kermit this afternoon, along with a few other Salvias. And I was doing so well with keeping my plant purchases down this year.

Actually I am really looking forward to getting the order.

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May 9 2013, 10:19 PM 

Thanks for the heads up about the Amistad breakage, Steve. We've heard growers raving about this plant for a couple years. It's odd the topic of brittleness has never come up until now. This could be a problem for me because the one I just planted in the ground is more exposed than my other guaraniticas. It's fairly well protected from late season strong north/northwest wind, but any strong wind from the west or southwest, like we can easily get from severe storms, will be a problem.

The blooms on this plant really do look great. It's a nice vibrant purple. I hope to be able to see a big, dense plant loaded with blooms later in the season.

Dan
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May 9 2013, 10:22 PM 

Lovely blooms, Steve! I hope to see some blooms on mine soon.

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May 10 2013, 10:34 AM 

We've grown this variety now for over a year. Young, fast growing plants are a bit brittle - but no more so than greggii or blepharophylla or many, many others. Once they have a bit of size they are no more and no less subject to breakage than any other.



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May 10 2013, 11:15 AM 

If you are going to grow Amistad in a container, what would be the optimal container size for this plant?

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May 10 2013, 4:26 PM 

I see Southern Living plant selections is carrying S. Amistad. http://southernlivingplants.com/find_a_retailer. Big box store may have them if they carry So. living

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May 10 2013, 4:46 PM 

They look good Steve. Will be ordering my plants soon.

 
 

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May 10 2013, 10:32 PM 

Beautiful plant Steve.

Now I understand why everyone has been talking about this
plant.

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May 10 2013, 10:49 PM 

Steve

since this picture keeps catching my eye

It reminds me of Salvia splendons (I know I spelled it wrong -- ha! Ward
can no longer make fun of my inability to spell or say these words ... )

..
and if it has a fruity smell .. (pineapple sage, honeymelon sage, freida Dixon sage,
dancing dolls .. all are of that group and have fruity smells)

although it definitely seems crossed with black and blue
as well

lovely

can't wait to find one

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May 11 2013, 11:52 AM 

The wind is howling today and my plants are getting whipped around. The Amistad is theoretically sheltered from north wind, but it's really swirling inside my fenced-in backyard so the protection isn't helping much.

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May 11 2013, 12:00 PM 

The wind can do more damage than the cold. Ive lost a few plants and trees (Japanese maples) to wind damage. Even though I covered my evergreens out front, two of them have wind burn at the very tops. I constant battle.

 
 

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May 11 2013, 1:05 PM 

Im sure many of you are experiencing an explosion of blooming on your Amistad by now, but here is my latest.

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May 11 2013, 1:09 PM 

Really nice!! I missed out on this one. All well.


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May 11 2013, 1:21 PM 

Very nice, Steve. My Amistad has six vibrant blooms today. The photos don't really do it justice.

Regarding the wind today, I already have a cage around my Amistad to keep critters away from it and I realized I can simply wrap a sheet around the cage to keep the wind out. Now my plant is barely moving despite the strong wind. For the next two nights of cold all I have to do now is pull the sheet over the top and it's ready to go.

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May 11 2013, 1:23 PM 

I used to use tomato cages on the larger potted plants, than pulled a pillow case over them. My deck looked like a sleepover!!


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Amistad first open blooms!

May 11 2013, 2:36 PM 

Steve,

That's good to know, so thanks again. Our plants arrived with buds, so they should be blooming soon (although they are still inside due to chilly temperatures.) We always have trouble with Salvia 'Purple Majesty' breaking off in the wind.

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May 11 2013, 2:48 PM 

Wow Steve!
What are you growing those Amistads in? Mine are still sitting tight, maybe the warm weather will wake them up. Are you using any special fertilizer?

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May 11 2013, 3:18 PM 

Priya

It does seem strange alright but Im doing nothing special. But we have had a lot of rain lately, spark an idea! But the crazier thing is it has been cold here the last couple of nights it the 40s and yet I left them outside. But with temps dropping into the mid 30s tonight and tomorrow they will be in the garage. But some of the others I may just throw a covering over them

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May 11 2013, 7:34 PM 

Today I was gone for about 1 1/2 hrs and its a good thing I took the updated photos of Amistad because,,,, you guessed it that stem was broke. Because this was the entire stem with leaves I Have something to try and root, we shall see.

Steve
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May 12 2013, 2:56 PM 

Here are the first blooms on my Amistad, It will be planted in the ground later.

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May 12 2013, 4:00 PM 

Linda

Very nice, you will have many more opening soon, enjoy!

 
 
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May 12 2013, 8:55 PM 

Thank you. I hope you enjoy yours as well....I will be planting my darcyi in the ground tommorrow. One of my favorites, so far.



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May 12 2013, 10:19 PM 

I've been growing Amistad for about 6 weeks now, and agree with what's been said so far. I also have been growing S. guaranitica Santa Maria, and it seems to have leaves very similar in size and shape to Amistad. To get the branching density, I wonder if the other parent could be S. gesneriflora mountain form?

I also have a small plant of Cosquin growing, and would love to trial other new forms. I'd love to compare Blue Ensign with Blue Enigma - I think they might really be the same plant.

 
 

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May 13 2013, 6:22 AM 

Would like to hear more about S. guaranitica Santa Maria, Richard. Always interested in a new salvia. Can you tell us where you found it?

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May 13 2013, 11:53 AM 

This plant comes from seed provided by Rolando Uria. Both Tony Avent and I started it, though I lost my seedlings. I started cuttings from his stock, and have some small ones and three large stock plants. It wasn't that impressive, though Rolando rated it the highest. Both Tony and I are giving it a second chance.

The thread quotes a researcher in Argentina and gives an image of those he studied:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/439743/thread/1365975884/Rolando%27s+guaraniticas

For us, the plant has an open structure, with smaller flowers. Perhaps it takes a few years to fill in.

S. guaranitica v. purpurea in Tony's garden was open in structure and sparse as well, and all forms were variable. Both S. cyanicalyx and S. cardiophylla grew rapidly and became huge in contrast.

I am interested in getting these trialled in the southeastern US, since my environment does not do as well with many Salvias. Those new forms that are winners here generally do very well in arid environments, but can suffer when they are grown up north. Conversely, those adapted to colder climates can do poorly here. Usually I have bigger problems with hot, humid nights, which cause internodes to be lengthened and colors to be washed out.

It would be very nice to develop a guaranitica that would be hardy in USDA zone 5

 
 

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May 17 2013, 12:22 PM 

I have a second flower spike blooming now with a third getting close. One thing I've noticed is these spikes are very dense with calyxes and put out many blooms each day. This plant is going to be awesome in September. I have a couple bright yellow lantanas next to the Amistad and it should be a real eye-popping combo.

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Ward
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May 17 2013, 12:36 PM 

I am curious how it will be later in the season. The side shoots start to develop flower spikes after just a couple sets of leaves. I still have one in its original pot that I plan to take to a friend and it is now way ahead of the one which was planted several weeks ago. The reason may be the lack of rain. It is a very dry spring here.

 
 
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May 17 2013, 3:11 PM 

Well its certainly not a dry spring here , another strong rain and wind storm moved thru here the last 20min. I dont mind the rain, its the wind which the plants take a beating and some laying down.

I still have my amistad in their large 3gal pots not sure if I will plant them. Im sure they will put on a good show.

Just watched a male hummer go from my major wheeler[which has a lot of open bloom now]to mesa purple , lady in red, vista red, coral nymph and salvia oxyphora then to the feeder.

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May 17 2013, 4:28 PM 

Dan

Since you mentioned it I just took a closer look at mine and I see 5-6 flower spikes on mine most are small but you can see what is to come, especially the way this plant wants to load up with blooms on each one. Just a matter of time.

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May 17 2013, 10:57 PM 

I potted mine up into a gallon pot after receiving it from Kermit. I've been really busy this week and hadn't paid much attention to it until today after work and I noticed it has produced 3 bloom spikes. I am looking forward to seeing what the blooms look like. It is certainly an enthusiastic growing plant! My Scarlet Spires is also doing great! I have a couple nearly-bare garden beds just waiting for some plants. happy.gif

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May 19 2013, 7:11 PM 

Im not sure how much water this holds, but I have both my amistad plants in pots. One gets only early morning sun and has 10 new flower spikes, the other one has 5-6 new spikes and it is in almost full day sun. Im not sure at this point if that only reflects that one plant is more mature than the other or otherwise.

 
 

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May 19 2013, 9:30 PM 

I counted 5 small flower spikes on mine today. Can't wait to see the first blooms!

That's interesting what you posted, Steve. Shade or full sun? Good experiment to try! Keep us posted what you find out from continued observation.

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May 20 2013, 7:05 AM 

Last night we had our first severe storm of the year with wind gusts between 60 and 70 mph. It was also coming from the southwest, which meant my Amistad was vulnerable. I already have a cage around it to keep critters out so I wrapped the cage with a towel as I did on a strong wind day a week ago. The plant is just fine this morning so it worked. I put the potted Amistad in the garage with all the other pots.

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Indy Steve
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May 20 2013, 12:04 PM 

Its fairly breezy here today but its indicated we could get stronger storms late today. Of the potted plants I have certain ones are more prone to the wind damage so I wont have to move all plants under cover or in the garage provided I get some warning before hand.

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Amistad first open blooms!

May 20 2013, 1:23 PM 

Dan,

Glad to hear your Amistad were not damaged in the storm. Our storms here were not that severe and did not produce such damage like in areas further south.

Steve,

Our two Amistad are planted in the ground in full sun. Both are doing well and have flower spikes not yet open, but close. I did notice that one plant seemed larger and further along when we received our order from Kermit. We eagerly await the first bloom.

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May 22 2013, 6:14 AM 

I'm into the deadheading stage now--and seeing the first cuttings taking root and starting to send out little blooms. One of the most impressive things about Amistad is how quickly it blooms. It is definitely puts out a lot of flowers early and then just keeps going.

My plants are perhaps a foot-and-a-half tall with flower spikes another ten inches or so higher than that. I'm wondering if the plants will grow much taller or larger and if Kermit or any of you do much deadheading. Hopefully things will slow down here for me and I will be able to take some pictures.

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May 22 2013, 3:26 PM 

Since this one doesn't seem to set any viable seed, deadheading is a cosmetic improvement and allows for more flowers because of the fresh new growth - but even ignored it just blooms on. I'll post a picture later today of one that has gone unpruned for over a year, to give an idea.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 22 2013, 7:03 PM 

Mine just started blooming today.

Kermit - I am very interested to see a photo of your 1 year old unpruned bush.

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 23 2013, 6:36 PM 

Just wanted to say that on the most advanced Amistad I counted no less than 12 flower spikes today but no blooms as yet.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 23 2013, 10:13 PM 

Here is a picture of an Amistad planted out last July. The plants being sold then in California were sprayed with a plant growth regulator, which more or less kept them from growing at all for the first 90 days. And then we had an unusually harsh winter, with 3 inches of dime-size hail in one hour Christmas time. So this is a survivor. Note it is blooming now! Not pretty, but just think what it has been through! No pruning - other plants that are more demanding have been getting my attention.

Oh, it's about 3 1/2 feet tall.

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Kermit Carter
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 23 2013, 10:56 PM 

What a magnificent plant Kermit! I should be getting my salvias in tomorrow from FBTS. Wish I had seen this thread before I ordered!! Hmmmm....note to self...make new order for amistad

Krista
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 24 2013, 7:27 AM 

Looks healthy and strong Kermit. happy.gif

Kerry
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 24 2013, 10:10 PM 

Kermit - Impressive!!! Thanks for posting the photo of Amistad in all it's glory!

I have a question ....

Does Amistad produce runners like Black and Blue?

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 25 2013, 8:39 PM 

Kermit

Thanks for posting that photo of the nice big plant .

After the wind did its work on my flower spikes , now I have a new first bloom on my 12 new flower spikes. Cant wait to see what it will look like if all spikes go into bloom at the same time or whenever they do.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 25 2013, 9:44 PM 

No runners at all. Nothing. And the root system does not to me look like that of a guarantica. More unknowns about this one.

Kermit Carter
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(Login SteveWnindy)
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 25 2013, 11:19 PM 

Of the 3 cuttings that broke in the wind so far salvia darcyi and cerro potosi both rooted with a two week period or less and are standing on their own but amistad still requires humidity even after two weeks , still under cover. I was surprised as I thought amistad would really jump first , the quickest of the three was cerro potosi.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 26 2013, 12:42 AM 

Thanks Kermit! I am relieved to know it doesn't produce runners.

Steve - Interesting info about Amistad cuttings. I would have thought it would be quick to root too.

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 26 2013, 9:11 AM 

I wish it did produce runners. They make it very easy to start new plants and they make for more stems and a denser plant.

Dan
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 26 2013, 11:48 PM 

Beautiful pictures everyone! This is on my want list but I can't add it yet. (Yesss, we wants the preciousss!) Moving in a month, need to reduce rather than increase the number of plants. I'm following this thread with the hope that next year I can have an Amistad, with more information on its needs and care.

Edie
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 8:32 AM 

I put cuttings of Amistad in pots about two weeks ago and they are now throwing out blooms! Never seen a plant root so quickly. I am in Central Florida and we are hot and humid, so that might make a difference in rooting. I took six penta cuttings at the same time and they are doing well, except for one that I think a squirrel got to, but they are far behind the Amistads.

I'm now looking for places to put the new plants.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 11:30 AM 

I took a rescue cutting of Amistad, and it rooted very quickly.

I'm pretty sure it is a hybrid with a red sage, but with smaller flowers than gesneriflora. None of the other purple guaranitica hybrids show any sign of stolons or tubers. Whatever the red sage is, it probably branches freely.

The size of the leaves suggest that one or possibly both parents may have smaller leaves. The flowers look like they are 80 to 90% of the size of most guaranitica forms.

I don't have a big enough plant of Amistad to validate these observations, though.

Stolons don't show up on S. stolonifera and S. oxyphora until the plants get really mature.

 
 

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 5:50 PM 

These are the salvia Amistad that I received from Kermit on the 16th. I potted them up on the 19th and they have just taken off. The last 3 days I have seen hummingbirds feeding on them. A really nice plant.

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Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 8:29 PM 

JP

They look very nice, should be a great summer plant.

Heres a couple shots of my best plant. This is well after all the strong winds have done their damage to the plants. This one has 12-13 flower spikes.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 10:26 PM 

JP - Beautiful! How many plants are in there?

Steve - Great close-up bloom photos! Awesome!

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 27 2013, 10:44 PM 

Much to my surprise, I was finally able to find Amistad at one of my local nurseries!! I am very excited and I have to say that as soon as I put it outside tonight, one of my Anna's went right to it. No pictures, it was too cloudy and raining, but I have a good feeling about the hummingbird use of this flower already!


On the downside, I know it won't get the heat that it might require, I can keep it in a very large pot, or would it be better in the ground, maybe in a raised bed?

Ruth
Everett, WA
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 29 2013, 8:29 PM 

Starting to Strut a little bit

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 29 2013, 9:23 PM 

Sadly cant say that Ive seen a hummer use the amistad as yet , doesnt mean they havent its a little out of my line of sight so I moved it so I can watch it better. But this evening they have been hitting my black and blue from the nursery quite hard. Looking forward to more plants being in full bloom.

Steve
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 29 2013, 11:42 PM 

Mine is still in a pot. I'll be transplanting it into one of the garden beds within the next week. No hummers here though to see how much use it gets. I do really like those beautiful purple blooms and the growth habit of this plant.

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 31 2013, 2:14 PM 

I planted one Amistad in a container and the other in the ground. The one in the container looks great, with rich green leaves, and is growing quickly. The in-ground plant has barely grown at all and has lighter-colored leaves. Three or four leaves at the base of the plant have turned completely yellow. The container plant is about twice the size of the in-ground one now. Does the in-ground plant just have a simple nitrogen deficiency? I've been wanting to give it some fertilizer but it has been raining every day for the last week.

Dan
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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 31 2013, 3:13 PM 

Butterflies like them! Both mine are still in a pot one is much better than the other.

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 31 2013, 8:20 PM 

Dan: The rain is likely the issue. Wet feet is what this sounds like to me, especially since the containerized one is doing well. It will grow, but isn't waiting difficult?

Kermit Carter
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(Login beckygardener)
Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

May 31 2013, 10:59 PM 

It's been windy the past couple of days and I've found the pot laying on it's side. Today I had several broken branches! Grrrrr ....

Kermit - Thanks for that info. It makes me think I should have one of each of my salvia's growing in pots since we are prone to rain with hurricane season beginning. I'd sure hate to lose all my plants during the seasonal stormy weather this summer/fall. And I could move potted plants into the garage during a storm.

~Becky~

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

June 1 2013, 8:34 AM 

I think with our sandy soil here in Florida that they would not get wet feet, Becky, but I don't know your situation. They grow very easily from cuttings, so you can take the broken stems and probably get them to grow. Keeping one or two in a pot can't hurt though.

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(Login SteveWnindy)
Hummingbird lover 2007

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

June 1 2013, 2:22 PM 

Becky

Sometimes you are better off having the pot blown over rather than the alternative.

My plant would have many more blooms than this had I not lost stems and blooms due to strong winds here which seem to never stop.

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Roe
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Hummingbirder 2012

Re: Amistad first open blooms!

June 5 2013, 10:52 PM 

my amistad looks like it is growing well and has blooms which have not opened, but although the leaves and stems are perky, the buds are not. they point downward as if wilted? any ideas?
Roe

 
 

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Re: Amistad first open blooms!

June 5 2013, 11:55 PM 

Roe:

That is normal. They will straighten out as they grow.

Kermit Carter
Flowers by the Sea
Elk, California
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