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Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013 at 1:21 AM
Becky  (Login beckygardener)
Hummingbirder 2008

Nancy - The little salvia start you sent me earlier this year is now quite tall and has bloom spikes all over it. The first blooms opened today. BEAUTIFUL!!!! Thanks so much for sharing this plant with me! I am watching to see if the hummers agree!

The first blooms:

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And another bud spike getting ready to also bloom:

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~Becky~

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Kathi and Michael Rock
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Hummingbird Member 2006

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 2:22 AM 

Interesting Salvia Becky. The flowers look a little like Salvia atrocyanea and the leaves look like Salvia 'Phyllis Fancy."

Please let us know if the hummers use it or not.

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Michael and Kathi Rock
Madison, WI
Zone 5

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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 6:52 AM 

Becky,

First flowers on mine are not open yet and the migrants are giving it a good going over to check for flowers. I have 2 plants side by side in the backyard. One is Salvia 'Margie Griffith' and the other is a seedling from the first. Both are nearly 10 feet tall and wide! They will be spectacular in a couple of weeks.

Kathi,

Salvia 'Margie Griffith' is an F2 hybrid of a Salvia mexicana x Salvia involucrata crossed back to Salvia mexicana. It was developed by a friend and is not commercially available. I have 2 other Salvia mexicana cultivars, both of which are in bud, but this one is the only Salvia mexicana I need. It won't do anyone any good north of zone 8 since it is a fall flowering plant.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
http://www.casacolibri.net/
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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 9:52 AM 

Kathi - This is my first experience with this hybrid. It gets nice and tall and seems to produce a number of branches. Not so thick as to develop fungus issues, so I like it's growth habit.

Nancy - Has the hybrid from the original ever bloomed for you? If so, what color are the flowers? This is definitely a southern salvia for the bloom time. I am very happy with it because it is surviving and thriving in my garden. I have lost a number of salvia plants this year because of the soil and probably bad nematodes. I am happy with any salvia that can survive despite the odds! [linked image]

Here is a photo of the garden bed that Margie Griffith is in. Because of her height, I put her in the back. You can see that Phyllis's Fancy and Amistad look pretty pathetic. I am waiting to see if they are going to die completely or make a comeback. Salvia oxyphora looks great! Makes a very nice, lush bush. Can't wait to see blooms for the first time!

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~Becky~

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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 10:59 AM 

Behind Phyllis's Fancy in the above photos is Lavender Lace Saliva. It is another one that seems to be thriving in my yard. And it is stunning when in bloom. Phyllis's Fancy is nothing but stems now, very few leaves. Amistad is looking about the same way. I think both plants are on their way out. Will have to grow them in containers next time, should I try them again.

Another salvia that has done really well, is Salvia miniata. I have this growing in 2 places in my backyard. It always has some blooms on it. It is also a semi-shade loving plant. Which works out good because I have quite a bit of shade in the garden beds along the back fence. I do need to put another taller plant behind it to hide the fence. Not sure which plant though ...

Salvia miniata:

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~Becky~

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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 7:02 PM 

Becky asked: " . . . Has the hybrid from the original ever bloomed for you? If so, what color are the flowers? . . . "

The original hybrid was a volunteer in my friend's garden. She called it Salvia 'Raven'. It is a lovely dark blue, somewhat like 'Margie Griffith', but that plant did not get so large. Like the pink parent, Salvia involucrata, the blooms formed in dense clusters [involucres]. It never lasted more than a year or two here and I do not currently have it.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
http://www.casacolibri.net/
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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 10:12 PM 

Nancy - How long have you had your current Margie Griffith? And the one next to it, is it a duplicate of Margie Griffith or is it from seed and not exactly the same?

~Becky~

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Tom
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 10:41 PM 

Here's a picture of Margie the last time she was in bloom.

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She's a big beauty. I have her in another place and she is starting to bloom in both places now.

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Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 6 2013, 10:55 PM 

Tom - Oh my goodness!!!! That is a gorgeous plant! I hope mine eventually looks like that! WOW! Talk about "blooming impact"! I am genuinely IMPRESSED!!!! Does it get a lot of hummer use? (I hope!)

~Becky~

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Kathi and Michael Rock
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 7 2013, 1:19 AM 

Wow, Tom, that is quite a sight!! In the north, we could only dream about something like that. [linked image]

Nancy, thanks for the detail on this plant but don't even think that I want any more salvias. We already have too many, more than the hummers (the few that we have) will ever use, and some are not yet blooming. As much as I love salvias, it is way too challenging to try and grow unusual ones in a rotten climate with such a short growing season (although we can can grow cuphea very well.) Salvias always grow well, but blooming can be another story. Amistad did both, but only received attention from hummers at the very end of the season.

I know it will be difficult for you or anyone else to believe, but we have successfully grown both Salvia involucrata and Salvia mexicana in our yard and have had hummers at both. Although the photos are not at the level of others on The Forum, here are links to prove it:

https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/mjrock/web/mexicana.htm
https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/mjrock/web/rosebudsage.htm

A few of the other interesting and more unusual salvias we have grown this year with much success include:

-Salvia macrophylla 'Big Swing' (a HUGE hit with our hummers this season!)
-Salvia atrocyanea
-Salvia 'Phyllis Fancy'
-Salvia urica
-Salvia oxyphora
-Salvia 'Mulberry Jam' (another HUGE hit with our hummers this season---great plant!)

Of course, we have all of the standard salvias---guarantica, greggii, miniata, coccinea, microphylla, darcyii.

Now that the hummers are pretty much gone, we are DONE with gardening until next spring. We envy those of you who can garden year-round, but that will never be us in the Upper Midwest. I'm still trying to think of something positive to say about what we can grow here.

Enjoy your winter gardening and hummers everyone and thank you for all of your kind support this year.



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Michael and Kathi Rock
Madison, WI
Zone 5

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Tom
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Hummingbird Member 2006

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 7 2013, 6:29 AM 

The "Margies" are in places that are difficult for me to see, Becky, so I don't really know how many visits they received. I know they got some.

Kathy, you still have a few hummers, no? If not, I hope you can enjoy the rest that fall and winter bring in Wisconsin. I'm sure the leaves are beautiful now, no?

I'm pretty laid up now with back problems. I had a friend hack though a path in my back yard yesterday. The hamelia patens are now at least ten feet high and some reach 15 feet. The hummers really like them.

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Richard Dufresne
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Salvia mexicana x involucrata Raven

October 7 2013, 9:27 AM 

Nancy, I've had the same experience with Raven as you did. It was a lovely plant, but did not do well over the winter in my greenhouse, and I lost it. Mind you, my greenhouse is not regulated with automatic venting and heating. I can't afford the investment of a second electric service these days; I also rent property a mile from where I rent my residence.


 
 
Becky
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Hummingbirder 2008

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 7 2013, 10:30 PM 

Kathi and Michael - I think your photos are beautiful. Wished I could get some good photos of the hummers using blooms. Always so pretty compared to just a feeder shot.

Tom - I am sorry to hear about your back issue. I you start feeling better ASAP! I am just now trying to catch up on yard work. My yard literally looks like a jungle in some areas. I still can't do any heavy pruning with my right hand/arm. But I am trying to do everything else. If I was a hummer, I'd be all over those Margies of yours! Beautiful sight!

Richard - I hear you about paying for heating (or in my case A/C) in more than one place. I've had great luck with any plants I've gotten from you ... at least until I planted them in my lousy ground soil. So many will be potted plants in the future. I will say that several salvias have survived this first year in the ground much to my delight. I always hope for 100% in ground, but that is probably unreasonable here in Central Florida

~Becky~

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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 8 2013, 1:39 PM 

Becky asked: "Nancy - How long have you had your current Margie Griffith? And the one next to it, is it a duplicate of Margie Griffith or is it from seed and not exactly the same?"

NLN: This individual Salvia 'Margie Griffith' is about 2 1/2 years old. I was given the original about 5-6 years ago. The first one was put in a 20-inch terra cotta pot behind some other plants in the front yard. It quickly became very tall and top heavy. A strong wind knocked it over, breaking the tap root that had grown through the drain hole and into the ground.

So, then, I put a started cutting into a 30-inch stone planter outside the office window. In a years time, that plant had grown so large that it blocked my view of the entire back yard. It took considerable effort to deal with that plant, which had fill the entire container with roots as well as sending a root down through the drain hole. Termites had invaded the root system as well.

I had started another one and that one went out back against the cedar fence. Last year, Hurricane Isaac caused it to get far more water than it needed and I thought I was going to lose it, but after a month or so, the plant recovered and bloomed again, into late spring.

At one time, a seedling developed next to the original plant. It was similar in appearance, but the flowers were a bit smaller and not as densely arranged on the stem. This current seedling has not flowered yet, but there are many buds.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
http://www.casacolibri.net/
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Nancy Newfield
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 11 2013, 4:45 PM 

Becky,

I have 2 or 3 young male Ruby-throateds today and they are visiting Salvia 'Margie Griffith' regularly. Yesterday's Rufous/Allen's Selasphorus is a 'no show' today.

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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, Louisiana USA
USDA Zone 9b
http://www.casacolibri.net/
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Tom
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Hummingbird Member 2006

Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 12 2014, 11:00 PM 

I'm reviving this thread. We were posting about Margie at this same time last year. This year my plants are just starting to bloom. It looks like they are going to be very pretty. How about yours Becky? Nancy? Have yours grown and are they starting to bloom?

Tom Central Florida, Zone 9B
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Becky
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 12 2014, 11:47 PM 

Tom - I was just thinking of posting a photo or two today. Mine are really starting to bloom. I have 4 in my backyard. The ones that get mostly all day sun are just loaded with blooms. The one is shade is looking pretty sad and gangly. I hope I don't lose it. This Salvia and Lavender Lace Salvia just blow my mind with the size of the plant and the amount of blooms. A real stunner in the garden in the Fall. Lavender Lace will probably start blooming in another month or two.

Here is a close-up of one of my currently blooming Margie G.

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From a distance, you can see how really big this plant is. Pretty amazing actually. Mine aren't quite as large as yours, but the abundance of blooms is what makes this plant so amazing! Thanks again, Nancy, for sharing this plant with me! I just love it! I would be delighted to catch a hummer using the blooms. None of the happy plants are in my view from a window. So ... I need to find the time to sit out in my garden one morning or afternoon to see if it garners any action from the hummers.

From a distance:

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~Becky~
Sebastian, Florida USA
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Nancy L Newfield
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 13 2014, 11:43 AM 

First let me reiterate that this fine plant is not commercially available and the name is an informal one. Then, I will say that I lost my large plant in one of last winter's freezes. Tom kindly sent me some cuttings from his plants, all of which rooted and prospered. I kept 2 and passed the rest along to others who had also lost their 'Margie Griffith' plants.

The 2 plants that I retained have grown well. I have them side by side along the back fence. One is more than 6 feet tall while the other is more than 5 feet tall. Both are covered with buds that have not yet shown color. It might well be another week or so before they reach their full glory.

Meanwhile, a seedling came up near the site of last year's plant. It is about 4 feet tall, covered with buds, the first of which opened this morning. In the past, a few seedlings have volunteered and none was as floriferous as the original. This seedling will be allowed to stay so I can evaluate its merit.

Salvia 'Margie Griffith' is truly a treasure for the zone 8 to 10 hummingbird gardener, but it won't be of much value to anyone north of those zones. Flowering is seldom initiated before October and the plant cannot take a lot of cold. I hope that a winterer will come along soon to help me enjoy this F2 hybrid.
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Nancy L Newfield
Casa Colibrí
Metairie, LA USA
nancy@casacolibri.net
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Roger Hammer
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 13 2014, 3:46 PM 

Becky, if you grow Salvia madrensis you won't need to plant any other salvias for hummingbirds. Plus, it'll probably choke all of the other ones out anyway! [linked image] Mine is about six feet tall and has taken over a space about 14' in all directions. The flowers are yellow and tubular and last about seven months out of the year. If you let it run amok you'll have to call in for air strikes to keep it under control. Hummers visit it constantly.

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Ward Dasey
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Re: Margie Griffith Salvia

October 13 2014, 3:52 PM 

Beware the Green-eyed Monster. One could almost come to hate gardeners in zone 9 and warmer. Rub it in why don't you!

 
 
 
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