awwefully quiet about it on here. but that seems to be the consensus too "out there" that the attendance of the scouts was markedly reduced. an informal non scientific survey of the scouts at the cchl event in bowmanville found that most schools/chl/pro teams had no or little interest in the other side and didnt have any plans to send someone there. to paraphrase/quote one scout "who wants to go see an aurora/oakville game where the majority of players are ineligible and of limited draft potential at the end of their junior careers"
Funny, after being in junior hockey for a number of years and getting to know a lot of coaches, I saw a lot of familiar faces Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the OJHL event.
There was a reduced number of scouts on Saturday, which makes perfect sense since the CCHL event was for one day.
Schools I talked to said they would have a representative at both events.
Also, for someone to use Oakville and Aurora as examples, well, is simply misinformed. Oakville has been at or near the top regarding the number of scholarships in all of Jr. A hockey in this province for the last five years. Aurora, has moved a number of guys on as well.
I'm personally getting rather bored of this slagging of each league by a number of people on these forums.
Hey PM, you are full of "s**t" up to your ears and the rest is for growing hair.
There were a lot of scouts at the Oakville Showcase. After the Aurora/Oakville game one commented to me that this was Junior "A" hockey at it's best. He had attended the Bomanville Showcase and when I asked him how is was, his comment was "not bad for a Midget hockey".
If 90% of the CCHL teams had played either Aurora or Oakville last night they wouldn't have been within 6-8 goals of either of them. The difference in the play is absolutely "glaring".
I hear the Dixie/Ajax game was something to behold. I hear from spectators that most of the other games weren't any better. Any comment PM?
kev..i agree which is why last year, and this past summer i offered to stand down from the forums if smc57 did...and he refused. my offer still stands but when smc57 constantly slags, it just warrants a retort does it not? just go back and check his posts out from the last couple of weeks...and when confronted with diminishing "facts" to support him he vapourizes from a topic.
some truth there wayne, but those nuggets are few and far between. mostly its either tiger humping or cchl bashing and calling people names or otherwise. ive personally refrained from calling him (or anyone) names...but not everyone can say the same, right smc57. and i meant "predictable as the sun" we know the rain is unpredictable normally (not in this summer of soggy).
Hey PM, I'm the accountant, obviously you can't count, you started this thread with your comment not me or have you also lost your senses?
Maybe one of these days you will find your "cull**ns" and reveal who you are, but having dealt with your kind for many years, I doubt that your identity will be forthcoming ever.
Either come out or go back under your rock, I don't like dealing with people who hide behind a "mask".
You sure picked the right "logo" for your login, you need a "mask".
First, PM87, it was not necessary to start this thread as a way to slag the OJAHL. It was uncalled for, as the constant CCHL bashing that caused the bickering back and forth all summer long has died down since the season started. There was no reason to bring it all back out again.
Kev, I do appreciate your comments, however the event in Oakville was the OJAHL event, not the OJHL event. The original event, as planned by the OJHL before it was split in two by fifteen teams who took the OHA's ball and went home, was the one in Bowmanville. The Oakville showcase was created by the OJAHL later as a way of firing the cannonball across the hull of the Central's ship, which resulted in the split.
SMC, no scout worth his salt would make a comment like "It's not bad for midget hockey" or anything similar. In fact, every scout that I know and spoke to at the Bowmanville event spoke of the high quality of hockey seen from both leagues so far, so either you made that quote up or the scout you spoke to is not a very reputable scout, or is very unprofessional in his work. I notice you aren't willing to put a name to that "quote", either. I would be willing to bet it came from a scout employed by an OJAHL team, not anybody from any higher levels.
Sharpie, Sharpie, I know that you are a young guy, but please to say that a scout would not make a comment like that only shows me that you are living in a "fairyland world" of your own. I have dealt with scouts for years as a player, coach, owner etc, man are you "naive".
I've heard the comment from several scouts ever since the CENTRAL/CCHL began.
You seem like a nice chap, but grow up man and smell the roses, your "naivety" is showing.
I just don't know why those 15 teams and their followers do not create their own forum. That way they could pump their tires all day long without the majority and larger league being subject to the constant attack.
Still trying to eliminate someone on this Forum? first it was me personally and now it's the OJAHL. You do have something against "freedom of speech" don't you.
Come on let's face it, if there wasn't some bantering about the CCHL/OJAHL this Forum would be duller than Shapie's "rose coloured" glasses.
In my opinion, and I think someone back a bit made the commemt also, the Forum seems to be losing it's popularity. Just think, without the CCHL/OJAHL controversy, there would be very few threads to read and comment on.
Contrary to my friend PM's remarks, I am fully prepared to act as "Godfather" and call a truce regarding the CCHL/OJAHL stuff, but you will see how dull and unexciting the Forums will get after that.
I turned 72 on September the 5th past, and almost shot my age that day with a 76. Maybe next year, it will get easier as I get older, if I can keep in shape and still hit the ball as I do now.
Funny, I didn't see a birthday card from PM!! it must be still in the mail.
LOL
This message has been edited by wexdog on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 PM
SMC
How did you do on the back 9, only kidding. Happy belated birthday. You know your old when you saw the Leafs last win the Stanley Cup, in black and white.
Cheers
As I recall, I think when the Leafs won in 1967, the CBC was telcasting the Leaf games in colour. I remenber when they installed the high intensity lights to be able to do so, and I did have a colour TV at the time.
Interesting, I will check it out and let you know.
Again, thank you for the belated happy birthday, I feel 20 years younger.
You are only as young as your heart feels, it's our bodies that cheat on us.
Old Greek philosopher once said, 'youth is wasted on the young.'
By the way you saw it in colour, wow that means you saw the original Star Trek in colour.
Remembering playing shinny with the TO Sun oldtimers, and the editorial writer Bob MacDonald played, and not only still had the sharpest elbows but would drop the gloves if he had to. And he was 65 at the time. He was a true blue hockey fan.
I'm still annoyed over the Aurora/Oakville comment. Now that I'm home, I have access to some of the info I was looking for. (Using the leading source of NCAA commitments, Chris Heisenberg's site as reference)
In the last 3 years, Oakville (12) and Aurora (11) have the second and third most scholarships of all Jr. A teams in the OJAHL/CCHL behind St. Mike's. In the last five years, same applies Oakville 16 and Aurora 16 (St. Mike's 24). The last ten years? Aurora is fourth, Oakville sixth.
In fact, of both leagues combined for early commitments for '10-11, there 16 in total so far. Five of those players are on Aurora and Oakville.
BTW, of the 48 rostered players on Oakville and Aurora combined, 6 (by my count) have lost their eligibility for playing in OHL games.
No. I suggested that some better research on those numbers are necessary. A good starting point would be a little east of Toronto. Although you may think so,Toronto and the GTA is not the centre of the universe. LOL. I'll do some checking when I have a chance but I believe the Dukes are right there or surpassing those numbers. Oh, and asking someone to do some research is not saying they made them up.
Reading your post this morning made me realize an error. This is from one of the many personal spreadsheets I maintain, this one being Division I scholarships.
In my haste last night, I had in my mind that I had included scholarships earned in '08-09. However, re-checking this morning I have them seperated.
I will state that I can not guarantee the accuracy of the numbers because not every scholarship is reported and some do change. What I have tried to do over the years is also credit the team where the scholarship was earned. Often teams within their alumni lists will include players that had scholarships when they acquired them or got one when they moved to another team.
When I get home tonight, I will combined the numbers and re-post. For now, considering the above post as the best I could put together from the internet as of the summer of 2008.
I guess if I am a youngster who has ambitions to use the NCAA to further both my education and further my hockey career, I want to go the way of the St. Michael's Buzzers.
Resisting the lure of the OHL as the only means of getting to the next level of hockey has worked for St. Michael's over the years.
Thanks for taking the time, KEV , to collect the numbers.
I cannot help but wonder what all the dire warnings of Buzzguy are all about this year with the Buzzers not being very good. I guess we will see about this year.
And for you PM, according to Kev, only 6 players out of a combined 48 on Aurora/Oakville rosters are ineligible for NCAA. So I guess the scout that you talked to in Bowmanville was full of bull or your comment was, to use a Sharpie's favourite, a "lie".
IMO the scout knew the numbers and your comment was a "lie".
wayjoy, one thing i and many others learned a long time ago is you dont poke the sleeping beast. st mikes loves nothing more than to be underestimated. i saw them play on the weekend and they are rife with young, talented players. just below the surface you can see something starting to happen. confidence. in the hands of young and talented players, scary good things happen. see also pittsburgh, chicago etc. maybe not perfect hockey but exciting to watch all that young talent start to fire up. i will flag them now as the dark horse/team to watch.
also it says something about the old wexford franchise that they still are well above the rest even though they havent existed for 3 seasons now. now that was the ultimate rivalry in our league - st mikes vs wexford / white vs blue collar / michigan vs michigan state / blue vs green / cogliano vs sucharski (anyone besides wex remember their fight?) and so on. two historical powerhouses. i was there for wexfords last game. it was fitting it was against st mikes. the best way i could describe that was two warring neighbours going their own separate ways, and realizing in the end it was the other that made them so good.
newmarket and aurora had something similar but it was based on proximity and didnt dig as deep socially. it was war from proximity. lobbing grenades over walls. smc57 may be big on this rivalry but really it was just about self-promotion "look how much we 'hate' our oppoonent come see the war. stm/wex didnt care if anybody came, for them it was oddly personal.
but thats the old, and now i know there are new rivalries building out there between teams...in time hopefully they will have the same passion that those did.
Those numbers provided part of the story. They are D1 schollys only. A player development formula with D1, D3 and Canadian Universities was my theorem.
"Keep Duke Country Clean"!!!!!!
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Re: Ontario Showcase?
September 23 2009, 10:30 AM
"I want to go the way of the St. Michael's Buzzers"
And that's why the parents are willing to spend the $1500 'development fee'
being charged by StMike's.
and for kev/smc57 its 7 players with chl experience (in games) between the two teams. this obviously doesnt include players who may have been at chl tryouts for longer than 48 hours:
and five of those are with the "tigers development program" to oakville's credit the vast majority of their high end talent is jr a/jr b grown where for aurora the "big 5" are their new core (with a few exceptions mixed in).
dont forget CHL placements, dukester. it all adds up to numbers for a few teams that are head and shoulders above the rest. in that breath, what is common to those that are so successful at advancing players? if winning the RBC in the old formula was the path to advancement, aurora's numbers would be different, right? so maybe the model to advancement is what the cchl is doing and patterned after teams like st. mikes/wellington/wexford(rip) and others. this is the schism in which we see our hockey today.
you cant buy player advancement, but you can buy players and championships. its clear who is who.
Well put. Even the perennial middle of the pack Kingston Vees were nothing until the deep, deep pockets of Rosen entered the picture. Now why would a team suddenly laden with $$ suddenly rise to the top? Hmm.
Hey "conwell" I don't know what your handicap is, mine is currently 7, but I will spot you a shot a hole. I'll go easy on you, we will play a $10.00 nassau with automatic presses, that way if you lose all ways you will only be out $360.00.
You can choose the course and play the up front tees, I'll play the back tees.
"Resisting the lure of the OHL as the only means of getting to the next level of hockey has worked for St. Michael's over the years."
Lest you not forget all the players who the Buzzers have advanced to every level hockey and not just the NCAA ranks. For example, remember if you will, the guy who scored the GWG in the last World Juniors just happened to be an former Buzzer - Matt Halischuk. This list goes on with current players as well.
It is also why, when you advance 12-14 players a year the Buzzers always have to work so hard in keeping their pipelines flowing so that each year's squad is competitive. It is not an easy task but its a worthwhile effort for certain.
--M71--
St. Michael's Buzzers
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. - Sun Tzu
Hug a volunteer - they are the backbone of Junior Hockey!
To be honest the Div I numbers are the only ones I care about.
Even saying that lots are already committed or being offered spots before joining a Junior team.
Finding a Div III school is not that difficult if you want to fork out the bucks.
CIS, well depending on which school & whether you want to continue with hockey lots of Jr As & Bs make those teams. The player already may have planned University & to play hockey there was just the next natural step.
With the OHL, the vast majority were already predetermined. Kid gets drafted, puts in a year or 2 of Tier II to mature & he has that OHL spot.
SMC has had a very good history with the NCAA. Of course their reputaion of success attracts players that are going that route or hope to go that route. Their reputaion of success on the ice & in the classroom has also made that a sure stop for NCAA scouts.
As a for instance. They have previously had, Cogliano, Smith & now Lessio one star attracts lots of attention & therefore should attract some other quality players.
So far this year I do not see much more than Lessio. The kid has 6 of the teams 13 goals. Impressive, especially for a 93.
Wow!!
I am impressed.I haven't heard his name for 25 years. I was a fan.
Oscar would shake uncontrollably as he sat down to play the piano. As soon as he hit the first note the trembling would quit and he would hum and play like no one else could during his era.
He was interviewed on TV and called Katherine Hepburn 'sex on a stick.'
