Bramalea (daddy)
Georgetown (corrupt coaches, GM & bought positions)
Hamilton (daddy & **** GM)
Milton (daddy times 2)
Oakville (daddy times 2 or 3?)
Streetsville (daddy times 2 & ultra **** GM)
Port Hope (daddy)
Kingston (daddy may decide goalie son is ready)
Cobourg (was **** with a daddy GM apparently new owners & staff))
Lindsay (daddy)
Bowmanville (daddy)
Quinte (daddy)
St. Michaels (will be daddy coach)
Ajax (daddy)
Durham (did have a daddy GM, but now gone)
Markham (daddy coach)
Vaughan (daddy?? mommy?? well corruption is virtually guaranteed)
Toronto (daddy)
Pickering (daddy)
I believe the issue with the OPJHL & their reduced scholarship has more to do with the lack of motivation from the league & teams to promote players. In addition the questionable motivations of some of the parent/owners.
Of the approx 40 2008 & after recruits 29 come from 5 teams. That is just under 75% from 5 teams. The remaining 25% from 30 teams?
In addition some of the players that are going are questionable. You have one dimensional offensive players that do not even average 1 point a game on a top team & almost half the points come on the PP. You have others forwards that average about 1/2 a point per game. Another is a defenceman with zero lateral movement & overall weak skills. I know some kids may not have the grades or may be ineligible, but there is some good talent yet to find a spot.
It seems to me that if we did not have any fathers who own teams putting forth the cash to finance teams we would not have any league. This may be a case of " be careful what you wish for " ...... We do not want the league to fold.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. As I said in an earlier post....who else is going to buy a OPJHL team and lose THOUSANDS of dollars every year? The reality is, whether we like it or not, this is probably the only way we can keep this league going.
Later comment ... yes. Maybe no league without these parents.
Sad state of affairs.
It also amazes me how much some of you know about the running of this league. I follow a team ... and listen to the buzz (no pun intended) around the rink, but ... never realized how 'propped up' this league is.
Question ... are the other Jr A leagues as bad as this?
If you don't like the daddy thing, spend $100,000 to buy a team, and spend $300-400,000 a yar to run it properly.Then you will a right to bitch about it.Until then, let the "daddys" spend their money the way they want to!! Also, if the "daddys" weren't here to own the team, would we have a viable league? Guys like you really have no reason to complain.You probably don't even support your local team
Other Jr.A leagues are not this bad, mind you many do not have as many teams as the OPJHL. Here are the guys who run the teams in the NOJHL. Keep in mind that many of these teams are community owned.:
Abitibi Eskimos (no sons on the team):
GM/Head Coach-Paul Gagne
Blind River Beavers (no sons on the team):
GM-Don Lees Jr.
Head Coach-Todd Stencill
Manitoulin Islanders (no sons on the team):
GM-Jacques Lamothe
Head Coach-Reggie Leach
North Bay Skyhawks (no sons on the team):
GM-Guy Blanchard
Head Coach-Ian Swalucynski
Soo Thunderbirds (no sons on the team):
GM-Al Jones
Head Coach-Pat Carricato
Sudbury Jr. Wolves (no sons on the team):
GM-Oscar Clouthier
Head Coach-Dave Clancy
craigshaw45 (Login craigshaw45) Registered Members
Re: Untitled
March 16 2008, 4:48 PM
does it really cost 300-400 thousand to run a team?
If a parent owns a team there is nothing to indicate the league is staying viable. I have witnessed a large increase in parent owned teams, but no increase in the viability of the league. In fact the league is becoming less & less viable. From what I am seeing is the league is losing the interest of the fans, the scouts & now its most important commodity, qualified players.
On a few occasions I watched one parent owned team playing. The interest of the ownership was so blatently centred on their offspring that I could not continue to watch the game. I have attended about 100 games this year & the only thing I got from that game was, pissed off that a team would embarass the game of hockey so much for their own personal motivation.
The agenda of 95% of parent owned teams is about one thing only & that has nothing to do with the success or existence of the league. As soon as the parents son is done he will just flip the team to the next parent.
Paid attendance, community sponsorship and shrewd fiscal management are all factors needed to break even or perhaps make a small profit it any junior league.
One thing that is a true reflection of the support a team gets is the number of people who come out to watch the games. Certain franchises always have great numbers while others do not. Other levels of junior hockey are doing quite well. Last Saturday evening for example about 900 people showed up for game 4 in Napanee for game 4 of the Empire League finals vs Amherstview. With a 50-50 prize of almost $800.00. Not bad for the farm club of an OPJHL team.
If you are so upset about "daddy" teams, go and buy a team, and run it the way you think it should be run.There will always be that element of favouritism among teams that are owned by parents.But, unless they are real dumb, or real rich, they also want to win games.The bottom line is,they want some venuse for their kids to play advanced hockey in, other than OMHA teams. Surely , you can't blame a father for buying a team , so his kids can play hockey, while getting well coached,chances for scholarships, and not having to be far away from home,just in order to play hockey?? I also think your 95% factor is a little high.I also have seen many games this year.You tell me if Bowmanville has made good players sit, while the owners kids plays?? I never saw it happen.It was all about winning, then the kid.Young Finney had sat out many games this year, because, he was not ready.From what I see, we should count our lucky stars, there are fathers willing to step up, and pay the heavy price to keep good tier 2 hockey in small towns.I for one am very grateful to the local owners for keeping hockey here. Unless you have an alternative, we have to go with the status quo.
No point in arguing these points, we are on opposite poles on this one.
I guess I just do not agree with people that think there is nothing wrong with that element of favouritism among teams that are owned by parents.
Maybe things are done a little more subtely in the east. Come to the GTA & they do not care how obvious the favouritism is & it is a hell of a lot more than an element. It will expand outward from the GTA as well.
With respect to the 95%. How many minor hockey parent/ coaches keep coaching once their kid is through hockey? Most were nowhere near the rink before Junior started playing & will be nowhere near the rink once he is done. It is the same with the parent owners, they have no interest in the league or their teams without their kids. Once their kid is done they will dump that team off to the next parent owner who could not give a **** about the league or team either.
Whatever, they own the team it is there prerogative to do what ever they want & we should be counting our lucky stars & be grateful to them as they prance off to get the lube.
