With the win tonight in Lindsay, the Attack moved into a tie for third with Bowmanville, with a game in hand on the Eagles.
The goaltending has been superb of late, with both Stein and Gallo settling in and getting some key wins.
I heard that in Lindsay tonight, four or five separate times the fans were throwing pucks at Attack players. The PA announcer was announcing for them to stop, which they did temporarily before starting again. But when the team complained to the refs, they were told there was nothing the refs could do...which is bull. They can stop the game until the pucks stop being thrown, and assess a delay of game penalty on the home team for it. This would stop the behaviour. Also, the announcer could do more. Instead of just getting on the mic and saying "Stop throwing pucks", what I would do if this happened in Ajax is say something like "The next puck thrown will result in the game being called, and forfeiture of the game by the Attack. Also, the police will be called if this continues." It doesn't really matter if the threat is true or not...if the threat is there, the behaviour will stop.
No matter how it was handled, it was the classlessness of a few fans that caused the situation. I am sure those few are not indicative of all Muskies fans, and it is unfortunate that it happened at all.
And Sharpie, I do not know what kind of power you think you have, but announcing that the game may be forfeited on your own initiative may not sit well with the referee. I would hope you clear it with him first.
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If players are being put in a hostile or dangerous situation, I will do everything in my power to try to stop it, and deal with any referees I might piss off later.
As I stated on the other thread, Don't put the blame on fans based on hearsay.
I do not condone this action, however, the pucks came from a conglomerate of Ajax fans after a stoppage of play. I do NOT say this is who they came from.
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Re: Attack move into third place
October 10 2009, 9:12 AM
This is ridiculous. Pucks were not thrown at the Ajax players, they were simply thrown onto the ice. At no time were players in a 'hostile or dangerous situation'. As Camron said, they came from an area where a lot of people were cheering for Ajax. Personally I don't think they were Ajax fans, just a few louts being jerks. I suspect they were from Fleming College next door. They also caused trouble at the entrance by trying to barge in without paying. I haven't missed a home game yet and I had never seen this lot before.
Sharpie's comments are an example of someone who wasn't there stirring up a storm by taking a simple fact and blowing it out of all proportion. Sharpie, as an employee of Ajax, you should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm taking what was told to me by people who were at the game, including both fans and players. The incident with pucks being thrown on the ice was NOT the only incident, as on at least two other occasions pucks were being thrown at the players on the bench. Also, I very clearly indicated in the original post that this is not typically representative of Lindsay fans; I was extremely surprised by hearing this.
So whateveritis, let me ask you...taking aside the pucks being thrown at players on the bench, which you obviously did not see; are you condoning the actions of fans throwing things onto the ice? Is that at any time acceptable to you? It is NOT safe to throw pucks onto the ice at any time, and there was no call for it. The fact that you are defending the actions is what is ridiculous and deplorable.
FIRST let me start by saying that I am not looking for a prolonged battle of words with anyone. I am just about to point out that maybe the line was crossed by parties on both sides.
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Sharpie;
"If players are being put in a hostile or dangerous situation, I will do everything in my power to try to stop it, and deal with any referees I might piss off later."
If you are still around to set things straight. The referee can have you removed and order the team to put someone else in the scorekeepers box for the balance of the game.
You could have raised a controversy and put the referee on the spot.
Yes, your intentions are good, but I would not put the referee in that kind of situation without talking it over with him first.
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Camron;
"... the pucks came from a conglomerate of Ajax fans after a stoppage of play. I do NOT say this is who they came from."
That is exactly what you said though, that the pucks came from the Ajax fans.
I kind of got to know you via reading most of your posts and I know what you meant. It is just your wording.
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Whateveritis;
"This is ridiculous. Pucks were not thrown at the Ajax players, they were simply thrown onto the ice. At no time were players in a 'hostile or dangerous situation'. As Camron said, they came from an area where a lot of people were cheering for Ajax. Personally I don't think they were Ajax fans, just a few louts being jerks. I suspect they were from Fleming College next door. They also caused trouble at the entrance by trying to barge in without paying. I haven't missed a home game yet and I had never seen this lot before.
Sharpie's comments are an example of someone who wasn't there stirring up a storm by taking a simple fact and blowing it out of all proportion. Sharpie, as an employee of Ajax, you should be ashamed of yourself."
You do sound as though tossing items onto the ice is no big deal.
Then you claim it came from where the Ajax fans were seated, but add it was probably some "louts being jerks". You even go so far as to suggest it was the Fleming College group.
You are correct that Sharpie should choose his words better, especially when acting upon hear say.
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Sharpie;
"I'm taking what was told to me by people who were at the game, including both fans and players.
The incident with pucks being thrown on the ice was NOT the only incident, as on at least two other occasions pucks were being thrown at the players on the bench.
So whateveritis, let me ask you..."
Sharpie, you clearly admit to hearing things secondhand and then carry on with that secondhand information. That is a no-no. You could have handled that better.
The Ajax coaches, if pucks were actually thrown at the Ajax bench, should have informed the referee, arena staff and Lindsay personal immediately and have the situation dealt with. I suspect someone may have fed you some half truths for their own entertainment.
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this is being blown up way out of proportion. yes a few pucks at random times were lobbed onto the ice and no thats not right. but the first post makes it sound like guys were standing up and firing them at the players.
they were a bunch of teenagers who probably had a few drinks and disrupted the game. were players in danger (including my son) NO. was it annoying and immature YES.
end story. lets not make this a huge issue because of few teenagers wanted to be the centre of attention for 10 minutes.
sharpie i dont know what to say about the person who gave you his or her accounts of what happened. because really nothing happen. it was a minor annoyance and nothing more. could we have done without it? ya. its a long drive home from lindsay. was anyone trying to hurt a player or putting a kid in danger. no.
thank god the internet wasnt around when i was a kid lol.
the real story of last night. a solid game from the attack. i really like how durrant ran the bench last night. quick changes after play resumed to get his matchups and kudos to the kids for playing along. it can be tough for a kid to go out take a faceoff and race to the bench for a 10 second shift. the boys nearly imploded late as lindsay pressed and pressed hard. this led to penalties and a powerplay goal which made reeds late 2nd period goal all the bigger.
The area where the pucks came from is where the visiting fans usually sit but also where the teenagers sit so you know where the problem lies.
To say the refs should stop the game would only delight these troublemakers as it would take the game away from the real fans.
If it continues the only solution is to hire security guards which adds to the expense of running a team but may be necessary.( I dont believe that Lindsay hired security guards last year even for the playoffs when they had 900+ fans.)
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Re: Attack move into third place
October 10 2009, 11:50 AM
Sharpie, have you ever been to Lindsay's arena? Pucks thrown at the players on the benches? That would take a big throw! I think it would have been spotted by everyone. People are telling you stories and you are falling for it. As I said before, as an employee of the Attack, you should be ashamed of yourself for propagating second-hand nonsense.
As I and several others have said, it was a simple case of boisterous yobs being stupid idiots, lobbing a few pucks onto the ice at a couple of stoppages. Do I condone it? No, of course not. But to portray it as anything but some idiots being annoying is ridiculous.
My comments are based on my being stood at the back of the section the troublemakers were sitting in. They weren't there for the hockey, they were there to 'have a bit of fun'. They were cheering the Ajax goals to annoy the local fans (particularly a group of slightly younger kids in the next section, at least half of whom were girls), not because they were Ajax fans. My suspicion of them being from Fleming College was based on their age and the fact one of the Fleming halls of residence is right next door, plus the fact I didn't recognize any of them. Being near the edge of town, the Rec Complex isn't the kind of location you just happen to wander along to, especially in the rain. It is a fair assumption they came from nearby.
I've been to the Lindsay rink and it is like Huntsvilles rink, the fans are on 1 side and the benches on the other, that is quite a toss for pucks being thrown at the bench without fans around the goofs throwing them seeing who they came from.
i agree it would take a good throw to hit the bench in lindsay. i also agree with sharpie that if the problem was happenning repeatedly then the lindsay hockey team should have stepped in. you clearly identify the person(s) that threw the puck and have the arena management ask them to leave. if they refuse you involve the police. i wasn't there but if it happened more than twice something should have been done.if these same people tried to rush the gate to get in then the lindsay game day staff should have been alert to know they could have a problem on their hands.
If this happens on a continuing basis then it is deplorable. Could you not have a volunteer or two watch this area? If someone throws a puck or any other object, ask arena staff to have him removed from the building. If you don't have extra volunteers, let a couple of your responsible regulars in for free to do the job. No body has been hurt so far, but.........
I read your comments on here quite often, and for the most part I agree with your opinions, and enjoy your posts. It's easy to see that you're a stand up guy based on the hard work and dedication you put into the hockey team, and the way you weren't afraid to take a local Dairy Queen to task for their treatment of a group of young children recently.
Be careful who you listen to with regards to games you weren't in attendance at. It's pretty obvious that you weren't there, and judging the comment about pucks being thrown at the bench, it seems you may have neer been to the rink.
I think Wex has a good point, someone has fed you a story, and now you're running with it, and that can make a person look foolish. Wex is also right, I believe, in saying that you can't go ahead and say things that in effect take control of the game. To announce that the "home" team wouuld forfeit a game, or even be assesed a penalty would be crazy because the pucks could be coming from the visitors. If Dawson or Pryde had made that decision, then that's their call, but it's not my place to make that call as an announcer.
To set the record straight from my point of view here is exactly what happened.
During the second intermission I was informed that a bunch of young punks had shown up at the gate during the second period, refusing to pay, and even going to the point of trying to shove their way past our ticket taker, a kind lady in her mid 80's. I got this report from my 13 year old daughter who sells "chuck a pucks" in the lobby. As you can guess, it pissed me off. What upset me even more is that most of them did get in during the second intermission anyway, in the confusion of people coming and going to the concession area.
At the first break in action during the third period, I said, "Tonight the Muskies would like to welcome a "special" group of fans who didn't feel the need to pay admission, and instead tried to push their way past our fine ladies at the gate. They then went on to say that fans would stay away as a result of being treated like that. Truth is we don't need fans like you. Stay home you losers."
There was then a round of applause by some in attendance who I think knew exactly which group I was refering to.
I should say at this point that those comments were totally my own, spur of the moment thoughts, and had nothing to do with the team.
Mid way through the third Dawson came over the booth and told me to make an announcement that the fans need to refrain from throwing objects onto the ice as some pucks had come on during that stoppage. I picked up the mic and said, "Fans, please refrain from throwing objects on to the ice". I had not seen the pucks actually hit the ice surface and due to the configuration of the rink I would have been unable to know who threw them with any degree of accuracy.
With 4 minutes left in the game Dawson again came over and asked if I could make the announcement again and add that the fans would be ejected if caught. I picked up the mic again and said, "This should go without saying but PLEASE do not throw any itmes onto the ice, or you may be ejected....however you're probably the morons who didn't pay to get in anyway so it wouldn't make much difference"
Again, I can't go and put words in the refree's mouth regarding penalties or game stoppages, or I'm opening up a whole can of worms that I may not be able to back up.
It's too bad that this seems to be the focus of the aftergame banter, as although it is a very stupid thing to do, and cannot be tolerated, as Mark stated there was no imminent danger. The talk should be that Ajax played a very effective road game and shut down a team who'd been on a three game winning streak.
Sharpie, please be careful spreading what you heard from someone as if it's gospel. Quite often it's not, and I'm not going to lie, I'm a little pissed at being critisized..."the announcer could do more"....by someone who wasn't there, however I still think you're one of the best posters on here.
You should ask your informant how badly I screwed up the staring lineups....now that was a story!
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Re: Attack move into third place
October 10 2009, 11:05 PM
Current standings as per winning percentage instead of points:
what really bothers me here is the lack of a response from the person who made all these incorrect statements in the first place.
sharpie you owe a few people an apology. most notably the announcer in lindsay who set the record straight about what happened. his announcements his talks with the officials.
myself and the other fathers were there and when i read what you posted i just shook my head and said great theres another thing people can bring up when talking about our team. not our play on the ice not great road win. nope our timekeeper is spouting off again.
your post based solely on heresay from one person pointed alot of fingers and called out lindsay. youre not a parent or a fan youre a staff member on my sons teams. if youre gonna make these kind of posts and its proven youre completely wrong i think an apology is in order.
hell at least come here and admit you were wrong.
im sure youll come on now and say you were away or had a family emergency but that timing is suspect seeing as you spend what appears to be 98% of your waking hours on here.
that being said we can talk about hockey but maybe skip talking about yesterdays game. 7-1 yikes!
Muskie1, I do apologize. It sounds like you handled the situation as well as it could have been handled.
Markeemark, there is no reason to get on my case for my opinion on this. I think you missed the part of my post where I said "...it was the classlessness of a few fans that caused the situation. I am sure those few are not indicative of all Muskies fans, and it is unfortunate that it happened at all." I don't see where you are getting the idea that I am trying to badmouth Lindsay's organization or its fans on here. I think you often read what you want to read when it comes to my posts. Perhaps you have some personal grudge with me that we need to clear the air about before, during, or after some upcoming game. I'm not hard to find. I'll buy the coffee.
The person I first heard of the situation from is a friend of mine who lives in Fenelon Falls and is a longtime Muskies fan. He obviously took a more harsh view of it than some who have posted here. He used the words "deplorable", "disgusting", and "an embarrassment to the Muskies organization" (and yes, that last one is an exact quote, not a paraphrase). I then confirmed the information with three other people, including one player. The player actually thought it was funny, took it as a sign that they were playing well enough to get pucks thrown at them.
The original fan did not remember hearing any P.A. announcements at all. The others remembered hearing the announcer say something vague about not throwing things, but did not remember a second announcement or anything like what muskie1 actually said. Hence my opinion that the announcer could have done more, which was obviously incorrect.
Perhaps in this situation, where things got out of hand, was when these kids pushed their way in illegally, obviously looking to cause trouble, but the police weren't called. Perhaps this could be a lesson that all teams could take from this.
I still stand behind my opinion that throwing things onto the ice at any time during a game is a stupid, dangerous, and unacceptable thing to do, no matter the circumstances. And those that have taken the stance that this was a case of "boys will be boys" are only condoning behaviour that should not at all be condoned or endorsed.
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Re: Attack move into third place
October 14 2009, 7:42 PM
Sadly, reading that, I don't think Sharpie has learned anything from the responses on here.
If you've learned nothing else, Sharpie, it should be "don't start threads that you know nothing about firsthand." Instead you just sound like you are wanting to blame those that gave you the misinformation. Start taking some responsibility, man!
No, I'm not "blaming" anybody. I'm saying that other people didn't see it the same way as you and markeemark, as "harmless fun". People perceive things differently. It happens.
There is a chance that the people who didn't hear the announcements could have slipped into the "Fish Pond", (the bar). There are no speakers in there. I know the announcements were heard loud and clear by most, as I stated earlier, there was a round of applause after the first one.
There is no way though that pucks were thrown at players on the bench though. As someone else said earlier that would be quite a throw, and there would have been fans from both sides I'm certain on anybody who would ever try that.
No offence taken Sharpie, but take what people tell you with a grain of salt sometimes.
Perhaps "Fenelon Falls", should come on and explain his/her viewpoint.....if they have internet up there yet! lol
....and before anybody jumps on me for poking fun at Fenelon, know that my family comes from further up highway 121 at Kinmount.
"Fenelon" is an old guy who I don't think even has internet. I just buy my worms from him when we're at the trailer in F.F. I saw him wearing a Muskies hat, he saw my Fury jacket, and it sparked conversation in the spring.
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Re: Attack move into third place
October 14 2009, 9:15 PM
As I feared, Sharpie has not learned from this experience.
Sharpie, it was NOT harmless fun, it WAS harmless irritation. It was jerks acting like jerks. But it WAS harmless.
When you said they were throwing pucks at the players, you were wrong.
When you said they were throwing pucks at the Ajax bench, you were wrong.
When you said they were Lindsay fans, you were wrong.
When you said the announcer could have done more, you were wrong.
Notice a trend here?
That's what happens when you open your mouth about things you don't personally know anything about. You make yourself look stupid to those who were actually there and saw what really happened. And you've certainly achieved that.
"When you said they were throwing pucks at the players, you were wrong."
No, I wasn't. Where were the pucks landing, near Ajax players or near Lindsay players? Were any Lindsay players hit with pucks? I don't know...but at least one Attack player was hit, whether it was intentional or not, whether the pucks were being thrown hard or not.
"When you said they were throwing pucks at the Ajax bench, you were wrong."
Perhaps, on this, I was given exaggerated information.
"When you said they were Lindsay fans, you were wrong."
Go back and read my original post. Never once did I say that Lindsay fans were throwing pucks. Read it. I specifically said "...a few classless fans..." Not once did I say they were Lindsay fans. However, if they were from the college, then where the hell do you consider them to be from? Where is the college, exactly?
"When you said the announcer could have done more, you were wrong."
Perhaps. But also, could the Muskies' organization as a whole have not done more, like calling the police after these guys pushed an elderly lady to illegally gain access to the game in the first place?
Nice try at twisting my words, though. Great job there.
The young punks did not "shove" their way in illegaly. They did try to, but that's not when they got in. I'll copy what I posted earlier.
refusing to pay, and even going to the point of trying to shove their way past our ticket taker, a kind lady in her mid 80's. I got this report from my 13 year old daughter who sells "chuck a pucks" in the lobby. As you can guess, it pissed me off. What upset me even more is that most of them did get in during the second intermission anyway, in the confusion of people coming and going to the concession area.
