Thew Aurora Tigers were "robbed" tonight in Newmarket before 625 witnesses and the Cops weren't even called. The Tigers had to beat 21 players tonight, 20 wearing Hurricane sweaters and one wearing black and white stripes. The Cats outplayed, outskated and outshot the Hurricanes 53 to 36 but couldn't beat Sean McQuigge. Wayne Savage set a new record for knocking the net off in a game which I'm sure even surpassed Stouffville's Dan McWhinney's record. I counted 14 times, but the number ranged from 12 to 17 depending on who you talked to. In that department, the Hurricanes beat the Tigers, according to my count, 14 to 2 on knocking the net off. Now, you would think that when a net is knocked off that many times, at least one of the times a penalty would be called, no sir not one penalty was called. The "killer" came in the last min of the 3rd period when the Tigers scored what appeared to be the winning goal, but wait a minute, my God the net came off for the 14th to 17th time and the goal was disallowed by McQuigge. There was not one Tiger near the net, only one Hurricane player and Savage. You would think that if the net came off it had to be Savage or the other Hurricane player. After McQuigge disallowed the goal, he directs the face off in the Newmarket end indicating that the net was knocked off by a Newmarket player. If a Tiger player knocked it off the faceoff would have been outside the blueline. So who knocked the net off? it was very clear it was Savage and since there was less than 2 mins remaining, there should have been a penalty shot called "a la" Lindsay/Port Hope game several nights ago. Apparently after talking to people who watched the game on Rogers TV, it was very clear to all including the commentators that the goal was in the net before the net was knocked off. Maybe there will be a protest lodged by the Tigers who knows, Lindsay won their protest and were awarded a penalty shot before the next game.

It doesn't end there, in the O/T McQuigge indicated a face off outside the Tiger's blueline after the puck got hung up in the net behind Barton off of Brian Soso. Everyone skated out for the face off, McQuigge changed his mind, and pointed for the faceoff back in the Tiger's end. The winning goal resulted from the new faceoff position. Apparently the referee in chief was at the game, hopefully he had something to say to McQuigge after the game.

Anyway enough talk about the refereeing, S**T happens and we move on.

The game was a contiuation of last year's Semi Final. Don't go away folks this series could surpass last year's great series, and definitely has the markings to go 7 games. Anyone who thought that the Hurricanes would win this one quickly should have their heads read (are you listening "gohurricanesgo")? First star for the Hurricanes was Brian Soso with a goal and an assist. The Tigers will have to work on containing big Brian, if they do, the Tigers will win. The other goals for Newmarket were scored by Patterson, McClelland and Hosmer with the winner, from Soso, at the 14.20 mark of the overtime. Hosmer also contributed 3 assists for a 4 pt night. For the Cats it was Jeff Harbach, Mark Thorburn and Jordan Watts with a goal apiece. Thorburn added 2 assists for a 3 pt night. Why Wayne Savage was not the 1st star stopping 50 shots and knocking the net off 12 to 17 times and getting away with it is beyond me, he should have gotten a medal never mind a star, he made McWhinney look like an amateur. Aaron Barton was solid in net for the Tabbies stopping 32 of 36 but could only manage two "net knock offs". Hopefully he can improve on that tomorrow night. In the "hitting the goal post" department, the Tigers rang 3 posts, the Hurricanes chalked up 1.

Unless you have a "hot" date Friday night, I would suggest that you drive to Aurora to watch the Tigers and Hurricanes go at each other again. Their games are becoming "classics".

Aurora, ACC1 at 7.30pm, BE THERE!!


GO TIGERS GO

The protest was with Bowmanville and Peterborough, not Lindsay and Port Hope.

Knocking the net off drives me nuts too, although some would suggest that I should try it more often in our Sunday MOrrning pick up games, it would help my goals against!

Thanks for correcting me, I guess that I was so upset last night I forgot the teams involved, of course you are right.

In my day you couldn't knock the nets off as they were securely anchored which resulted in a lot of serious injuries which was not a good thing. The present anchoring system is good with regards to injuries etc, the problem is the refs hardly ever call a deliberate "knocking off" by the goaltenders, resulting in a lot of goaltenders practising this art. Only Wayne Savage knows how many deliberate "knock offs" he performed last night, but hey, he got away with it, more power to him, if I was a goaltender I would be knocking the net off everytime the opposition came within 20 feet of my net or as they crossed the blueline on a dangerous rush.

The joke was after about the 6th knock off by Savage, McQuigge warned both benches about it and then allowed about 10 more. I guess his warning went something like this. "OK guys 10 or 15 more of those and I may consider a penalty, and don't do it in the last 2 mins of the game or I may assess a penalty shot"!! Couldn't understand why the Tigers were warned at that point, they only net that turned into a "revolving door" was the Hurricanes'. Savage didn't have a favourite net either, he did it at both ends. I saw Savage limping after the game, I guess his feet and legs were bruised from "kicking iron".

I don't care whether you are a Hurricane fan or a Tiger fan, you have to admit the disallowed goal with less than a minute left in the 3rd, which probably would have been the winner, was a deliberate "knock off" of the net by either Savage or the other Hurricane player that was in the vicinity, there wasn't a Tiger within 10 feet of the net.

Can't wait for tonight, I have all ready called off my "hot date".

Lets get the story straight here, the reason Savage was sore after the game was the number of times he was run by the tigers. When that happens he has the option of knocking the net off or taking the hit, any "smart" goalie would take option A, if the ref does not first call a penalty for running him.

Also though the tigers hit 3 posts, they are part of goalies equipment, and the canes hit a post too.

As for Aaron "the spear" Barton not knocking the net off, that is because he is too focused on using his stick on passing players.

Anyhow, there was no robbery, the game could have gone either way, and if the tigers get 100 shots tonight maybe they an get a few past savage.

enough said......gonna be a great game....dont ya date miss it!

Although I tuned in at 7:30,it turns out the game was tape delayed on my cable 63, and by the time I switched back, after a basketball game,(CIS), it was halfway through the 3rd. I don't know what happened the rest of the way, but with 30 secs left and a Tiger goal in the net, Mcquigge calls it off. I knew right there this had likely been going on all game.
It is a shame whenm a "ref" becomes the "star", or non-star really, of the game.
I hope the league was watching, although the gutless wonders at the head of this league will not do a damn thing. All I would like to know is when will the referees stop trying to steal the show?

This seemed like it was a game that actually lived up to the hype, only to be undermined by a wannabee.

OK "rickthebear" what do you think of this?

McQuigge did not warn the goaltenders about knocking the nets off as we all thought when he went to the benches, instead he actually gave them a licence to do it. The conversation went something like this "I'm not going to call the nets being knocked off, both goalies are ex OHL goalies and they move side to side very aggressively".

Hello, that's like saying to the fox "here's the keys to the henhouse, don't worry I'm not going to shoot you, take as many chickens as you like". Obviously Savage took full advantage of McQuigge's comment. McQuigge should be suspended and not be allowed to do another playoff game after a comment like that.

Further, if you watched the re-run of the Rogers broadcast later, you would have seen and heard the commentators, who are pro Newmarket by the way, say "Oh my God that puck was in the net before the net was knocked off", and after regulation time "The Tigers really won this one, we should be going home not into overtime".

I'm betting the video tape will be sent to the OPJHL and a protest filed by the Tigers ASAP. Too bad, McQuigge ruined an otherwise great game.

Look for a rough one in Aurora tonight.

Solution is to get Hobar to ref the next game.

Are you serious? You do that and one team will be crying they got 5 stupid consecutive penalties in a ten minute span of the game.

I can't wait to see what excuse will be used when the Tigers lose their second game.

Hobar the Horrible? Surely you jest!

But seriously, I think it's safe to say that if the shoe were on the other foot (that is if it were Barton getting away with murder by knocking the net off on every second rush) this would be a dead issue with Tigers fans. In fact, there would probably be no mention of it and his name would be used in the same sentence as Roy, Brodeur and Luongo. it would be "just another hockey play" as they say.

Yes, the disallowed goal was a poor call but what are you going to do about it the day after? Especially on the internet and with a chance for redemption tonight? That's right, nothing. Aurora lost in overtime last night on a weak goal by Hosmer set up by the "Tiger Killer" and Public Enemy #1 anywhere South of Mulock Brian Soso, done deal! Go Canes Go!

Solution is, mandate the teams in the OHA to use the Marsh Peg System as used in the NHL and we would not be having this conversation. This has been going on since Mobby Dick was a Guppy and it will continue until they correct it at a league level.

cant help but remember last year when gordon was kicking the net off. i have no sympathy for the tigers on this one.

the moral of the story, come out tonight and pound the canes.

I'm wondering whether Savage's grandfather is Bob Savage who was also a goalie with the St Mike's Majors. Bob and I played on the same Major's team back in the late 50's, back when you couldn't knock the nets off (heh, heh). I'm sure that Bob Savage was from St Thomas, Ontario as is Wayne.

Just interested if anyone does know.

Come on Craig buddy, even the "imfamous" Dan McWhinney didn't knock the net off as many times as Savage did last night. And Gordon? Gordon couldn't carry McWhinney's or Savage's skates when it comes to knocking off the net.

If it were the Otters on the receiving end of McQuigge's "bull***t" last night, you would have been on the ice. You would have to dip into your long term memory to recall a worst called game.

But as you say the way to get back is to come out tonight with guns blazing, which I'm sure the Cats will.

Don't take the Spirit lightly tonight, they are a solid team of late and will be tough.

Ciao

i have seen many a game ruined by a referee but i enjoy taking a shot at your tigers whenever i get the chance. you should be used to that by now.

I think you have made your point. The referees should watch for intentional net dislodges from here on in in this series.

You sound very much like the Pat Quinn, in his days in Toronto. Often, when he thought his team needed a boost, he went on a rave about the officiating.

He made his point eloquently during post game press conferences. Lo and behold, sure enough, the nest game the officials were out to correct his idea of deficiencies.

It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. When you think you are getting shafted, make a big production out of it. You might not change any of the calls that were made up to that point but you just get something called in your favour later.

Not that I don't say you have a point with the nets. I did not see the game. But Sean McQuigge is probably one of the best referees the OPJHL has and is generally highly regarded.

In fact, I am absolutely sure that CSTR and Nutmeg might have been more than happy to have seen him reffing the 5th and deciding game of the Toronto/North York series.

It's the playoffs and things are heating up. Aurora are not liked by many because of all their previous success. Much like St. Michael's and Wellington. So don't expect a lot of sympathy for your case.

I can imagine that both Huntsville and Stoufville are watching with great interest.

Wayjoy

Amazing that no one has made a comment about McQuigge's comments to the two coaches regarding not calling any goal net infractions, very odd that everybody just takes his comments for granted.

Don't know who the referee will be tonight, maybe he will tell the coaches that there will be no fighting penalties called, then everybody can go at each other and have a real good time. Don't laugh, after last night nothing would surprise me.

Oh, by the way, McQuigge was told about his actions last night by the league and other referees have been told that net infractions must be called so Savage will have to clean up his act or the Canes will be in the box all evening.

Personally I think nobody's commented on McQuigge's comments to the coaches because thus far it's only you saying it happened. We've had the talking to on there about 'rumours' have we not?
But at least Aurora ran to the league again - McQuigge got his 'talking to' - heaven forbid Aurora dislike his game and he get away with that...

Amazing that no one has made a comment about McQuigge's comments to the two coaches regarding not calling any goal net infractions, very odd that everybody just takes his comments for granted.

Don't know who the referee will be tonight, maybe he will tell the coaches that there will be no fighting penalties called, then everybody can go at each other and have a real good time. Don't laugh, after last night nothing would surprise me.

Oh, by the way, McQuigge was told about his actions last night by the league and other referees have been told that net infractions must be called so Savage will have to clean up his act or the Canes will be in the box all evening.

For your information "Nutmeg", I got McQuigge's comments to the two benches, from coaches that were on BOTH benches. Who could even make up a story like that, certainly not I. The comments about the refs being told came right from the league. So I would appreciate you not implying that I am lying about the situation, it doesn't become you.

I never implied you were lying. I'm saying that nobody else is commenting because nobody else heard anything.... reread please

Or maybe, just maybe the real reason nobody is commenting on McQuigge's comment, however ridiculous it may have sounded to those of you in the know who heard it (second hand mind you), is the fact that nobody cares outside of Aurora fans? And really, how dare they be unfairly treated by officials! (tongue firmly in cheek on that one)

Teams need to control the things that they are able to in order to win. You have no control over officiating so the ball is in your court.

what i am most curious about is what sanctions will come against SMC57 and the Aurora Tigers for his rant on Referee McQuigge! i understand there are clear policies about team officials (which SMC57 has made clear in the past that he is) as well the 'special' relationship between himself and the aurora coach makes his commentary all the more "interesting" as it appear on here he is the "official" voice of the tigers with access to specific information not normally available to the public-at-large.

i know of at least one other team where a team official (not even involved in game day) made public writtem comment in the past to a much lesser degree than the smc57 rant and she was fined and sanctioned by the league. if what said above is allowed to go unpunished, it is a most "foul" odour which is rising from the league.

$$PM87$$

PM87, your comments are very, very interesting.

1st, I am not a team official, I am an UNPAID volunteer.

2nd, the Forum is NOT a conduit to the "public at large", it is a closed PRIVATE discussionary group of OPJHL hockey fans. My comments, your comments and everybody else's comments on the Forum are of a PRIVATE nature and are NOT open to the "public at large".

3rd, I am NOT the official "voice of the Tigers". I have never and will never make any comments to any PUBLIC news source ie: newspaper, TV station etc.

4th, the person that you refer to making comments, had to have made them through a PUBLIC Media to be reprimanded by the league, and the team that he or she was associated with, fined. Please quote the incident, date, team, charges levied and the fine imposed, if you can.

5th, the comments that I make on the Forum have nothing to do with the Tiger coaching staff, they are my personal opinions only. I have never related any opinions from the Tiger coaching staff, or management, on the Forum.

6th, and this is some free legal advice, if you are going to make comments publically or otherwise on any subject, person etc, you have nothing to fear if the comments are TRUE. If McQuigge wants to deny what he said, I invite him to do so, there are a whole team of witnesses available.

And finally with reference to McQuigge's comments, anyone sitting close to the Tiger bench would have heard his comments. Where do I sit at the Canes games? right behind the Tiger player's bench and as you know, or don't know, the back of the player's benches at the Ray Twinney do not have a glass barrier behind them to block the sound.

One final piece of advice that may help you enjoy the remainder of the great hockey in the OPJHL,

GET A GRIP.

From "OHA Blueline" December 2007

"IMPORTANT NOTICE
PUBLIC DEROGATORY REMARKS RE: OFFICIALS
The OHA Board has noticed a growing concern with respect to public derogatory remarks
being made by team personnel about officials.
It was felt the fines are not large enough to discourage the practice, which appears to be
growing.
Please note the fines have been increased from $1000.00 to $5000.00 and/or the team
official(s) responsible be suspended.
The motion as was approved to be effective December 1, 2007"

If you have an OHA Coach/GM/Exec pass...that means you. Did you pay to get in to Newmarket or did you get in for free under staff pretenses? If you paid to get in...feel free to say what you feel. If you used your pass or bypassed the entrance using the belief you are staff and entitled...uh oh.

$$PM87$$

1 last thing: you say this is a "closed PRIVATE discussionary group of OPJHL hockey fans"
- wrong anyone is free to read what you post, they just must join to post for themselves. so your comments are PUBLIC domain.

$$PM87$$

Next subject, please.  Let's hope we never have a date with Judge PM87.  He's got a chip on his shoulder...and maybe a wee bit cranky, too.

 

Why move on when PM87 is right?

right about what ??

"PM87"

You are obviously not a lawyer. Show me where any "derogatory" remarks were made about McQuigge. Everything that was in my thread were truthful facts only. Please point out the "derogatory" remarks, that's if you know the meaning of the word, where anything was said to disparage, discredit or insult Mr. McQuigge. My remarks were no different than any coach, mgr, fan etc, in the NHL or any hockey league, voicing an opinion on a referee's performance in a game. If you had to make your living on lawsuits resulting from such inane comments, you would starve pretty quick.

I have always considered McQuigge one of the best in the OPJHL, but was totally surprised at his words to the 2 benches regarding the goal nets in light of what happened after his talk.

Very strange that not one net was knocked off last night in Aurora. Can hardly wait to see how many go astray on Sunday afternoon in Newmarket, probably not many since the referees have been alerted to call the infraction for the remainder of the playoffs. So you see sometime protests lead to action, for the better, I might add.

By the way, I love Mr Wahoo's comment, "right about what"?

He's right about this being a public forum.

Exhibit "A"

Your words:

"McQuigge should be suspended and not be allowed to do another playoff game after a comment like that."
"McQuigge ruined an otherwise great game."
"The Cats outplayed, outskated and outshot the Hurricanes 53 to 36 but couldn't beat Sean McQuigge."

Similar sounding words from the NHL about very very similar criticisms: (key in on what McTavish said)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2649560

Oilers, Thrashers coaches fined for criticizing referees
Associated Press

Updated: November 4, 2006, 5:01 PM ET
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NEW YORK -- Edmonton Oilers coach Craig MacTavish and Atlanta Thrashers coach Bob Hartley each were fined $10,000 by the NHL on Saturday for criticizing officials.

On Friday night, MacTavish snapped after referee Mick McGeough called off Ales Hemsky's goal with only seconds left in the third period. McGeough blew the whistle a moment before during a faceoff, convinced that Shawn Horcoff made a glove pass off the draw. It was something replays showed didn't occur.

"I know he is a veteran official and at times I have found his antics humorous, but if this is the product of that, there is a problem," MacTavish said after the game. "It was a ridiculous call."

MacTavish also said McGeough "should be suspended."

McGeough acknowledged he blew the call, saying, "My judgment was poor on the play."

"While the NHL regrets the missed call, Craig MacTavish's comments after the game regarding the call were totally inappropriate and crossed the line," Colin Campbell, the league's director of hockey operations, said in a statement.

Hartley was assessed a gross misconduct penalty and fined for verbal abuse of the officials at the end of the Thrashers' game against Washington on Friday night.

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

"PM87"

The one thing that you fail to get through your head is that all the comments made were based on and were a direct result of McQuigge's comments to the two benches. The comments, that I keep pointing out, were "verbatim". Since his comments form a foundation, any action would not have "a snowball's chance in hell" of succeeding, and I don't think Mr. McQuigge would want to be questioned on the accuracy of his comments under oath. Sean knows what he said, the teams know what he said, the league knows what he said, and they have dealt with it.

Now, run away and come back with something else that we can debate, I love it.

"MacTavish also said McGeough "should be suspended."
McGeough acknowledged he blew the call, saying, "My judgment was poor on the play."

you said:

"McQuigge should be suspended and not be allowed to do another playoff game after a comment like that."
and i totally missed:
"on the receiving end of McQuigge's "bull***t" last night"

McTavish/Edmonton was fined $10,000 for those same words. You have been somehow granted immunity by the OPJHL Survior Tribe for the exact same words. HMMM.

$$PM87$$

Am I reading this right ??

PM is now comparing SMC57 to Craig McTavish ??

Noooo... can't be.....


I need some oxygen between chuckles and snorts here.

SMC said up there "everything that was in my thread ws truthful facts"

Since when is:
"should be", "ruined", "outplayed", "outskated", "couldn't beat Sean McQuigge" facts?
None of those are concret, all sounds like opinions to me? For someone who thinks he knows the legal system obviously isn't aware of the difference of fact vs. opinion.

Wow, tell me something that I don't know. Of course there are opinions and facts, but opinions are based on fact. When I referred to the truth I was not referring to the opinions, I was referring to the facts only, there is a big difference. All you list are the opinions. Please use a bit of common sense when you are being a critic.

I have to say some of your opinions are fairly derogatory. It does not matter if they are based on a factual statement or not. It can still be seen as slander. You then claim that you were refering to the fact that you heard Mcguigge say that to both benches, but you ignore the fact that your statement is fairly demeaning towards a very solid referee. In your eyes that's ok though because you heard him make that statement to the benches. Did I get that right?

In the end though you fail to see that you represent the tigers as a volunteer and therefore your actions represent the tigers.


Toronto Maple Leafs= Ford Motor Company

Was wonderting when I would hear from you Matty. Your comments are very interesting also.

1) "fairly derogatory" wow, never heard that one before, it is either derogatory or it isn't. Love to see a judge deal with that one.

2) Something can be slanderous even though the facts that it is based on are true. I think not. If I accuse you of being a "bank robber" and it is subsequently proven you are a "bank robber" then there is no slander.

3) McQuigge's comments to the benches. Forget my comment, unless 50 guys on the benches have bad ears, his comments stand as quoted.

4) Every team files with the OPJHL each year the names of their officials, owners, coaches, trainers etc. I am NOT listed on that form, therefore I am not liable. If I am liable, then every Tiger fan in the stands is liable since they are in the same position. Show me a form signed by the Tigers or me, stating that I have the authority to bind the Corporation, in this case the Tiger Organization, if not forget it.

This issue is really getting to be "BORING".

It's the playoffs and such heated discussions are common place.

Here's some food for thought, while we pause to catch our collective breath.

From John-Rogers and Peter McWilliams, You Can't Afford the Luxury of a Negative Thought: Quotes on Expression

"Only complain to someone who can do something about it... Effective complaining helps keep your conversations on the positive side of the street. With some people you may find you have nothing to talk about."

Wayjoy

So true Wayne, so true.

I'm still trying to grasp with being compared to Craig McTavish!!

Love your quotes, they are very good.

"BORING"? and yet you went to such lengths to get the thread rolling?

Toronto Maple Leafs= Ford Motor Company

so true matty b so true! it becomes "boring" when it no longer suits his purposes. yet he continues to ramble and prattle on about it on other posts and forums. when blinded by "les or et noirs" he cant seem to fathom that what he said was wrong no matter how clear it is to everyone else.

Its especially interesting to note that SMC57 says:

"Every team files with the OPJHL each year the names of their officials, owners, coaches, trainers etc. I am NOT listed on that form, therefore I am not liable. If I am liable, then every Tiger fan in the stands is liable since they are in the same position. Show me a form signed by the Tigers or me, stating that I have the authority to bind the Corporation, in this case the Tiger Organization, if not forget it."

Does this sound like the kind of information a "fan" would have or a team insider? Also consider fans pay to be at games, SMC57, I presume, does not by virtue of his pass. There is a significant difference!



$$PM87$$

You guys just don't get it do you!!

Anyone who is a lawyer, has been in business for years, has coached and played for years, has served on Hockey Executives for years, has sponsored countless teams at Junior "A" and Minor level over the past 45 years, owned a Junior "A" team, may just know something about hockey, liability etc.

Duh, of course the average fan wouldn't know the 1st thing about what I said re: Liability etc, etc, but I am not, obviously, your average fan. Are you guys average fans?

Maybe, just maybe you guys might get it now, but then maybe not, but give it a try, put your collective minds together and maybe something will twig in.

Hate to leave you, love chatting with you boys, but I'm off to Florida play that other game that you play on grass. I will be in touch, and back in time to see the Tigers in the finals, I hope.

OHHH the silence will be intolerable!

sincerely tho, enjoy the time down south we all wish it was us.

$$PM87$$

Some people feel you are quite haughty and it's coming over pretty thick. Whether it's on purpose or not it's still coming across that way. I'd take a look into it.

Toronto Maple Leafs= Ford Motor Company

Wow. Win the RBC one year and can't even stick around to watch the Tigers get eliminated because lawn bowling calls. Or is it polo?

Thank you boys, you know you guys are pretty funny, you should be on the stage, there is one leaving in a half an hour. (old joke)

Seriously though, it will hurt to miss the Tigers in the next round, however unfortunately or fortunately, I do have another life, BUT if the lads get in trouble or it's a crucial game in the series, I may just hop a plane and get back for it, it may cost me big time and I don't mean in the wallet.

I know that they will all miss my announcing at the ACC, but that's life, JUST KIDDING, my back ups Dave or Gene will do a great job.

GO TIGERS GO

BTW -

Vaughan kicked the net off last night half a second before what would have been a really nice Waxer's goal. Nothing was called. Guess Gauthier wasn't given the "League's Warning" as SMC said he would....